@the_red_viper: I still don't see how Batman killed the Joker in that final scene. Symbolic interpretation and too much emphasis on the metaphorical meaning of the story led to too much emphasis on Batman supposedly killing the Joker when there's no evidence for this. Besides it goes against Gordon's instructions to bring Joker in by the book. Batman wouldn't disrespect Jim's wishes in that regard.
Most Beautiful moment in Comics
Captain's marvel sacrifice in Kingdom Come
I remember first reading Kingdom Come and just staying here for a little while. Got me shivering.
A world with no walking WMDS. Paradise.
This scene is the reason why X-men comics are so s***
@the_red_viper: I still don't see how Batman killed the Joker in that final scene. Symbolic interpretation and too much emphasis on the metaphorical meaning of the story led to too much emphasis on Batman supposedly killing the Joker when there's no evidence for this. Besides it goes against Gordon's instructions to bring Joker in by the book. Batman wouldn't disrespect Jim's wishes in that regard.
Well, Batman's hands ARE around The Joker's throat, and the laughter DOES die very suddenly.
@the_red_viper: The scan where Batman is playing cards in the Asylum is actually with an impostor Joker.
@the_red_viper: The scan where Batman is playing cards in the Asylum is actually with an impostor Joker.
I was talking about that one actually:
Quite concievable that the Batmobile runs over The Joker as well though.
@the_red_viper: Yeah he may be pushing him into the path of the Batmobile. It's really a haunting page.
@the_red_viper: Out of context, this makes me hate Batman even more. He's actually paling around with that mass murdering freak.
@the_red_viper: Also, I found the scan you were talking about.
God I hate that comic.
Remember when Hit-Girl killed Snoop Dogg?!? LOL!!!!
@xlr87t3: snoop lion, nowadays
@the_red_viper: I still don't see how Batman killed the Joker in that final scene. Symbolic interpretation and too much emphasis on the metaphorical meaning of the story led to too much emphasis on Batman supposedly killing the Joker when there's no evidence for this. Besides it goes against Gordon's instructions to bring Joker in by the book. Batman wouldn't disrespect Jim's wishes in that regard.
Well, Batman's hands ARE around The Joker's throat, and the laughter DOES die very suddenly.
And the name of the story IS "THE KILLING JOKE"!!!!!
I feel like I recently answered something to this affect, but Silver Surfer: Requiem.
Spoilers ahead!
Surfer goes back to Zennla to die of a disease that no one can fix. As he lies there, a shadow falls on the planet: Galactus and his world ship. Surfer stumbles out of his chambers to face his former master.
Galactus lifts Norrin to his face, and for the first time shows grief.
He then says "I do not know if I can save you, but I can try."
God, I almost tear up typing it. It may not be cannon, but it says so much about both characters and their relationship.I wish I had scans. That whole mini series is gorgeous.
@the_red_viper: Also, I found the scan you were talking about.
Yeah, that's that.
@spinningbirdcake: See what the Internet has done:
@cap10nate: I know, right? My favorite issue in the entire series.
This is one of the most beautiful moments for me. I get so emotional whenever I see this photo. It just says much with only four simple words.
I miss Skaar, what's he up to these days?
I miss Skaar, what's he up to these days?
I think he's just hanging out in Limbo now that Dark Avengers has been over.
I miss Skaar, what's he up to these days?
I think he's just hanging out in Limbo now that Dark Avengers has been over.
Just seen him in the preview to Young Avengers
I miss Skaar, what's he up to these days?
I think he's just hanging out in Limbo now that Dark Avengers has been over.
He's actually part of the young avengers, him, lyra and like alot others were avengers assembled recently
@sebast_allen: Where does the most recent arc start?
issue 10, my mistake in other thread
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@spinningbirdcake: See what the Internet has done:
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Aw man that's so wrong.
@the_red_viper: I know but that could just signal the end of the story and the dark, twisted end of the Batman/Joker relationship. Besides, Batman's no kill code is now stauncher than Superman's (which I'm very annoyed about but that's going off topic) so to have Batman give into the dark impulses that make him just like the villains he fights undermines a core principle of Batman's mission. Of course that's just how I see it but just because of Morrison's interpretation and the title of the book, that doesn't mean it is literally the Killing Joke between Batman and The Joker.
@the_red_viper: I know but that could just signal the end of the story and the dark, twisted end of the Batman/Joker relationship. Besides, Batman's no kill code is now stauncher than Superman's (which I'm very annoyed about but that's going off topic) so to have Batman give into the dark impulses that make him just like the villains he fights undermines a core principle of Batman's mission. Of course that's just how I see it but just because of Morrison's interpretation and the title of the book, that doesn't mean it is literally the Killing Joke between Batman and The Joker.
