Off My Mind: Should Brainy Heroes Fight Crime or Solve Problems?

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When you think of superheroes, the powers that come to mind are often of a physical nature. Heroes have super strength, they can fly, they can shoot power beams from some part of their body, etc. There are some heroes who's biggest strength is their mind. What if these heroes used their intelligence for other purposes?

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The other day I talked about the evil scientists trying to rule the world. They could easily use their intellect to invent something and make a fortune. They often resort to crime to fund their crazy experiments. But creating one little piece of technology or miracle cure could set them up for life. The same could almost be said for the super-smart heroes.

I started thinking about this when reading James Robinson's Starman series. Ted Knight was a hero in the Golden Age. Once he retired and his son, Jack, became the defender of Opal City, Ted turned his attention back to his research. Jack had brought up the topic of the things he could have accomplished if he had focused on his research instead of dressing up in a brightly colored suit fighting crime. Would the world be better off if these geniuses shifted their goals to making mankind better?
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Peter Parker was always a gifted lad. As a teenager, he managed to design and create his mechanical web shooters in addition to making his costume (with the one-way mirror eye slits). In the current Big Time story, Peter is finally in a scientific setting and has already created an amazing new high-tech costume (no pun intended). This was after about five minutes working there. If he had spent the last however many years researching and inventing instead of fighting costumed crazies, who knows what he could have accomplished by now.

Tony Stark designed a bit of technology that saved his life when a piece of shrapnel was making its way to his heart. He currently has plans on designing a sustainable energy source that would benefit mankind. It's too bad he's still spending half his time with the Avengers going on time traveling adventures or hunting down the Infinity Gems that were stolen.

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Reed Richards is another example. As the leader of the Fantastic Four, he has invented several pieces of technology that he has shared, not only with his team but others as well. At one point he decided to try to solve everything but it would have cost him his family.

These smart heroes I mentioned and others aren't just sitting around being couch potatoes. They are doing some good. Every time they apprehend a costumed maniac, they are saving lives. The question is, should they expand their focus and try to save even more? Batman was always obsessed with ending crime in Gotham City. With his new Batman, Inc plans, it appears as if he's looking at the bigger picture and trying to put a stop to crime around the world rather than just his little backyard. 

Stopping muggers and bank robbers is one thing but perhaps it's time the heroes used their intellect to solve even bigger problems.
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#1  Edited By jubilee042

they should be heroes but also help mankind like reed because they show a future full of possibilities for braniacs and some times nerds 

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#2  Edited By moffattbooks

depends, create something but put in out privately, never let the government take control of it, find a balance between wisdom and just doing everything for someone for total control

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#3  Edited By xerox_kitty

Don't they fight crime by solving problems?
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#4  Edited By gmanfromheck
@xerox-kitty: But should they solve the world's problems or stop the local crazy costumed villain? Dressing up as a hero and running around takes them away from doing the heavy research.
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#5  Edited By Icemizer

Well if all they did was solve problems that would make for an extremly dull comic book. Oh look theres Reed drawing at the chalkboard again.. Ten panels later more of the same....ten pages later more of the same. Yea that sure would be an thrilling issue to have.  Now having these big brains do this off panel is just fine. We get that all the time with Brainiac 5, Reed Richards, and others. Hey look what Reed made, great. Ok lets move on with the story. So its better to have them out doing things than it is to have them solving things simply for us the reader.
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#6  Edited By Frobin

No! Superheroes should NOT try to solve all problems of mankind ... they should not try to change things for ordinary people ... they have to do it themselves. Heroes should be idols for people to take action ... and they should act when crime or threats occur. But not trying to change the whole system for a higher justice.
 
WHY NOT? Because then they get involved in politics, they are no more heroes ... they force their point of views to others. Or they go totally insane?
 
Like Reed Richards when he invented psychohistory in Civil War and thought he could forecast the futute for sure. Then he cloned Thor and created the Negative Zone prison to imprison his friends - for a higer goal, that seemed so  desirable.
Or Tony Stark ... and Batman ...
 
