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#51  Edited By Soulstealer

@Static Shock said:

@Enemybird said:

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

I think that's the main issue of anti-LGBT groups. Children's reaction to it.

While I understand that argument, I'd counter by saying that it's a parents job to monitor the things that their children are and are not exposed to. Of course I'm not saying this is an easy task, I realize it to be a never ending battle for parents however it is a battle for parents. If you don't like your children being exposed to something, make sure they aren't. If you feel that it's a worry for other parents, then let them know of your concerns so that they can make a decision as you have made based on their abilities and outlooks as parents. Since when has it been society's role to raise and socialize our children? Since when are the opinions of a few the decisions of us all? Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or even comics at all for that matter if you find them objectionable to your sensibilities.

And that being said, I'd think that yeah gay marriage isn't really high on things that impressionable children are going to take away from comics. You know, especially with all the violence and vigilantism flowing like water. But maybe that's just me.

In the end I think it all comes down to personal responsibility and maybe realizing that you can't push your opinions onto others and respecting them as much as you yourself would like to be respected.

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@SyIar: Its a perversion, would u expose Your kids to pornographic material??? let alone the sexual lust of same sexes indulging in this way? Then allow your children to be exposed to it? Even straights who go too far, or are too sexual in public same for them. Sex should be privet in your bedrooms. And Disney is Pro gay, so what can you expect from a Faction such as them, Proclaiming their acts.

Pornographic material? ITS MARRIAGE YOU ASS. How are two people in love getting married pornographic?

Considering I don't remember a particularly sexually charged atmosphere at my sister's wedding nor my bestfriend's, I'm going to say that I doubt the spouses being of the same gender changes things very much, especially enough for the word pornographic to apply by any stretch of the term.

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#52  Edited By Static Shock

@Soulstealer: I agree with what you're saying. To be fair, people that oppose LGBTs don't realize (or are ignorant to) the significance of a lot of what you said.

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#53  Edited By Raiiyn

@Enemybird: How is what I said at all disrespectful? I was asking an honest question. What would you do? I am curious. You are religious and claim to be a family man. Christians are against homosexuality. So what would you do if your child was gay? Would you accept them or tell them that they were an abomination? I have seen religious people reject their children for this type thing, so I am genuinely wondering what you would do. Or are you simply not wanting to see that as a possibility so you refuse to answer the question?

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#54  Edited By Soulstealer

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@Soulstealer: I agree with what you're saying. To be fair, people that oppose LGBTs don't realize (or are ignorant to) the significance of a lot of what you said.

I think you have a point in some cases, but the thing is a lot of these debates spark a sort of "us" vs "them" mentality which I find completely ludicrous considering that's not how the world works as the two extremes of an argument never cover the people in the middle. And to me it seems more people are in the middle than anywhere else usually in American culture. As for the extremes, you don't have to like them, but in a country that values free speech it is our jobs to protect their rights as such as we'd like to see our rights protected.

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#55  Edited By Static Shock

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I think you have a point in some cases, but the thing is a lot of these debates spark a sort of "us" vs "them" mentality which I find completely ludicrous considering that's not how the world works as the two extremes of an argument never cover the people in the middle. And to me it seems more people are in the middle than anywhere else usually in American culture. As for the extremes, you don't have to like them, but in a country that values free speech it is our jobs to protect their rights as such as we'd like to see our rights protected.

Understandable. It's just that the hate, although meaningless, gets old.

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#56  Edited By Soulstealer

@Static Shock said:

@Soulstealer said:

I think you have a point in some cases, but the thing is a lot of these debates spark a sort of "us" vs "them" mentality which I find completely ludicrous considering that's not how the world works as the two extremes of an argument never cover the people in the middle. And to me it seems more people are in the middle than anywhere else usually in American culture. As for the extremes, you don't have to like them, but in a country that values free speech it is our jobs to protect their rights as such as we'd like to see our rights protected.

Understandable. It's just that the hate, although meaningless, gets old.

Agreed.

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#57  Edited By Enemybird

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@Enemybird: How is what I said at all disrespectful? I was asking an honest question. What would you do? I am curious. You are religious and claim to be a family man. Christians are against homosexuality. So what would you do if your child was gay? Would you accept them or tell them that they were an abomination? I have seen religious people reject their children for this type thing, so I am genuinely wondering what you would do. Or are you simply not wanting to see that as a possibility so you refuse to answer the question?

Lets see, You asked me a question... answered the question. You prediction of my possible actions after having a gay child were based on negative Christian stereotypes. I didn't mention anything about my personal religion in this thread. Your being obnoxious & sarcastic not genuine and knowledge seeking. For what its worth I thought you were better than that.

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#58  Edited By SyIar

@Soulstealer said:

@Static Shock said:

@Enemybird said:

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

I think that's the main issue of anti-LGBT groups. Children's reaction to it.

While I understand that argument, I'd counter by saying that it's a parents job to monitor the things that their children are and are not exposed to. Of course I'm not saying this is an easy task, I realize it to be a never ending battle for parents however it is a battle for parents. If you don't like your children being exposed to something, make sure they aren't. If you feel that it's a worry for other parents, then let them know of your concerns so that they can make a decision as you have made based on their abilities and outlooks as parents. Since when has it been society's role to raise and socialize our children? Since when are the opinions of a few the decisions of us all? Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or even comics at all for that matter if you find them objectionable to your sensibilities.

