I am a bigger fan of a more robotic looking Ultron, I really liked the way Ultron looked and was portrayed in Avengers: Earth Mightiest Heroes animated series.
That’s an interesting perspective but a question begging to be asked is, if Ultron isn’t going with his humanity is inherently flawed shenanigans, what is going to motivate him to become a villain?
That’s an interesting perspective but a question begging to be asked is, if Ultron isn’t going with his humanity is inherently flawed shenanigans, what is going to motivate him to become a villain?
Why wouldn't he be going with that motive? It's been said that Ultron is going to be Tony's pet world police project, imprinted with Tony's mind but none of his humanity, hence he'll see humanity as flawed due to seeing it from a purely technological and statistical perspective. For instance, that bit in the trailer where he says "You want to save the world but you don't want it to change" encapsulates Ultron's motives. He's mocking humanity as well as trying to destroy it.
It appears from the trailer that Ultron starts with a more robotic appearance evolving slowly towards a more humanized semblance.
In comics Ultron, barring one story arc with Bendis, has a robotic countenance because he dislikes humanity; but the movie seems to be taking liberty with Ultron's motivation and that his aversion for humanity might not be the primary stimulus for his action as it wouldn't logically fit his progression towards a more humanizing visage.
It would be interesting to see what they are going to do with him. It's evident that Ultron wants to change humanity but the whole detail on why he would partake in such endeavor seem unclear, I am interested on what your speculation on it might be.
@claymore1998: Well the movies are the epitome of the visual medium so you do have to take some liberties. With the comics and cartoons, you can keep Ultron's robotic demeanour intact. But with films, some suitable change has to be done. And this works within Ultron's character and motivations. I don't see why eradicating humanity wouldn't be Ultron's ultimate goal in AOU rather than changing it. There's loads of attacks on human cities and populations in the trailer.
Could be, I still prefer the more robotic appearance though. I think that’s the appearance I have read the most about and I can't help but feel attached.
Could be, I still prefer the more robotic appearance though. I think that’s the appearance I have read the most about and I can't help but feel attached.
Same here but Spader did a good enough job in the trailer to make me open to the idea that his slightly more human take on Ultron could work.
His voice also gets creepier as the trailer progresses, which I found pretty cool. I just want them to give a more logical and understandable motivation for Ultron. In comics his intentions are understandable, with humanity being fragile, weak, mortal and enchained with emotions Ultron wanted a more rational version of a world and he believed it would be the best outcome. His motivation while flawed made sense, at least to me. I really hope they do something similar to him in the movie.
I am tired of movies only paying attention to heroes and making villains forgettable, I prefer a movie where both side have reasonable basis for their respective action and while the general populace might not agree with the action of the antagonist, they should be able to relate with his way of thinking.
I really hope we get to see that rather than having an extremely powerful robot prancing around flaunting his invulnerability.
That’s an interesting perspective but a question begging to be asked is, if Ultron isn’t going with his humanity is inherently flawed shenanigans, what is going to motivate him to become a villain?
Why wouldn't he be going with that motive? It's been said that Ultron is going to be Tony's pet world police project, imprinted with Tony's mind but none of his humanity, hence he'll see humanity as flawed due to seeing it from a purely technological and statistical perspective. For instance, that bit in the trailer where he says "You want to save the world but you don't want it to change" encapsulates Ultron's motives. He's mocking humanity as well as trying to destroy it.
Actually the way I see it is Ultron's motivation is that he want's to be a "real boy" be he knows he never will be, even with the strings cut he's still nothing more than a "tin man without a heart" so he lashes out at these "imperfect beings" who can't protect themselves while desperately wanting to be one.
Actually the way I see it is Ultron's motivation is that he want's to be a "real boy" be he knows he never will be, even with the strings cut he's still nothing more than a "tin man without a heart" so he lashes out at these "imperfect beings" who can't protect themselves while desperately wanting to be one.
Wow that's actually a pretty unique take on what his character might be. I would love to see something along that line.
Ultron in my view has always been a twisted version of his creator, in the comics it is Hank Pym. But because this Ultron was created by Tony, it has to be a twisted version of him. So this Ultron to me has to be different than what we have seen before.
Actually the way I see it is Ultron's motivation is that he want's to be a "real boy" be he knows he never will be, even with the strings cut he's still nothing more than a "tin man without a heart" so he lashes out at these "imperfect beings" who can't protect themselves while desperately wanting to be one.
Wow that's actually a pretty unique take on what his character might be. I would love to see something along that line.