No, superheroes are some kind of guardians and watchdogs ... they should prevent disasters, bring villains to justice (even hunt them down - not just wait till they act - like in "Cry for Justice"). But not get control or try to solve all troubles by changing the system or doing whatever they are able to do. It would end in dictatorship ... and ethical corruption ... and the story is already told (and can't be told better!): Wildstorm's The Authority once did it ... and The Authority are real bad ass, but are they still heroes. 

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#7  Edited By dondasch

Heroes help humanity by solving problems and fighting crime, often simultaneously.  However, they are not to be considered the be all and end all for humanity.  Humanity has to be able to help themselves and not rely on superhumans to accomplish/overcome their troubles. 

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#8  Edited By InnerVenom123
"Reed Richards is another example. As the leader of the Fantastic Four, he has invented several pieces of technology that he has shared, not only with his team but others as well. At one point he decided to try to solve everything but it would have cost him his family. "
 
What exactly do you mean by solve everything? He could have fixed every problem in modern society, and he didn't because of his family?
 
What a selfish prick!
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#9  Edited By DEGRAAF
@Frobin said:

"No! Superheroes should NOT try to solve all problems of mankind. "

Yea they shouldn't try to solve all problems, but they could create devices to help out there fellow heroes. They could create cures for deadly diseases, they could find a way to take down and stop the Annihilation wave, could come up with an unlimited resource for powering the world.
 

@Icemizer said:

"Well if all they did was solve problems that would make for an extremly dull comic book. Oh look theres Reed drawing at the chalkboard again.. Ten panels later more of the same....ten pages later more of the same. Yea that sure would be an thrilling issue to have.  Now having these big brains do this off panel is just fine. We get that all the time with Brainiac 5, Reed Richards, and others. Hey look what Reed made, great. Ok lets move on with the story. So its better to have them out doing things than it is to have them solving things simply for us the reader. "

Actually i wouldnt mind if they did this for at least one entire issue.
 
 
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No i agree with what your saying (i think), The geniuses should stick to being geniuses and solving unsolvable problemss. I think Reed should take Valeria to the dimension of the Reed. Im not saying they shouldnt still be superheroes but i think they would do much more good if they were locked in the Baxter building inventing off of one another. If the y heroes of the world couldnt complete it a challenge by them selves, then they could call upon Team Geek. 
 
I think the biggest problem with the geniuses of the Marvel world is that they always think they need to do it by themselves (specially Reed) 
 
If you put Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Hank Pym, Bruce Banner, Amadeus Cho, Peter Parker, and Hank McCoy in the Baxter Building or Avengers Mansion for a week, they could come up with or solve anything.
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#10  Edited By b3n8m3

Consider Ozymandias: He saw that fighting muggers, gangsters, terrorists and Communism wasnt enough. He tried to solve "all" the worlds problems. Some would argue that he succeded. But at what cost? Dr Manhattan's humanity? Billions of lives? Remember . . .  "the road to hell is littered with good intentions".
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Did Ted Knight ever get that far with his research? I remember him making an enormous version of the cosmic rod, but that was about it, supposedly his research was going be responsible for furthering space travel or something.

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#12  Edited By SC  Moderator

Intelligence isn't really depending on how you define it, that key a factor in solving many of the worlds actual problems. The ability to make people agree and listen to each other is. Thats of course much easier if you make them listen and much harder if you give them freedom. Dr Doom solved most of the worlds problems, when he was in control. Of course he was lazy and took shortcuts. You know, most people were under his control when he deemed it necessary.  
 
As valid a question, is should characters in high positions of power and influence, read books and educate themselves to the level of the smartest guys around and see if they can do better? Though the problems one might suggest they have (Cap can't read a book and become as smart as Reed) might differ in nature to Reed's they are sort of the same in practical terms. 