And that being said, I'd think that yeah gay marriage isn't really high on things that impressionable children are going to take away from comics. You know, especially with all the violence and vigilantism flowing like water. But maybe that's just me.

In the end I think it all comes down to personal responsibility and maybe realizing that you can't push your opinions onto others and respecting them as much as you yourself would like to be respected.

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@SyIar: Its a perversion, would u expose Your kids to pornographic material??? let alone the sexual lust of same sexes indulging in this way? Then allow your children to be exposed to it? Even straights who go too far, or are too sexual in public same for them. Sex should be privet in your bedrooms. And Disney is Pro gay, so what can you expect from a Faction such as them, Proclaiming their acts.

Pornographic material? ITS MARRIAGE YOU ASS. How are two people in love getting married pornographic?

Considering I don't remember a particularly sexually charged atmosphere at my sister's wedding nor my bestfriend's, I'm going to say that I doubt the spouses being of the same gender changes things very much, especially enough for the word pornographic to apply by any stretch of the term.

Who would have thought?!! GAYS MIGHT ... MIGHT JUST BE PEOPLE.

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#59  Edited By Soulstealer

@SyIar said:

@Soulstealer said:

@Static Shock said:

@Enemybird said:

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

I think that's the main issue of anti-LGBT groups. Children's reaction to it.

While I understand that argument, I'd counter by saying that it's a parents job to monitor the things that their children are and are not exposed to. Of course I'm not saying this is an easy task, I realize it to be a never ending battle for parents however it is a battle for parents. If you don't like your children being exposed to something, make sure they aren't. If you feel that it's a worry for other parents, then let them know of your concerns so that they can make a decision as you have made based on their abilities and outlooks as parents. Since when has it been society's role to raise and socialize our children? Since when are the opinions of a few the decisions of us all? Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or even comics at all for that matter if you find them objectionable to your sensibilities.

And that being said, I'd think that yeah gay marriage isn't really high on things that impressionable children are going to take away from comics. You know, especially with all the violence and vigilantism flowing like water. But maybe that's just me.

In the end I think it all comes down to personal responsibility and maybe realizing that you can't push your opinions onto others and respecting them as much as you yourself would like to be respected.

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@Wonderbrezzy said:

@SyIar: Its a perversion, would u expose Your kids to pornographic material??? let alone the sexual lust of same sexes indulging in this way? Then allow your children to be exposed to it? Even straights who go too far, or are too sexual in public same for them. Sex should be privet in your bedrooms. And Disney is Pro gay, so what can you expect from a Faction such as them, Proclaiming their acts.

Pornographic material? ITS MARRIAGE YOU ASS. How are two people in love getting married pornographic?

Considering I don't remember a particularly sexually charged atmosphere at my sister's wedding nor my bestfriend's, I'm going to say that I doubt the spouses being of the same gender changes things very much, especially enough for the word pornographic to apply by any stretch of the term.

Who would have thought?!! GAYS MIGHT ... MIGHT JUST BE PEOPLE.

What are people in the end? Are we not all flawed and broken, working to the best of our abilities in a world that we find both angry and hate filled while being simultaneously callous and apathetic?

Jokes aside though, my point wasn't that things should be different, but rather that it's stupid to think that they would be.

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#60  Edited By Enemybird

@Soulstealer: The world is a bigger place than you make it out to be... things are different elsewhere

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#61  Edited By Soulstealer

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@Soulstealer: The world is a bigger place than you make it out to be... things are different elsewhere

Maybe so. But I'm not saying the world ends with my experiences, quite the opposite exactly seeing as I used my cultural background in my earlier statement Of course the thing about the world however is that we can dress it up however we like, but the human condition tends to change very little be it through culture or even ages for that matter. If it didn't we'd have less use for things such as art, storytelling, music, or cultural pursuits at all.

That's not to say that these things match up or are even recognizable between cultures but that's to say that we're hardly aliens staring at each other across a vast gulf of stars. We have similar needs and wants even if we have drastically different ways of achieving them. And even if our needs be different it's unlikely that our culture doesn't have a cultural equivalent/touchstone.

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#62  Edited By Enemybird

@Soulstealer said:

@Enemybird said:

@Soulstealer: The world is a bigger place than you make it out to be... things are different elsewhere

Maybe so. But I'm not saying the world ends with my experiences, quite the opposite exactly seeing as I used my cultural background in my earlier statement Of course the thing about the world however is that we can dress it up however we like, but the human condition tends to change very little be it through culture or even ages for that matter. If it didn't we'd have less use for things such as art, storytelling, music, or cultural pursuits at all.

That's not to say that these things match up or are even recognizable between cultures but that's to say that we're hardly aliens staring at each other across a vast gulf of stars. We have similar needs and wants even if we have drastically different ways of achieving them. And even if our needs be different it's unlikely that our culture doesn't have a cultural equivalent/touchstone.

Makes sense now that you've explained it...

