#1 Edited by WillPayton (8415 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America's shield can take shots from Thor. Can it survive Darkseid's Omega Beams? (versions: most powerful versions of each)

Round 1: 2-second blast

Round 2: Sustained blast. As long as it takes.

Outcomes:

> No damage

> Minor damage

> Blasts a hole through the shield

> Disintegrates the whole shield.

Edit: Changed "No effect" to "No damage". BFR'ing the shield doesnt count.

#2 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

1. No effect
2. Minor damage

#3 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

no effect both times

#4 Posted by JediXMan (27997 posts) - - Show Bio

He could teleport it away. So yeah, there'd be an effect.

#5 Posted by Bo88gdan (4374 posts) - - Show Bio
@karetaker said:

no effect both times

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#6 Posted by IKnowEverything (359 posts) - - Show Bio

no effect either time

#7 Posted by stonerthps (734 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bo88gdan said:
@karetaker said:

no effect both times

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#8 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: then it wouldn't be a shield vs omega beams test would it

#9 Posted by GrandHarrier (109 posts) - - Show Bio

Omega beams teleport the Shield through time.

#10 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@GrandHarrier: that wouldn't damage the shield

#11 Posted by JediXMan (27997 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

@JediXMan: then it wouldn't be a shield vs omega beams test would it

Sure it is. That's an ability the Omega Sanction has. You said "no effect." That's simply wrong. Being teleported is an effect.

I stand by my comment.

#12 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3514 posts) - - Show Bio

(1) Cap's shield is gone. (2) Cap's shield is gone.

#13 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: Aren't the omega beams and omega effect 2 different things?

#14 Posted by GrandHarrier (109 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker: He time-teleports it to the big bang? If you tell me it can survive the birth of the universe, I will withdraw my comment.

#15 Posted by KraytRawk (606 posts) - - Show Bio

No damage to sheild is done what so ever. But he could possibly teleport, no doubt..

#16 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@GrandHarrier: the big bang wasn't actually an explosion. scientific fact just look it up.@JediXMan: no effect on the integrity of the shield as was the point of the test in the OP.

#17 Edited by GrandHarrier (109 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker: Correct. But the temperature was... very hot. "Temperatures were so high that the random motions of particles were at relativistic speeds , and particle-antiparticle pairs of all kinds were being continuously created and destroyed in collisions." Even a few minutes after, it was still over one billion degrees kelvin.

As of 2011, the shield has been damaged or destroyed several times within the confines of the Earth 616 continuity. On each of these occasions, the shield was subjected to a cosmically powerful force capable of reshaping matter on a massive scale.

Can it survive that?

#18 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

@karetaker said:

@JediXMan: then it wouldn't be a shield vs omega beams test would it

Sure it is. That's an ability the Omega Sanction has. You said "no effect." That's simply wrong. Being teleported is an effect.

I stand by my comment.

From what i understood from the battle its to see how durable the shield is, not what OB can do. OB can just as easily phase through the shield, transumate the shield, BFR etc, but i think the shield might be able to withstand the blast as long as it used purely as a force beam rather than use for other purpose at least for the first round. Still not convienced about round 2 though, i think even as a forced beam i think OB has what it takes to shatter the shield, but probably thats just me.

#19 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

@GrandHarrier: the big bang wasn't actually an explosion. scientific fact just look it up.

You are saying as if people know what the big bang actually is, its the birth of the universe thats all we know. It could be an explosion, an implosion, an outpost of the white hole, collision of membranes (M theory).

You certainly cant claim something as a fact when science doesnt know what happened, the only thing close to what has been speculated (string theory) is that the process was similar to supernova, regardless of how you put it its only a theory along with all other theory (super gravity, M theory, string theory, information paradox or commonly called Hawkin's Paradox).

#20 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@GrandHarrier: i dont really know what it was like at the start of the universe. no one does thats just a theory. i could go the God approach and say cap is a christian and there is no big bang (but im an atheist).the temp shouldn't matter. but if the shields atoms were ripped apart or destroyed on that level it would work.that being said that wasn't the point of the test.