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#13  Edited By gmanfromheck
@Emperor Gonzo Noir: I'm only on book four of the Omnibuses (James gave me a hard time for not having read it when the series first came out).
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Didn't Reed, Tony & Hank Pym's desire to fix the world's problems lead to Civil War?
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@Jake Fury said:
" Didn't Reed, Tony & Hank Pym's desire to fix the world's problems lead to Civil War? "
Yes, that didn't pan out
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@Emperor Gonzo Noir:
That's what I was thinking. Granted, it wasn't on a worldwide scale but still.
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#17  Edited By SC  Moderator
@Jake Fury said:
" Didn't Reed, Tony & Hank Pym's desire to fix the world's problems lead to Civil War? "
 
Arguably (when I say that, I don't mean it lol) it was the people who opposed them, that lead to the problems (and Reed and Tony's and Skrull Pym's lack of social skills), and in this case, Reed, Tony, and Pym's were following the signs of the government, who were in turn following the fickle nature of public opinion and understanding. That itself influenced by reality TV. Reality TV really is preventing world peace. 
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@SC:
In other words blame it on the angst ridden emo teenagers like Speedball. I agree with this.
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#19  Edited By GraveSp

Well the smarter heroes tend to invent things that will benefit them in fighting crime.  Its entirely possible that crime fighting is their muse, and without it they wouldn't have the same drive and wouldn't be better inventors.  Or maybe the would accidentally invent something that destroys the world and that would be bad.  

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#20  Edited By SC  Moderator
@Jake Fury:  Yes, so do I, but just not Namorita. Just the others like Speedball. Characters named after drugs are bad etc
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#21  Edited By ndholite

Depend on their purpose and intention....

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They should be working on healing cancer or AIDS, not on the frontlines where they could die.

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#23  Edited By SC  Moderator
@deadpoolvironfist:  They have the cure for Cancer... at least Black Panther does. He isn't sharing it though until Storm fans stop harassing him. 
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#24  Edited By ImperiousRix

I think many of the brainier characters DO spend more proportionate time being brainy than they do actually playing hero. 
And as many have said, a lot of times when these "geniuses" do actually sit down and let their brains work overtime.  Ultron, one of the most powerful villains in the Marvel universe, was actually physically CREATED by one of these geniuses (Hank Pym). 
That's only an example, but it is an interesting thought.

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#25  Edited By Doctor!!!!!

Smart heroes should, but they to work on making us our freakin' HOVERBOARDS!!

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#26  Edited By The Devil Tiger

Super heroes as depicted in their comics are unrealistic. 
 
Reed richards and tony stark are useless. Ton of billions of cash, genius and hyper technology, gods and power beyond imagination, and they even can't solve few social problem ?  
 
If you think it really, in Marvel you could think that humanity could be the equal in term of power as the Shi'ar empire, and beginning a space colonisation, curing AIDS and solve world famine.  
 
But no, Tony Stark, Hank Pym, and the other keep their technology for them, and don't share their genius to improve the rest of humanity. 
 
And don't make me begin with the argument "They want humanity to solve her problem on her own!" They are part of humanity, they have no excuse in their inaction.   

In that, they're no better than Doctor Doom or Lex Luthor.  

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#27  Edited By Woodclaw

I think that a possible answer about heroes - especially super-smart heroes- doing too much has already been explored in Mark Gruenwald's classic Squadron Supreme 12 issue series.
 
For those who missed it (shame on you) the basic idea was to take a group of Justice League expies in a world gone to hell and gave them the chance to be really proactive. The Squadron introduced new technologies, like individual force fields for personal protection, pacifier gas gun for arresting violent criminals, a Behaviour Modifier machine to allow violent criminals to reddem themselves, they even come close to found the universal cure for all the diseases.
But there was a big problem, as Nighthawk (the local Batman) explained, everything was fine as long as the Squadron was around to act as the world's conscience, but what if someone else was in charge. An army equipped with individual force fields will be unstoppable, the pacifier gas can be used to keep entire coutries sedated, not to mention all the possible implications of the B-Mod machine.
 
Technology and morality are two fields that tend to advance at different speeds, as long as morality didn't catch up with technology I think that it's better to keep certain tech under control.