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#63  Edited By NlGHTCRAWLER

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@SyIar: Its a perversion, would u expose Your kids to pornographic material??? let alone the sexual lust of same sexes indulging in this way? Then allow your children to be exposed to it? Even straights who go too far, or are too sexual in public same for them. Sex should be privet in your bedrooms. And Disney is Pro gay, so what can you expect from a Faction such as them, Proclaiming their acts.

Aren't you that one chick that posted a picture of yourself in a bikini in the REAL LIFE PICTS THREAD on this site which coincidentally happens to be child friendly? Oh how awkward this must be for you....

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#64  Edited By kidchipotle

I'm all for equal rights and equal everything for humans of all kinds such as race and gender, but it's women like THIS that give all other women in the world a really bad name. I say we, quite literally, put these "one million moms'" and put them on an island because its people like this that make this planet such a sh!tty place and the reason why the aliens out there laugh at us from their big telescopes. FOOLS.

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#65  Edited By EdwardWindsor

I think there organisation lacks credibility hell they even lie on how many of them are members. Everything they say should be treated as a probable lie or just ignored.

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I'm not going to get into the argument per se. I don't really care which way your wind blows and I couldn't care less; I won't treat you any differently than usual. I'm not a parent and so my opinion on whether kids should be exposed to homosexuality or not doesn't hold much weight, so I find it rather pointless to comment from a parent's perspective.

But I will say this: parents should take responsibility. They should not blame the comic book companies - they should blame themselves. It's their job to look at what their kids are reading or watching and take an active role if censoring them means so much. Personally, I'm tired of lazy parents ignoring things and then crying when their kids are subjected to material they would prefer that they weren't. That's why animation and comics are still looked down on as kiddie material; because parents are too lazy to censor it themselves, and so the studios mostly make a blanket "rule" that animation / comics can't be too violent or sexual (never mind the RATING. Who looks at those?). Thankfully, comics have changed a great deal. But this occurrence shows that the mindset involving comics needs to change. Maybe eventually animation can grow, too.

Sorry if I went a bit off topic in the end. But there, that's my opinion.

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#67  Edited By Enemybird

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Wonderbrezzy said:

@SyIar: Its a perversion, would u expose Your kids to pornographic material??? let alone the sexual lust of same sexes indulging in this way? Then allow your children to be exposed to it? Even straights who go too far, or are too sexual in public same for them. Sex should be privet in your bedrooms. And Disney is Pro gay, so what can you expect from a Faction such as them, Proclaiming their acts.

Aren't you that one chick that posted a picture of yourself in a bikini in the REAL LIFE PICTS THREAD on this site which coincidentally happens to be child friendly? Oh how awkward this must be for you....

she was lol

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#68  Edited By Raiiyn

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird: How is what I said at all disrespectful? I was asking an honest question. What would you do? I am curious. You are religious and claim to be a family man. Christians are against homosexuality. So what would you do if your child was gay? Would you accept them or tell them that they were an abomination? I have seen religious people reject their children for this type thing, so I am genuinely wondering what you would do. Or are you simply not wanting to see that as a possibility so you refuse to answer the question?

Lets see, You asked me a question... answered the question. You prediction of my possible actions after having a gay child were based on negative Christian stereotypes. I didn't mention anything about my personal religion in this thread. Your being obnoxious & sarcastic not genuine and knowledge seeking. For what its worth I thought you were better than that.

My question wasn't meant to be sarcastic. I was raised Roman Catholic and I know what the church thinks of homosexuals. I was simply asking if you would follow the teachings of the church. I was not answering for you. I was asking you. I don't why you are being so defensive and are still refusing to answer the question. Is the reason you are unable to reply that you actually do fall into those stereotypes? And no you did not mention it in this thread but you have in others and you also have mentioned in the religion thread that you are Christian and those are the reasons I was curious to your response. I am sorry if my question opened doors for you that you are unwilling to explore but it was a valid and genuine question. I thought you were capable of understanding that but I guess I was wrong.

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#69  Edited By Enemybird

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird: How is what I said at all disrespectful? I was asking an honest question. What would you do? I am curious. You are religious and claim to be a family man. Christians are against homosexuality. So what would you do if your child was gay? Would you accept them or tell them that they were an abomination? I have seen religious people reject their children for this type thing, so I am genuinely wondering what you would do. Or are you simply not wanting to see that as a possibility so you refuse to answer the question?

Lets see, You asked me a question... answered the question. You prediction of my possible actions after having a gay child were based on negative Christian stereotypes. I didn't mention anything about my personal religion in this thread. Your being obnoxious & sarcastic not genuine and knowledge seeking. For what its worth I thought you were better than that.

My question wasn't meant to be sarcastic. I was raised Roman Catholic and I know what the church thinks of homosexuals. I was simply asking if you would follow the teachings of the church. I was not answering for you. I was asking you. I don't why you are being so defensive and are still refusing to answer the question. Is the reason you are unable to reply that you actually do fall into those stereotypes? And no you did not mention it in this thread but you have in others and you also have mentioned in the religion thread that you are Christian and those are the reasons I was curious to your response. I am sorry if my question opened doors for you that you are unwilling to explore but it was a valid and genuine question. I thought you were capable of understanding that but I guess I was wrong.