10/10 for creativity to you sir.
Haha thanks. Now I just want someone to do a trailer remix with a slowed down creepy version of this:
In my opinion, I like his more human face and voice. It shows he's actually a being with emotions and thoughts rather than just a robot that is static like Tony's normal armor's look. Also the somewhat-creepy scene of his partly-built body crushing the (I think Iron Patriot) armor's head was pretty awesome.
That’s an interesting perspective but a question begging to be asked is, if Ultron isn’t going with his humanity is inherently flawed shenanigans, what is going to motivate him to become a villain?
Why wouldn't he be going with that motive? It's been said that Ultron is going to be Tony's pet world police project, imprinted with Tony's mind but none of his humanity, hence he'll see humanity as flawed due to seeing it from a purely technological and statistical perspective. For instance, that bit in the trailer where he says "You want to save the world but you don't want it to change" encapsulates Ultron's motives. He's mocking humanity as well as trying to destroy it.
Actually the way I see it is Ultron's motivation is that he want's to be a "real boy" be he knows he never will be, even with the strings cut he's still nothing more than a "tin man without a heart" so he lashes out at these "imperfect beings" who can't protect themselves while desperately wanting to be one.
Yes. That is the irony of the character of Ultron. Although he finds humanity inadequate in their ability to govern themselves and their planet, and he sees himself as a more efficient mean to an end, he still has base human desires (an obsession with Wasp) and sort of desires to be human himself.....it could be seen as a similarity to the monster character in Mary Shelleys Frankenstein novel. Its a result of being patterned after a human mind and is what, on several occasions, has lead to his defeat in story arcs.
@claymore1998: Marvel are the ones who are more guilty of this sadly. Their heroes and supporting cast are top notch but their villains? Only Loki and Obadiah Stane can be considered quality villains. Thanos might be something special based on his cameo but it's not his time to shine yet. Ultron's brief appearance has got me hoping that he'll be the MU's best villain yet. It's certainly looking like we'll get more than "an extremely powerful robot prancing around flaunting his invulnerability." Speaking of which, do you think Ultron will be getting an all vibranium body? It's a rumour going round atm due to adamantium being owned by Fox.
That’s an interesting perspective but a question begging to be asked is, if Ultron isn’t going with his humanity is inherently flawed shenanigans, what is going to motivate him to become a villain?
Why wouldn't he be going with that motive? It's been said that Ultron is going to be Tony's pet world police project, imprinted with Tony's mind but none of his humanity, hence he'll see humanity as flawed due to seeing it from a purely technological and statistical perspective. For instance, that bit in the trailer where he says "You want to save the world but you don't want it to change" encapsulates Ultron's motives. He's mocking humanity as well as trying to destroy it.
Actually the way I see it is Ultron's motivation is that he want's to be a "real boy" be he knows he never will be, even with the strings cut he's still nothing more than a "tin man without a heart" so he lashes out at these "imperfect beings" who can't protect themselves while desperately wanting to be one.
Damn gotta give you major kudos for creative plausibility as always Jonny. That's something that I can see happening and would be damn cool addition to Ultron's motivations.
That’s an interesting perspective but a question begging to be asked is, if Ultron isn’t going with his humanity is inherently flawed shenanigans, what is going to motivate him to become a villain?
Why wouldn't he be going with that motive? It's been said that Ultron is going to be Tony's pet world police project, imprinted with Tony's mind but none of his humanity, hence he'll see humanity as flawed due to seeing it from a purely technological and statistical perspective. For instance, that bit in the trailer where he says "You want to save the world but you don't want it to change" encapsulates Ultron's motives. He's mocking humanity as well as trying to destroy it.
Actually the way I see it is Ultron's motivation is that he want's to be a "real boy" be he knows he never will be, even with the strings cut he's still nothing more than a "tin man without a heart" so he lashes out at these "imperfect beings" who can't protect themselves while desperately wanting to be one.
Holy crap. You've just described a Marvel villain besides Loki that I'd really care about. lol Jokes aside, that sounds like a really nice mix of motivations for the standard Ultron story.
I've got no problems with the Ultron's appearance in the teaser. I'm not convinced that's his final form. Even if it is, if that "I've got no strings on me" speech means anything to his motivation and the theme of the movie in any way, like jonny said, I've got no problems with petty appearances. Can't wait for the next trailer.
Ultron has to get an all vibranium body, after all invulnerability has been one of his defining traits in comics. He has to be a threat to the Avengers as a whole , with the two new addition and a possible addition of Vision.
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