#21 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: i meant it was the most excepted theory.your right no theory can be stated as fact.thats my bad

#22 Posted by JediXMan (27997 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@JediXMan: Aren't the omega beams and omega effect 2 different things?

There is the Omega Effect. Technically, "Omega Beams" is the incorrect term. Omega Sanction or Effect is correct.

#23 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

@Killemall: i meant it was the most excepted theory.your right no theory can be stated as fact.thats my bad

I am a little taken aback, which theory states big bang to not be an explosion?

Because well the way Big Bang was actually drawn was a little weird to be honest, they pointed Hubble telescope into the deep field, and saw many distance galaxies, what was noteworthy was the most distance galaxy looked all red, now whats the chance that entire galaxy is filled with red stars (be it reg giants, supergiants and hypergiants). The theory put forward was that if the distance between those distance galaxy and our earth has increased over the period of them, this has an stretching effect into all form of energy waves, including lightwaves, and an stretch light wave turns to red spectrum. Then based on that a theory was formulated that universe is expanding, various research and evidences point to the same conclusion. So thats where big bang was born, if the space is constantly expanding, then if you rewind back time you will see universe collapsing so it should theoretically lead to a point where universe was very very very small, and thats what a big bang is.

#24 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: The "Big Bang" is commonly described as an explosion, but this is not really a good analogy. In fact, the universe was created through an expansion of space.

The Big Bang

In the big bang theory, the universe formed as a primeval fireball about 15 (or so) billion years ago. Initially the entire universe was compressed to the size of an infinitesimal point. At the moment of formation this primeval fireball began expanding and has been expanding ever since.

The initial expansion of this primeval fireball is almost universally described as a huge explosion. An explosion however is not the best analogy to describe this expansion. Why? In an explosion, such as a bomb or firecracker, matter blasts out from a central location and fills up space that is already there. The pieces of matter are moving away from each other because the blast gave them a large velocity away from the center of the blast.

Expansion but not Explosion

This is not what happened in the big bang. It is true that distant galaxies all appear to be moving away from us. That is not because we are the central point in the universe. It is also not because an explosion gave them a large outward velocity.

#25 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

@Killemall: The "Big Bang" is commonly described as an explosion, but this is not really a good analogy. In fact, the universe was created through an expansion of space.

The Big Bang

In the big bang theory, the universe formed as a primeval fireball about 15 (or so) billion years ago. Initially the entire universe was compressed to the size of an infinitesimal point. At the moment of formation this primeval fireball began expanding and has been expanding ever since.

The initial expansion of this primeval fireball is almost universally described as a huge explosion. An explosion however is not the best analogy to describe this expansion. Why? In an explosion, such as a bomb or firecracker, matter blasts out from a central location and fills up space that is already there. The pieces of matter are moving away from each other because the blast gave them a large velocity away from the center of the blast.

Expansion but not Explosion

This is not what happened in the big bang. It is true that distant galaxies all appear to be moving away from us. That is not because we are the central point in the universe. It is also not because an explosion gave them a large outward velocity.

Are you getting this from a wiki, because else if this is written by someone credible you should flip him a birdie.

Firstly, law of matter conversion - anything that pass the speed of sound produces a sonic boom thats the first burst of energy outlet, so unless we are saying universe expands slower than the speed of sound, which simply cannot be correct, there has to be a bang.

Secondly, the only thing that this says is its not explosion because there was no space before big bang, which based on some theory is correct. that doesnt change the fact that a rapid expansion of a tiny extremely hot matter has to cause an explosion, because unless some matter are converted into energy the expansion is not possible from a ball of pure energy, so there has to be an explosion somewhere.

Also the only thing this article or whatever it is seem to say there was a bang its just not called explosion because the matters didnt go out in the space that was already there but the space itself was created through this process. There still has to be a bang somewhere, else its just big with no bang theory ;p

#26 Posted by Enemybird (3103 posts) - - Show Bio

He disintegrates the whole shield

#27 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: Its no from the wiki.but i found this theory alot of places. i dont think a sonic boom counts as an explosion in the conventional sense though. but i mean that was my whole point. i think the Bang is misunderstood. i honestly dont feel like having a thoughtfully intelligent conversation about this because my head hurts lol but not from this. But do u get what im trying to say?