I literally don't have the energy for this...

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We are in the arc of an awareness revolution. Something I found funny and ironic was that a few weeks ago I observed a person commenting that they despised the current generation for being so ignorant, when in truth the current generation is one of the first generations to actually be aware of how ignorant we are. That's not something that we should brag about of course, but you can't fix a problem or address unless you know what it is. One of the more interesting consequences of being in not only a technology revolution but an awareness revolution is that the rate of the 'world' outpaces the minds of many of its inhabitants. This is interesting as far as raising children, as for many hundreds of years, the most accessible, and intuitive and suggested way of teaching and raising kids was to raise them as you were raised. That is a reliable way sure, but its contingent on the idea that your children are being raised n the same world you raised, and that you are both being raised in the same world your parents were. Except the world isn't static, and survival of the fittest was never about survival of the strongest, but survival of the most adaptable. As in the faster you recognize change and adapt to it the better for you. Problem with most humans is that we have incredibly poor senses, and we also are designed to prioritize feeling than knowing, and we can afford to as well. Victims of our own collective success. 
 
Or to put in simpler terms, children are designed to be naive, gullible and dependent on adults, and they are going to be curious and confused naturally. Especially if the adults are confused, ignorant and or don't actually know what they are talking about. Parents who thought physical bullying was the only type of bullying are being devastated by cases and incidents of cyber bullying. This is a case where technology moved to fast, and this applies with society. Fear of black people, fear of the empowered woman, fear of other ethnic races, fear of homosexuality versus knowledge and acceptance of those things. How to avoid confusing children? Don't be ignorant. Let your children know its okay to ask questions. Teach them to ask questions. Teach them to know its okay not knowing the answers. Don't feed them answers that you yourself are emotionally invested in, opposed to intellectually reasoned. Exposing children to diversity in youth makes them less bigoted and ignorant. Its natural and automatic. Its a subconscious thing. Exposure to homosexuals won't make them any more confused than what naturally occurs. Studies generally suggest that highest rates of STDs and illegal teen abortions occur in places that only teach abstinence. What will make children confused are parents who are backward and who indulge in regressive attitudes and practices like trying to control and deny their child's exposure and experiences instead of actually being proactive enough to not be ignorant  and foster a safe environment for a child so when they are confused and have questions, they can ask their parent and be given intelligent answers instead of emotional religious answers.      
 
The alternative is to blind, deafen and lock your kid up in a room. They see a gay person, now they might want to be gay or worse!! Confused. They see a black person and they might want to be black, or worse! A gansta or a rapper! They see a woman and they might want to have life threatening gender reassignment surgery!! These poor poor confused children! They might see dogs having sex and then try to fornicate a dog shaped toaster! Look that man gave that lady a front hug? Not a Christian Side Hug or Air Hug, a body contact front hug!! PORNOGRAPHY!!!!! Think of the children!!!!! Also side note, why is it many of the ones that are the first to shout "Think of The Children" the ones who don't seem to do much thinking themselves? Casual observation.    
 
One Million Mums, I admire that you want to do right by your children. Scratch that, thats your natural responsibility. You want to give your 
 
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Millions and

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MILLIONS

of children a good start, then educate and empower yourselves so you can educate, empower and address your children on the many natural complexities of the modern world and society you will want them to be an active, intelligent, ethical and conscientious member of. Don't try and keep them ignorant because your too mentally or emotionally frail to understand or respect your fellow man, or too enslaved to some politicians and some religious leaders who have agendas to exploit your fear of the unknown to give them power and money.  
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#71  Edited By Saren

40,000 Moms just isn't as catchy.

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#72  Edited By lykopis

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Wonderbrezzy said:

@SyIar: Its a perversion, would u expose Your kids to pornographic material??? let alone the sexual lust of same sexes indulging in this way? Then allow your children to be exposed to it? Even straights who go too far, or are too sexual in public same for them. Sex should be privet in your bedrooms. And Disney is Pro gay, so what can you expect from a Faction such as them, Proclaiming their acts.

Aren't you that one chick that posted a picture of yourself in a bikini in the REAL LIFE PICTS THREAD on this site which coincidentally happens to be child friendly? Oh how awkward this must be for you....

she was lol

what the....

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#73  Edited By Raiiyn

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird: How is what I said at all disrespectful? I was asking an honest question. What would you do? I am curious. You are religious and claim to be a family man. Christians are against homosexuality. So what would you do if your child was gay? Would you accept them or tell them that they were an abomination? I have seen religious people reject their children for this type thing, so I am genuinely wondering what you would do. Or are you simply not wanting to see that as a possibility so you refuse to answer the question?

Lets see, You asked me a question... answered the question. You prediction of my possible actions after having a gay child were based on negative Christian stereotypes. I didn't mention anything about my personal religion in this thread. Your being obnoxious & sarcastic not genuine and knowledge seeking. For what its worth I thought you were better than that.