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#28  Edited By neillius

This remind me of some priciples I learned while studing business at a mildly prestigous university in Pennsylvania (Not Penn State)
 
If we look at it from an economic perspective, every individuals ultimate goal is to maximize their use to the economy. When we are posed with economically different activities, we should then select the one that brings the greatest benefit to the economy.  
 
To give an example, we can all agree that Jim Lee is an excellent artist. But Jim Lee in his spare time enjoys another economically beneficial activity, say medicine or mowing his lawn. From the afformentioned perspective, Jim Lee would create loss in the economy because by practicing medicine or mowing his lawn he is not achieving his highest level of value to the economy.  
  
Therefore if the highest possibility for that brainy super hero is to do research they will be better of doing research, even if they enjoy fighting crime as a hobby. The reverse is also true, if that super hero is not great at research but can fight crime better than anyone, then that would maximize their value to the economy.

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#29  Edited By Video_Martian
@InnerVenom123 said:
" "Reed Richards is another example. As the leader of the Fantastic Four, he has invented several pieces of technology that he has shared, not only with his team but others as well. At one point he decided to try to solve everything but it would have cost him his family. "
 
What exactly do you mean by solve everything? He could have fixed every problem in modern society, and he didn't because of his family?  What a selfish prick! "
Reed Richards has ALWAYS been a selfish prick, they should have killed him off instead of Johnny...
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#30  Edited By leokearon

I think they can do both, Iron Man for example designs new tech as Tony and then has to protect it as Iron Man.
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#31  Edited By ARMIV

Can't they do both?

 

And on another note,  when did Reed start looking like Chris Redfield?

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#32  Edited By JonesDeini
@G-Man said:
" @xerox-kitty: But should they solve the world's problems or stop the local crazy costumed villain? Dressing up as a hero and running around takes them away from doing the heavy research. "
There's no way to solve the worlds problems, G-Man. They should do exactly what they're doing. Help the most people possible. Either approach is like punching water, but strike the blow that makes the biggest wave.  
 
I was also thinking about this topic though. In issue 8 or 9 of Fraction's Invincible Iron Man Tony tells Spider-Man that his invention of his webbing alone would make him billions and save lives and vastly improve construction. And that's just the base level application of it. But he realizes that Pete would have to patent it under his real name, revealing his identity to the world and his enemies. Though it is interesting to consider a world in which Peter Parker, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, etc. never suited up in anything but a lab coat. If that were the case they could improve the world but not solve it's problems. This is due to the world's problems source always being us, people. At most they'd serve as suppliers for other heroes (and inadvertently villains) tech. 
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#33  Edited By JonesDeini
@Soldier zero said:
" I think that a possible answer about heroes - especially super-smart heroes- doing too much has already been explored in Mark Gruenwald's classic Squadron Supreme 12 issue series.  For those who missed it (shame on you) the basic idea was to take a group of Justice League expies in a world gone to hell and gave them the chance to be really proactive. The Squadron introduced new technologies, like individual force fields for personal protection, pacifier gas gun for arresting violent criminals, a Behaviour Modifier machine to allow violent criminals to reddem themselves, they even come close to found the universal cure for all the diseases.But there was a big problem, as Nighthawk (the local Batman) explained, everything was fine as long as the Squadron was around to act as the world's conscience, but what if someone else was in charge. An army equipped with individual force fields will be unstoppable, the pacifier gas can be used to keep entire coutries sedated, not to mention all the possible implications of the B-Mod machine.  Technology and morality are two fields that tend to advance at different speeds, as long as morality didn't catch up with technology I think that it's better to keep certain tech under control. "
Bingo
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#34  Edited By crusader8463

There always needs to be someone on the street level keeping chaos in order or else the smart ones wouldn't live in a world where they could do research and make their toys because everything would be in complete chaos. However, I have always thought that intelligence was always the greatest super power, and when ever anyone would ask me what super power I wish I could have I would always say super intelligence. If you have that, you can just make every other super power. 
 