Well you're talking about Batman's moral code as it is now, but you have to remember that The Killing Joke was written in 1988. That's 25 years ago, which is about 33% of Batman's career. It's very old when you think of it this way.
The ending is of course open to interpetation. But as I see it, The Joker is dead.
Moreover, one could say that Batman's laughter in the end actually means that he's finally gone COMPLETELY mad. As in, he's now The Joker but with martial art skills. And that "The Killing Joke" killed not only The Joker himself, but also Batman. As in, the Batman we know, the one that's still somewhat sane. It killed Gotham's savior and gave birth to its new greatest enemy.
It's also ironic when you think about it since The Joker's whole purpose in this arc was to make Jim Gordon go insane, to prove that all it takes is one bad day to make the sanest person go mad. Batman wanted to prove him wrong of course. Jim Gordon is fine, but Batman is the one who's fallen victim to The Joker's scheme. Maybe that was his plan all along?
As well as what Batman told him (his double, actually) in the beginning-that they're gonna end up killing each other, and that's exactly what happened: Batman killed The Joker by strangling him or throwing him in front of the car or whatever, and The Joker killed Batman inside.
Damn. Dat sh!t's dope.
@the_red_viper: It sounds more like they're laughing together. And that's a police car that shows up, not an ordinary car. Also, whilst it is a possibility, one can be guilty of looking too deeply into those last few panels as possible over emphasis on certain scenes.
@the_red_viper: It sounds more like they're laughing together. And that's a police car that shows up, not an ordinary car. Also, whilst it is a possibility, one can be guilty of looking too deeply into those last few panels as possible over emphasis on certain scenes.
Oh, I just noticed it's a police car and not the Batmobile.
@the_red_viper: Yeah the sirens and the sound effect are what give it away. Would have been cool if Batman brought the Batmobile and had it run Joker over :P
@the_red_viper: Yeah the sirens and the sound effect are what give it away. Would have been cool if Batman brought the Batmobile and had it run Joker over :P
Lol, I thought the "WEEEEEEE" was the engine, and I didn't notice the sirens. XD
My interpetation still stands though.
@the_red_viper: As does mine since comic books are mostly subjective experiences depending on who reads them. Agree to disagree?
@the_red_viper: As does mine since comic books are mostly subjective experiences depending on who reads them. Agree to disagree?
Yeah, of course. Most forms of literature are, when the ending is inconclusive.
@the_red_viper: I wish Moore would confirm it so that it could be settled. But of course he is basically a recluse now.
@the_red_viper: I wish Moore would confirm it so that it could be settled. But of course he is basically a recluse now.
I kinda hold a different opinion. Half the fun is developing your own point of view in my opinion.
@the_red_viper: I wish Moore would confirm it so that it could be settled. But of course he is basically a recluse now.
I kinda hold a different opinion. Half the fun is developing your own point of view in my opinion.
True but in a case like this, writer confirmation would be useful. Still, what you've just said is why I love Morrison's writing as well as Moore's because you have to look into the writing of the story.
@the_red_viper: I wish Moore would confirm it so that it could be settled. But of course he is basically a recluse now.
I kinda hold a different opinion. Half the fun is developing your own point of view in my opinion.
True but in a case like this, writer confirmation would be useful. Still, what you've just said is why I love Morrison's writing as well as Moore's because you have to look into the writing of the story.
Yeah they're both definitely in the top comic book writers ever. Moore is arguably number one IMO.
There have been so many over the years. This is the last time that I got chills from a comic book:
That was definitely an awesome moment. Did you read the 3rd issue? The ending was even better in my opinion. I can't wait to see what we have waiting for us up next.
@the_red_viper: Yes, I did! I thought that was a very cool moment too, but this one seemed more powerful to me personally. I am really curious what Forever Evil has in store for us too. There are so many storylines going on and so many tie-ins and I am excited about pretty much every one of them.
@the_red_viper: Yes, I did! I thought that was a very cool moment too, but this one seemed more powerful to me personally. I am really curious what Forever Evil has in store for us too. There are so many storylines going on and so many tie-ins and I am excited about pretty much every one of them.
Yeah, it's going to be awesome without a shade of doubt. I liked the end of the 3rd issue more because you see how a crisis can unite a group of villains so different from one another. I really think DC is gonna score with this one.
As for the tie-ins, I'm also following on Arkham War (havn't read the 2nd yet though, but they're reserving one copy for me in my local comic book store. I might go tomorrow). ARGUS seems kinda dull to be honest, and I havn't really looked into Rogues Rebellion though it looks cool.
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