My question wasn't meant to be sarcastic. I was raised Roman Catholic and I know what the church thinks of homosexuals. I was simply asking if you would follow the teachings of the church. I was not answering for you. I was asking you. I don't why you are being so defensive and are still refusing to answer the question. Is the reason you are unable to reply that you actually do fall into those stereotypes? And no you did not mention it in this thread but you have in others and you also have mentioned in the religion thread that you are Christian and those are the reasons I was curious to your response. I am sorry if my question opened doors for you that you are unwilling to explore but it was a valid and genuine question. I thought you were capable of understanding that but I guess I was wrong.

I literally don't have the energy for this...

*le sigh* you're obvious fear to reply is quite tiresome. I have re-iterated time and time again that I was asking you a question. It was not stereotypical, it was honest. Hardcore Christians actually do disown their children. I've seen it. Heck, my own uncle stayed married for 40 years to avoid being disowned by his parents. Your prerogative to avoid the question with false accusations and derogatory comments say enough on your behalf.

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#74  Edited By KainScion

'as a christian, _INSERT HERE ANYTHING YOU WANT AND IT WILL ALL BE GOOD AND RIGHT'_

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#75  Edited By Raiiyn

@lykopis said:

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@Wonderbrezzy said:

@SyIar: Its a perversion, would u expose Your kids to pornographic material??? let alone the sexual lust of same sexes indulging in this way? Then allow your children to be exposed to it? Even straights who go too far, or are too sexual in public same for them. Sex should be privet in your bedrooms. And Disney is Pro gay, so what can you expect from a Faction such as them, Proclaiming their acts.

Aren't you that one chick that posted a picture of yourself in a bikini in the REAL LIFE PICTS THREAD on this site which coincidentally happens to be child friendly? Oh how awkward this must be for you....

she was lol

what the....

It's ok.. eventually the image fades from your mind's eye.

**pats back**

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#76  Edited By TDK_1997

1 million moms win.

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#77  Edited By Enemybird

@Raiiyn: I'll answer your question... No I wouldn't tell my child anything of the sort... I think God is wrong for discrimination against Gay people. I despise discrimination I support equal rights for all people My child would be loved and supported by me regardless if they are gay or not. There is just a certain age kids have to be to understand what being Gay is exactly. I dont think its right to introduce the concept before they are too mature to understand. Is that fair?

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#78  Edited By Mercy_

Sighhhhh

Not all Christians are against homosexuality. Tired of seeing that generalization.

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Even since the announcement of Northstar's marriage I've just been waiting for One Million Idiots to comment and I was not disappointed. Their ramblings always give me a great laugh.

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@Mercy_ said:

Sighhhhh Not all Christians are against homosexuality. Tired of seeing that generalization.

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#81  Edited By utotheg38

Most are though, Let's keep this sh!t real.

This aint a Disney channel movie now. XD

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#82  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt
@Mercy_ said:
Sighhhhh Not all Christians are against homosexuality. Tired of seeing that generalization.
Thank you. 
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#83  Edited By Primmaster64
@Enemybird said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@Enemybird said:

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

"OMG, I WANNA MARRY A MAN JUST LIKE THESE OBSCURE X-MEN CHARACTERS MARRIED DADDY!"

Please.

"Primary socialization for a child is very important because it sets the ground work for all future socialization. Primary Socialization occurs when a child learns the attitudes, values, and actions appropriate to individuals as members of a particular culture. It is mainly influenced by the immediate family and friends. For example if a child saw his/her mother expressing a discriminatory opinion about a minority group, then that child may think this behavior is acceptable and could continue to have this opinion about minority groups." - Wikipedia. My point is children are impressionable... the moms know it, I know it. We aren't t discriminating against Gay people. They just dont want to groom their child into something they are not.

Then keep the T.V,Magazines, articles, poster, ect away from them!
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#84  Edited By Enosisik

There's a lot more sex than there needs to be in comics today anyway. The 616 dies a good job of covering up the important areas but the first Ultimates I opened up had a sex tape of Stark and a team mate spread all over the wide screen tv in the scene. That specific one was showing a little more than it probably needed to in order to express the writers idea.

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#85  Edited By lykopis

@Enosisik: Not just that but a lot more out of the norm stories in regards to relationships (Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver)...

Christianity is explicit in its condemnation of homosexuality. It's great to know so many people of that faith don't agree with it - I see more that don't agree with these close-minded bigots than do. This applies also to Muslim and Judea based religions - at the very least, there seems to be a more moderate and contemporary translation of the texts as each generation moves forward which is a good thing.

People are people. Children knowing same sex marriage is out there does no harm to them - its not contagious nor is it comparable to a vice you would want to shield them from. Claiming its to protect them is ridiculous and ignorant. Do the research and get informed -- learning is fun.

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#86  Edited By TheGreyOutcastX

@Mercy_ said:

SighhhhhNot all Christians are against homosexuality. Tired of seeing that generalization.

I can say i'm a Catholic and I am not against homosexuality. Hell. I was always taught God is all about Love and if that's the case, why would God be against two dudes or dudettes loving each other?