As for what you said, it all comes down to super hero logic. In the real world, if we had people as super intelligent as Mr. Fantastic, Peter Parker, Dr. Doom, Doc Oc, and Tony Stark we would be living in a perpetual paradise because it would only take a bunch of them to sit in a big room together and form a brain trust that just made a big list of all the worlds problems. Then they would just go down the list and fix everything one at a time, or break off into groups and each tackle a problem that has a solution specific to their talents.
 
What I never understood, is why in these universes doesn't Earth have a space fleet that goes out and explores the galaxy like in Star Trek? Pretty much every other hero has some means of going from planet to planet, why hasn't some company bought/stolen/copied this technology and sold it to governments yet?  The human race could be exploring the galaxy in these comic worlds with all the technology they have laying around. Hell, magic exists in these worlds. I'm sure someone could mass market some kind of magic spell that lets people go to other worlds. 
 
There is like an alien invasion every other week in these worlds, so why isn't there a huge organization of people on earth dedicated to exploring and finding these alien races? If aliens showed up here on earth once or twice, let alone hundreds of times, I think there would be a couple billionaires forming companies dedicated to finding more aliens.

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#35  Edited By goldenkey
@Emperor Gonzo Noir:
They need to stay out of politics that was obvious but there are other problems that the hero's can figure out.  End disease, end hunger, fix the polar caps and ozone layer.  I don't think that would be possible tho (not that super strenchy scientists and their ilk are) because it's just natures way of keeping the human population down to a tolerable amount of people with out completely distroying the earth.
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#36  Edited By NightFang3
@ARMIV said:
"Can't they do both?"
I don't see why not.
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#37  Edited By Tem-Tem

I think what most super smart heroes (and villains) have accepted is the universal truth that the only way to truely "fix" all of humanities problems is to mind control us all because there is too much varied opinion as to what constitutes a problem.

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#38  Edited By InfinityOmelette

The problem with the brainy types is that they eventually think they can solve all the universes problems... and that's probably their ego talkin'. 
 
If they are kept grounded and have an even mix of build a whatchamawidget here, and punch the face of a villain there, and ALSO have some time for R&R... I think they'll do more good in the long run with a more balanced philosophy.

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#39  Edited By xerox_kitty
@G-Man said:
" @xerox-kitty: But should they solve the world's problems or stop the local crazy costumed villain? Dressing up as a hero and running around takes them away from doing the heavy research. "
I always felt that each hero fell into their own category.  But I guess Spider-Man is the perfect example of 'could have solved world peace' kind of genius, but chose to fight local thugs instead.  But, he has that luxury; to choose between brains & super-powered brawn.  I don't think he made the wrong choice, but it's not an easy one. 
 
A bit like Beast:  Do you bounce around & fight bad guys, or sit in your lab all day researching, studying & experimenting?  He's always managed to keep a healthy balance of brawn based action & cerebral problem solving.  Which is why it was so tragic back in the early X-Factor days when he would use his strength to help save people, even though he knew it would cost him his mind.
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#40  Edited By kimeraevet
@InnerVenom123 said:
" "Reed Richards is another example. As the leader of the Fantastic Four, he has invented several pieces of technology that he has shared, not only with his team but others as well. At one point he decided to try to solve everything but it would have cost him his family. "
 
What exactly do you mean by solve everything? He could have fixed every problem in modern society, and he didn't because of his family?  What a selfish prick! "  
 
Exactly.
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#41  Edited By MTHarman

There's just one little flaw that G-man overlooked that could possibly give him a solid answer. 
 
Inventions are one of the most greatest gifts ever to be rewarded towards society. Inventions that sadly finds itself being used with sheer irresponsibilty and having the poor inventor, possible savior of mankind finding himself responsible for the violent deaths of millions. 
 
There's just one small problem with our creative heroes, seeing how both Marvel and DC have similair worlds like ours (in a way), there's the government. Run by a single man who's main goal is too defend his country by any means necessary, and seeing a hero waltzing around with a device that could solve all the problems that country is facing, it's most likely that the government would want that device and possibly use it in a way that even poor Reed Richards would go into deep isolation. 
From Spiderman all the way to Mister Fantastic, there is only one higher power in America, and by a single choice, history has proven that something designed for the better of mankind could possibly be used for the worst.  
 
it''s best to leave the inventions for the badguys and those missguided criminal scientists so that the heroes could destroy the inventions themselves.
 