#28 Posted by WillPayton (8415 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are people arguing whether the Big Bang was an explosion or not? How is that relevant to the topic?

In any case, an explosion is generally what we call something that expands very fast. By that definition the Big Bang was an explosion. What actually happened at or before the point of singularity is unknown, but we (science) know very well what the universe was like even a small fraction of a second after the Big Bang. And, there's no way any physical object would survive in that early universe. I could go into detail, but it's really not relevant since real-world particle physics doesnt apply that well to comics.

#29 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

He could teleport it away. So yeah, there'd be an effect.

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

(1) Cap's shield is gone. (2) Cap's shield is gone.

@GrandHarrier said:

Omega beams teleport the Shield through time.

@GrandHarrier said:

@karetaker: He time-teleports it to the big bang? If you tell me it can survive the birth of the universe, I will withdraw my comment.

#30 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

He could teleport it away. So yeah, there'd be an effect.

#31 Posted by WillPayton (8415 posts) - - Show Bio

Changed OP to specify "no damage" instead of "no effect" as the first option. The idea is to determine if the Omega Beams can damage the shield, not BFR it away.

#32 Posted by GrandHarrier (109 posts) - - Show Bio

The shield has been disintegrated before (Molecule Man). And as the Omega Sanction is capable of disintegration and is a cosmic level energy, my response would be

1) Minor damage; Kryptonian level beings can survive short blasts. So I don't doubt the shield would endure brief exposure.

2) Disintegrates the whole shield.

#33 Posted by Phoenixgeist (3678 posts) - - Show Bio

this is interesting...

sorry for the bump but i'm curious as to limits of caps shield durability, can it really hold up to the omega beams?

#34 Edited by Dratini1331 (6416 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't OB remove existence? I don't even know anymore.

#35 Posted by SlimJ87D (8932 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on whose writing the story, that's about it.

#36 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

this should not be here. though the omega effect is just that, an EFFECT, not heat, not concussive, but an effect, which the shield can not block

#37 Posted by Phoenixgeist (3678 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: isn't the effect used in the form of a beam distributed from his eyes?

#38 Posted by TommyJones1945 (716 posts) - - Show Bio

1, Barely suatains it.

2, Is eradicated like no man's buisness. CIN.

#39 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

the omega beams can teleport its target, decimate, etc. theres no way for the shield to block it or deflect it. it will do precisely what darkseid wants it to do.

#40 Edited by Shawnbaby (9324 posts) - - Show Bio

Make Sure It Is a Battle

The battle forum is for actual fights between characters. Things like 'who has the coolest power' or 'who gets the most chicks' ARE NOT BATTLES. Just because you put 'vs' in the title, does not automatically make it battle forum worthy. They should be placed in general discussion or in off-topic (depending on what they're about). As well, fights with characters who are not comic book or manga characters or haven't featured predominantly in comic books or manga (Bruce Lee vs Chuck Norris, Barney Stinson vs Joey Tribbian etc) do not belong in the battle forum, either.

This has been discussed between the battle forum mods a bit. These are guidelines for what does and does not constitute a battle.

  • Who Can Beat _____? - These are not battles and should be placed in that characters forum from this point forward. If they aren't and a mod notices, they'll be moved.
  • Power vs Power - Things like Optic Blast vs Heat Vision are not battles and will be moved to the appropriate forum from now on.
  • Item vs Item - Things like Mjolnir vs Captain America's Shield are not battles and will be moved to the appropriate forum from now on.
  • Can ___ Do ____? - Things like 'Can Wolverine's Claws Cut Cap's Shield' or "Can Superman's Heat Vision Melt Adamantium' are not battles and will be moved to the appropriate forum from now on.
#41 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

@cooldes: when the light touches you you are then immediately being affected, of course, this is without PIS

#42 Posted by dondave (26917 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

It depends on whose writing the story, that's about it.

#43 Posted by leonkarlen123 (2442 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sure Captain's shield would be heated. Then he drops it and get sliced in half by the omega beam.

#44 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (4671 posts) - - Show Bio

No effect