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#87  Edited By Enosisik

I'm not really religious and have no problem with homosexuals and don't see it as a problem in comics at all. Homosexuality is part of this world , like it or not and I think the comics could be beneficial to people who are on either side of the issue. (if shown on proper context) I think it could enhance understanding and acceptance and do a lot of good. (It's not going to turn people gay, lol). I don't even have a problem with the scarlet witch/quicksilver relationship (as far as artistic expression goes) BUT , when you know a larg part of your market is young children then it is completly unnecessary and out of place. It's hard to put a morally and (artistic) standard on comics where murder and even rape are so often acted out by not only the villain but at times heroes. This group is not afraid that their children will become killers after reading a book with The Punisher (a hero) who's brutally murdering people on each page but if that book has two men kissing their kids might become gay!? As with anything, if you don't like it... Don't buy it or look at it! It's funny how these same people love to throw around the 'it's a choice' line, yet they go around complaining simple things that they themselves have a choice to avoid..

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#88  Edited By Raiiyn

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn: I'll answer your question... No I wouldn't tell my child anything of the sort... I think God is wrong for discrimination against Gay people. I despise discrimination I support equal rights for all people My child would be loved and supported by me regardless if they are gay or not. There is just a certain age kids have to be to understand what being Gay is exactly. I dont think its right to introduce the concept before they are too mature to understand. Is that fair?

Thank you for finally answering the question. It's good to know that you wouldn't make your child feel like they were unwanted and bad people. This comment

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

just made me want to clarify that. Oh, and this one too

"Primary socialization for a child is very important because it sets the ground work for all future socialization. Primary Socialization occurs when a child learns the attitudes, values, and actions appropriate to individuals as members of a particular culture. It is mainly influenced by the immediate family and friends. For example if a child saw his/her mother expressing a discriminatory opinion about a minority group, then that child may think this behavior is acceptable and could continue to have this opinion about minority groups." - Wikipedia. My point is children are impressionable... the moms know it, I know it. We aren't t discriminating against Gay people. They just dont want to groom their child into something they are not.

What would you say is fair age for learning what homosexuality is? And.. Children.. They learn start learning about their bodies and sex in school around the age of 8 where I come from. I remember learning all about it "Family Life" class and that was in a Catholic Elementary School.

Would you say that sex education is a bad thing because it can possibly influence and/or confuse children?

I see nothing wrong with a gay marriage in a comic book. In fact, I wouldn't want my child to be ignorant so I'd prefer they knew what homosexuality is. Especially so that if they do have homosexual feelings all the pictures with the opposite sexes kissing and what not don't confuse them and make them feel like its wrong. Children may be impressionable but there are parts of you that are simply you and you are unable to change that. No matter how much I want green or blue eyes and wear contacts or stare at blue and green things, my eyes will never be blue or green. They are brown. The same thing goes for sexual orientation. People do not "turn" gay because they see gay people or know what being gay is. They ARE gay. And no amount of comic book weddings can change that fact.

@lykopis said:

@Enosisik: Not just that but a lot more out of the norm stories in regards to relationships (Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver)...

Christianity is explicit in its condemnation of homosexuality. It's great to know so many people of that faith don't agree with it - I see more that don't agree with these close-minded bigots than do. This applies also to Muslim and Judea based religions - at the very least, there seems to be a more moderate and contemporary translation of the texts as each generation moves forward which is a good thing.

People are people. Children knowing same sex marriage is out there does no harm to them - its not contagious nor is it comparable to a vice you would want to shield them from. Claiming its to protect them is ridiculous and ignorant. Do the research and get informed -- learning is fun.

It's definitely a great thing to see so many open-minded people. Even just over the last 5 years I can say that I've seen a difference. It's not as bad as when I was in high school, that's for sure.

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#89  Edited By Enemybird

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn: I'll answer your question... No I wouldn't tell my child anything of the sort... I think God is wrong for discrimination against Gay people. I despise discrimination I support equal rights for all people My child would be loved and supported by me regardless if they are gay or not. There is just a certain age kids have to be to understand what being Gay is exactly. I dont think its right to introduce the concept before they are too mature to understand. Is that fair?

Thank you for finally answering the question. It's good to know that you wouldn't make your child feel like they were unwanted and bad people. This comment

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

just made me want to clarify that. Oh, and this one too

"Primary socialization for a child is very important because it sets the ground work for all future socialization. Primary Socialization occurs when a child learns the attitudes, values, and actions appropriate to individuals as members of a particular culture. It is mainly influenced by the immediate family and friends. For example if a child saw his/her mother expressing a discriminatory opinion about a minority group, then that child may think this behavior is acceptable and could continue to have this opinion about minority groups." - Wikipedia. My point is children are impressionable... the moms know it, I know it. We aren't t discriminating against Gay people. They just dont want to groom their child into something they are not.

What would you say is fair age for learning what homosexuality is? And.. Children.. They learn start learning about their bodies and sex in school around the age of 8 where I come from. I remember learning all about it "Family Life" class and that was in a Catholic Elementary School.

Would you say that sex education is a bad thing because it can possibly influence and/or confuse children?

I see nothing wrong with a gay marriage in a comic book. In fact, I wouldn't want my child to be ignorant so I'd prefer they knew what homosexuality is. Especially so that if they do have homosexual feelings all the pictures with the opposite sexes kissing and what not don't confuse them and make them feel like its wrong. Children may be impressionable but there are parts of you that are simply you and you are unable to change that. No matter how much I want green or blue eyes and wear contacts or stare at blue and green things, my eyes will never be blue or green. They are brown. The same thing goes for sexual orientation. People do not "turn" gay because they see gay people or know what being gay is. They ARE gay. And no amount of comic book weddings can change that fact.