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#42  Edited By EGoD  Moderator

Being a super hero is probably easier, you can hide behind a secret identity (unless you've chosen to expose it to everyone).  There are too many problems in the world to solve, besides, chicks did the costumes, lol.

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Last time I checked, a smart-ass hero 'destroyed' NEW YORK CITY in order to prevent tensions between the UNITED STATES and SOVIET RUSSIA.

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Fight and Solve problems just because they're smart doesn't mean they can't kick a**

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#45  Edited By JonesDeini
@crusader8463:  
My problem with this pow you describe is that each of them is still human. Therefore, though smarter they're all vulnerable to the same flaws and failings as the rest of us. They'd each have different opinions, prejudices, philosophies, etc. Even if they managed to "fix" our current planetary problems, that would just clean the slate for newer problems to come to the forefront.  
 
Also, agree that humans are idiots in comics lol. I mean how many frakin' times do aliens need to come blowing up your homes before you take to the stars yourself? Does the planet not have enough resources on mass to build ships? If that's the case why not have a reality warper just make the planet have the resources needed? We got the minds to build the ships...
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#46  Edited By Eyz
@AMP - Seeker of Lost Knowledge said:
" Last time I checked, a smart-ass hero 'destroyed' NEW YORK CITY in order to prevent tensions between the UNITED STATES and SOVIET RUSSIA.

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He's the ebst and worst exemple of all this!
Bonus points for mentioning him++
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#47  Edited By Durakken

Batman sorta answers this. It takes all Bruce's resources and intellect to keep steps ahead of the criminal element so that he can do his plans as Batman and it is the exposure to the crazy stuff AS Batman that helps him come up with all the crazy stuff to keep ahead of them.

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#48  Edited By JonesDeini
@G-Man:  
I love how T'Challa's not mentioned in this list of big brains :-P
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#49  Edited By sweatboy
@JonesDeini said:
" @G-Man said:
" @xerox-kitty: But should they solve the world's problems or stop the local crazy costumed villain? Dressing up as a hero and running around takes them away from doing the heavy research. "
There's no way to solve the worlds problems, G-Man. They should do exactly what they're doing. Help the most people possible. E  
Sometimes,...the best thing to do is to sit back,.....AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. That's the thing about most people. Humankind,..... "hmmm, that seems like a good idea! i'll make money! LET'S DO THIS!" *2 years later* "OH SHIT!"  *epic facepalm* AND THIS,... is why we have SUPERHEROES! Donotello, Henry McCoy, Prof X, Batman, Mr Fantastic,....not for these guys half their team would be DEAD! The Beast is BIG,.. has animal senses, HAS SO MANY POWERS but what does he value the most? INTELLIGENCE. The most important parts of their jobs.... are not ALWAYS physical although the beast ad Donotello can definitely kick serious butt. Prof X on the other hand,.... Also the cool thing about the X Men, well at least the Astonishing,....is how they act as.....A people? trying to rebuild, planning, mapping, using STRATEGY,...guys like Forge playing their background role,...... every member of a team has a role or a niche whatever,... and intelligence is important, and that's inventing healing and a lot of other stuff. But as in the military i guess,... every able bodied man is of use in other ways too
 
Yeah G-Man makes a good point, the ordinary norm is "ya gotta be RIPPED to be a superhero!" and apparently Hugh Jackman thought the same thing. Well, he did it well, all wild and crazy. But most of the powers (mutant, meta, superhuman) for good OR bad cannot be used right without using your head. I remember a fan mail about Ted Kord in one of my JLE comics about how Blue Beetle was the ONLY flabby Superhero lmao
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#50  Edited By daak1212

Should Brainy Heroes Fight Crime or Solve Problems?  
 
No, because if the heros actually relized what they were capable of then they would fix ALL the problems in the world making boring comics....