Michael B Jordan speaks about Fantastic Four Controvsery

Did Josh Trank also get him that soapbox he's standing on?

So much win.

@wrglfan2814: I remember people complaining

@wrglfan2814: that's true. Definitely not at the same level.

People are still riled up by this?

...Why?

You do realize that the F4 are also called the 'First Family of Marvel'? Sue Storm and Johnny Storm don't have coincidental last names. They are brother and sister. Can this work? Yes. If the director can handle the adoption well. Do I have high hopes for it? Not with Fox's track record...

I wasn't really watching any comic based message boards when DD came out. How well was MCD received as Kingpin then?

Just shows how stupid reactions are to character changes..

@mysticmedivh: lol

skin color is irrelevant when it comes to being or not being a family

Johnny Storm isn't black. So why make him black?

God forbid you change a Black character white.

@legacy6364: To be fair, there are MUCH less minority superheroes.

Beata

@spidey_jackson:

Simply make more minority characters.

@awesam said:

Maybe. He really needs to STFU and just be the best actor he can be.

@lukehero: He's too busy shouldering the collected weight of everyone's discrimination for generations to come or whatever.

@extremis: Childish complaining over something so irrelevant.

One of these days I'll get an actual Fantastic Four movie I can admit to enjoying

But not this one

It would be funny if he was the first one to die in this movie.

Oops.

Looks like he made the nerds and the trolls mad.

Beata

@legacy6364: No. I was pointing out why your statement isn't a double standard.

There a very few minority superheroes, so whitewashing any of them(And it does happen, but no one seems care) would just make it worse.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of white superheroes however. And if one of them gets a race change that doesn't change the character in other aspects, who cares?

Beata

https://medium.com/@VariantDash/the-war-against-creators-e4996ecc978b

Meh. This article literally sums up my thoughts on this.

Except you did associate pink Hulk with homosexuals, otherwise there would be no reason to bring up homophobia.

I know what it means, I meant relatively. Pretty much what you're saying is that since the Human Torch has always been white, then why change it? Gee, that's a modern way of looking at things. (Sarcasm intended)

He's the same in every way. Your only problem is he's black. Bet you didn't get pissed off when you found out The Thing was going to be a different shade of brown. Or that he looks nothing like he does in the comics. Nah, we're just mad that they cast a black guy.

@awesam said:

You were the one that associated my not liking Michael B. Jordan being cast as the Human Torch as racism. I was simply stating that since you made this assumption you would also make the same bigoted association against me with the pink Hulk. Again, I don't care about any of that social injustice crap. I would be against turning the Hulk pink, purple, or turquoise or any color other than the classic green. It has nothing to do with anything you're trying to say. I would be against turning Luke Cage or Black Panther's race too. Or their powers, personality, etc. IT'S THE UNNECESSARY CHANGE THAT BOTHERS ME.

You are focusing way too much about the race aspect of it... I would be against ANY big change to the character. Especially when it's unnecessary. It has even been admitted that the only reason he was cast was for controversy. That is just stupid.

Again, it's more the idea of change of the character that bothers me. It's not the race aspect specifically that bothers me. Yes, I was mad that Thing looks the way that he looks. Yes, I was mad that Doom was an internet hacker. I also didn't like the cast for the rest of the FF because they are too young looking. The list goes on and on. I've been saying this the entire time, but you just want to ignore that so you can point your finger and scream "racist!" and act like an internet social injustice hero. I was upset that Johnny Storm would be cast by a black man, but that didn't turn me off to the film at all. When I heard the news about Doom, it was that moment that I started to lose hope and didn't want to see the film anymore.

This!

If we're being honest we could at least admit that Johnny's race doesn't matter at all.

It's not a defining trait at all, he could be a oriental eight foot giant and it still wouldn't matter as long as he's a flamboyant jerk.

It's not complicated folks.

You really think so?

Yep

@dagmar_merrill: But, it sorta is. It's a defining trait of the character itself.

When you think about Peter Parker what do you think? A guy with Long black hair with freckles? No. You think more than just his personality, you think about his appearance as well.