That's a good question and i think around 8 to 11 would be ok . I think girls should be taught before boys seeing that girls typically go through puberty before boys do. I think kids are a lot smarter than parents and elders give them credit for. I think if you tech a child what homosexuality is everything would be just fine kids would get it. I'm all for equal rights for everyone but when it comes to sexuality & kids you just have to be careful. I dont think kids would be confused in a sex-education class I remember when I first took the class the teacher freaked me out at first but the more i went the more i understood.

I agree kids wont change their sexuality but X-men isn't the way i'd want my child to find out about it... That's just my opinon.

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#90  Edited By Raiiyn

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn: I'll answer your question... No I wouldn't tell my child anything of the sort... I think God is wrong for discrimination against Gay people. I despise discrimination I support equal rights for all people My child would be loved and supported by me regardless if they are gay or not. There is just a certain age kids have to be to understand what being Gay is exactly. I dont think its right to introduce the concept before they are too mature to understand. Is that fair?

Thank you for finally answering the question. It's good to know that you wouldn't make your child feel like they were unwanted and bad people. This comment

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

just made me want to clarify that. Oh, and this one too

"Primary socialization for a child is very important because it sets the ground work for all future socialization. Primary Socialization occurs when a child learns the attitudes, values, and actions appropriate to individuals as members of a particular culture. It is mainly influenced by the immediate family and friends. For example if a child saw his/her mother expressing a discriminatory opinion about a minority group, then that child may think this behavior is acceptable and could continue to have this opinion about minority groups." - Wikipedia. My point is children are impressionable... the moms know it, I know it. We aren't t discriminating against Gay people. They just dont want to groom their child into something they are not.

What would you say is fair age for learning what homosexuality is? And.. Children.. They learn start learning about their bodies and sex in school around the age of 8 where I come from. I remember learning all about it "Family Life" class and that was in a Catholic Elementary School.

Would you say that sex education is a bad thing because it can possibly influence and/or confuse children?

I see nothing wrong with a gay marriage in a comic book. In fact, I wouldn't want my child to be ignorant so I'd prefer they knew what homosexuality is. Especially so that if they do have homosexual feelings all the pictures with the opposite sexes kissing and what not don't confuse them and make them feel like its wrong. Children may be impressionable but there are parts of you that are simply you and you are unable to change that. No matter how much I want green or blue eyes and wear contacts or stare at blue and green things, my eyes will never be blue or green. They are brown. The same thing goes for sexual orientation. People do not "turn" gay because they see gay people or know what being gay is. They ARE gay. And no amount of comic book weddings can change that fact.

That's a good question and i think around 8 to 11 would be ok . I think girls should be taught before boys seeing that girls typically go through puberty before boys do. I think kids are a lot smarter than parents and elders give them credit for. I think if you tech a child what homosexuality is everything would be just fine kids would get it. I'm all for equal rights for everyone but when it comes to sexuality & kids you just have to be careful. I dont think kids would be confused in a sex-education class I remember when I first took the class the teacher freaked me out at first but the more i went the more i understood.

I agree kids wont change their sexuality but X-men isn't the way i'd want my child to find out about it... That's just my opinon.

And I can understand why you think that it being presented by a wedding might not be the ideal way for a child to learn about homosexuality although I think if there are 7 yr olds reading the x-men comics, there are worse things being presented. It comes down to the parents having a hand in what their children are exposed to. The world should not censor itself because parents are too lazy to say "sorry hunny, that's a grown up book, why don't we get you a Tin-tin or Marvel Adventures comic instead?"

The entire "plight" of one million moms just goes to show how uninvolved many parents are in their children's lives.

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#91  Edited By Gambit1024

So... There completely ok with the role models they find in the Kardashians... but Northstar's the devil?

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#92  Edited By Enemybird

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn said:

@Enemybird said:

@Raiiyn: I'll answer your question... No I wouldn't tell my child anything of the sort... I think God is wrong for discrimination against Gay people. I despise discrimination I support equal rights for all people My child would be loved and supported by me regardless if they are gay or not. There is just a certain age kids have to be to understand what being Gay is exactly. I dont think its right to introduce the concept before they are too mature to understand. Is that fair?

Thank you for finally answering the question. It's good to know that you wouldn't make your child feel like they were unwanted and bad people. This comment

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

just made me want to clarify that. Oh, and this one too

"Primary socialization for a child is very important because it sets the ground work for all future socialization. Primary Socialization occurs when a child learns the attitudes, values, and actions appropriate to individuals as members of a particular culture. It is mainly influenced by the immediate family and friends. For example if a child saw his/her mother expressing a discriminatory opinion about a minority group, then that child may think this behavior is acceptable and could continue to have this opinion about minority groups." - Wikipedia. My point is children are impressionable... the moms know it, I know it. We aren't t discriminating against Gay people. They just dont want to groom their child into something they are not.

What would you say is fair age for learning what homosexuality is? And.. Children.. They learn start learning about their bodies and sex in school around the age of 8 where I come from. I remember learning all about it "Family Life" class and that was in a Catholic Elementary School.

Would you say that sex education is a bad thing because it can possibly influence and/or confuse children?

I see nothing wrong with a gay marriage in a comic book. In fact, I wouldn't want my child to be ignorant so I'd prefer they knew what homosexuality is. Especially so that if they do have homosexual feelings all the pictures with the opposite sexes kissing and what not don't confuse them and make them feel like its wrong. Children may be impressionable but there are parts of you that are simply you and you are unable to change that. No matter how much I want green or blue eyes and wear contacts or stare at blue and green things, my eyes will never be blue or green. They are brown. The same thing goes for sexual orientation. People do not "turn" gay because they see gay people or know what being gay is. They ARE gay. And no amount of comic book weddings can change that fact.

That's a good question and i think around 8 to 11 would be ok . I think girls should be taught before boys seeing that girls typically go through puberty before boys do. I think kids are a lot smarter than parents and elders give them credit for. I think if you tech a child what homosexuality is everything would be just fine kids would get it. I'm all for equal rights for everyone but when it comes to sexuality & kids you just have to be careful. I dont think kids would be confused in a sex-education class I remember when I first took the class the teacher freaked me out at first but the more i went the more i understood.

I agree kids wont change their sexuality but X-men isn't the way i'd want my child to find out about it... That's just my opinon.

And I can understand why you think that it being presented by a wedding might not be the ideal way for a child to learn about homosexuality although I think if there are 7 yr olds reading the x-men comics, there are worse things being presented. It comes down to the parents having a hand in what their children are exposed to. The world should not censor itself because parents are too lazy to say "sorry hunny, that's a grown up book, why don't we get you a Tin-tin or Marvel Adventures comic instead?"

The entire "plight" of one million moms just goes to show how uninvolved many parents are in their children's lives.

That defiantly true... Raiiyn may i ask were your from?

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#93  Edited By Enosisik

I'm sure these woman arn't letting their kids watch the kardashians either. I think they are taking about an under 13 age group anyway.

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#94  Edited By Enosisik

"I agree kids wont change their sexuality but X-men isn't the way i'd want my child to find out about it... That's just my opinion"____ I agree with that in point but all these parents had to do was monitor what their kids see and flip through the book before they buy it. It all goes back to the fact that 'you don't have to buy the book if you don't like what's in it.... Don't try to take it away from the rest of the people who like the story or don't mind it. I personally feel that every sex,race and creed deserves to have a hero represent them in comics. Perhaps an age restriction would be a good idea but I strongly dislike the idea of eliminating a character based on sexual preference as much as I would if they were to ask to eliminate a specific race or religion from the books.

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#95  Edited By Raiiyn

@Enemybird: I was born in Toronto but currently reside in Montreal. So Canada and *coughs* Frogland *coughs* ;P

@Enosisik said:

"I agree kids wont change their sexuality but X-men isn't the way i'd want my child to find out about it... That's just my opinion"____ I agree with that in point but all these parents had to do was monitor what their kids see and flip through the book before they buy it. It all goes back to the fact that 'you don't have to buy the book if you don't like what's in it.... Don't try to take it away from the rest of the people who like the story or don't mind it. I personally feel that every sex,race and creed deserves to have a hero represent them in comics. Perhaps an age restriction would be a good idea but I strongly dislike the idea of eliminating a character based on sexual preference as much as I would if they were to ask to eliminate a specific race or religion from the books.

I agree with this. I don't think it's necessary to start eliminating characters especially if the people who want them eliminated aren't even the ones reading the stories -.-

These moms need to start being moms instead of forcing their discrimination against gays on the world. I mean this isn't the only thing they are protesting.. and it's not just Marvel either. They want people to write to DC as well to obliterate gays from comics completely and even had a little hissy fit over the gay marriage in Archie.

They even tried to have Ellen Degeneres removed as the spokeswoman for JC Penny. Like seriously?!?! This organization just makes me sick to my tummy =(

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#96  Edited By Enosisik

Wow, yeah that's just pure prejudice and discrimination then.

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#97  Edited By Wonderbrezzy

@Raiiyn: lol and i asked one of the moderators, he was ok with it!

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@Wonderbrezzy said:

@Raiiyn: lol and i asked one of the moderators, he was ok with it!

Whhhhat are you talking about? O.o

I asked if you ever read a comic? Good to know you got a mod's permission to do that....

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#99  Edited By Funrush

@Enemybird said:

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

Likewise. I'm not against it to the point of protesting about it, though.

Also, on the term of Christianity and sins, why are they worrying about homosexuality specifically? Murder, violence, lying, and disrespect is featured in comics which are considered sins in most religions, how come we don't see moms protesting about that?

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#100  Edited By Enemybird

@Funrush said:

@Enemybird said:

I kinda agree with the moms here... kids are very impressionable. I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be confused.

Likewise. I'm not against it to the point of protesting about it, though.

Also, on the term of Christianity and sins, why are they worrying about homosexuality specifically? Murder, violence, lying, and disrespect is featured in comics which are considered sins in most religions, how come we don't see moms protesting about that?

Simple, the moms are just reacting to the stigma attached to homosexuality in american society.