Through every single possible media he is in, Peter Parker is shown to be a white male teen with short brown hair as well as his intelligent, nerdy personality. When we think of Luke Cage, we think of a large built black male as well as his rough and caring attitude. People like the original portrayal that has been for years now.

Let's just be real, ya'll racists.

@dimitridkatsis: I'm really exaggerating for the most part but I stand behind the idea of my post.

I wouldn't care if they made Human Torch black in an alternate comic universe but they are adapting the Ultimate Universe which I think they should cast someone who looks the comic character. But if were going to cast people who don't look their characters why not cast Jack Black as Reed Richards, Zac Efron as Ben Grimm, Melissa McCarthy as Susan Storm and Jane Lynch as Dr. Doom

@heatblaze123: Please tell me the significance of a fictional characters skin?

Please tell me how his skin determines his struggles and triumphs as a character?

Please tell how his skin makes him spider-man or prevents Peter from being spider-man that has NOTHING to do with peters origin?

What's your point? We can easily say that for anything.

Please tell me the significance of a fictional character's hair?

Please tell me how his hair determines his struggles and triumphs as a character?

Please tell how his hair makes him spider-man or prevents Peter from being spider-man that has NOTHING to do with peters origin?

We should make Peter Parker bald, "because hair doesn't matter". lol

Peter Parker was born a white male, there, here's a quarter of the origin story.

@heatblaze123: Its not important.. and you just proved that because you failed to answer my question.

@dbvse7: It's important to the character itself. And yes, I did.

"Peter Parker was born a white male, there, here's a quarter of the origin story."

What a dolt. Does this goofball really think that the core problem here is him being black? No, princess, this isn't about you. It's about drastic, terribly-executed,arbitrary character changes in general, which usually involves a character's ethnicity, but isn't at all limited to ethnicity alone; not about you being black primarily. "I’ll be the one to shoulder all this hate. I’ll take the brunt for the next couple of generations." Get over yourself, kid. This isn't some burden you're nobly shouldering; it's a ridiculous trend that you were dumb enough to uphold.

@heatblaze123:

"It's important to the character itself."

In Spiderman's case, it really isn't. Peter's stories, his origin, it would all play out the same way if he was black. Are you really implying that a 'quarter' of his origin is that he's Caucasian? pfft

These movies are just adaptations, alternate versions, in a completely different medium, and made for a vast and largely diverse audience. Sometimes creators need to strip, alter, and twist aspects of a property to make it work for their respective medium. I'm sorry if you can't wrap your head around that, but that's how it is.

Sure everything can still be the same way if he was bald, that doesn't mean it should be changed, he was written as a caucasian for over 50 years, we should leave it as he is, like Luke or Spawn as black. We can also turn Luke Cage Asian and still play it out how it is in the story. Or Make Spawn latino and still plays along, these are established characters that people know and love for years. Do you think they will go as far as to alter the race of a long established highly known character? LOL. No Pfft.

As long as there are no nipples on the costumes, I'll give it a shot. Just like I did the other two FF movies (that Fox didn't recall for complete crappyness.)

He could be as crappy as Mandarin (or the other 'whitewashed' characters named above). He could just be the token black guy shoehorned in. He could be a 'bat nipples' change. He could be as great as Red from Shawshank Redemption... and it might make no difference as Doom or Sue or any of the others completely tank the movie.

We won't really know until August.

He sounds very self righteous througout to be honest.

+ this.

Nothing wrong with keeping characters true to the comics. . . . . .

@heatblaze123: No cause if you read what I said.. I said "that has NOTHING.. I repeat NOTHING to do with the origin" you did the exact opposite.

YOU make it important (for some odd reason) when it really is not.. as you clearly pointed out because you said you could do it with anything that has to do with his appearance.

@dbvse7: It was kinda a bad joke on the origin one, but whatever...stop doing change for the sake of change, leave Major characters how they are in the comics. End of story.

@rogueshadow: "Like my movie or you are racist, you loser nerds." Whatever he was trying to say got lost for me and that's what I got out of it.

Lol! Basically.