Marvel civil war: whose side are you on?

CAP!

There's a reason Wizard Magazine named Iron Man villain of the year in 2006

Umm... Civil War is over?

lol at the timing, but I read it not too long ago for the first time, so I'll answer in good spirits.

I was definitely with Cap the entire time. Having super-powered people in a mostly non-powered world does present many possible problems, but taking away people's most basic freedoms is never the answer.

@dagmar_merrill: I know. Just curious who supports who

Cap.

Captain America because first of all, I like him better than Iron Man and second, I felt like what Tony was doing was wrong.

-$NG

Cap. He had valid points and I have a large dislike for Iron Man.

Ironman was written terribly in Civil War...

During the event and how things went down, I was Cap's side. But honestly, if Cap and Iron Man had simply sat down like adults, maybe even invited Maria Hill for good measure, I feel they could have come up with a solution that would help train heroes without having them give up their identities to the government. It would have gone over better and been more well-accepted by the superhero community if both Cap and Iron Man had been involved in the creation of the SHRA.

captain america its good to see the guy going against the law for once

Hulk. So its neutral.

@thefirstlantern: Who doesn't love everybody's favorite billionaire, playboy, and philanthropist? Lol.

This too.

@wolverine08: There is something about rich characters that I don't like. That is why I don't really enjoy Batman, aside from Hush Story, I don't find him as amazing as a lot of others. Same with Iron Man, I liked him in WWH because he got owned.

@thefirstlantern:

You're biased against rich people because you're jealous! Lol.

@thefirstlantern: i guess that means you don't like reed richards either since he is insanely rich also black panther is richer then tony so you dont like him either

@ownagepants: Richards I dislike. But I find Panther much more cooler than any because he is a king, and defends Wakanda like a boss. As shown in New Avengers #9 @wolverine08: maybe Q.Q

Cap. Civil War made me hate Tony Stark for a good while.

@thefirstlantern:

Oh yeah, Black Panther beating up Black Dwarf like that was so badass!

@thefirstlantern: batman defends gotham like a boss

Wow. I'm not seein' a lot of iron man supporters here ( not that I'm one myself, mind you)

@ownagepants: Not Black Panther badass.

@wolverine08: Heck yeah it was!

@thefirstlantern: do i need to pull up pictures of the psychopaths he fights on a regular basis and for fun heres joker

@ownagepants: man, and you thought joker was deformed before

@ownagepants: I like his character more than Batman, sue me.

@thefirstlantern: i will for being wrong i am calling my lawyer right now

@ownagepants: But I can't afford a lawyer oh noes!!!!

@thefirstlantern: I'll represent you

You'll be going up against Matt Murdock.

No worries, I've got a secret weapon

Side with Captain America, Iron Man was taking away the basic rights of Super-Powered beings.

Just be glad they defend the Earth like they do, don't be a dick about it Stark.

Perhaps I'll incur the wrath of the Viners on this, but I agree with Iron Man's premise (not, however, the methods he used). I'd be pretty perturbed at the idea of anyone taking the law into their own hands (I'm looking at you, Zimmerman), much less a being who, by sheer power, can choose to ignore said laws with reckless abandon. If they wanted to fight crime and contribute to society, they need to be sworn in and be recognized by the public. As Spider-Man once said, "with great power comes great responsibility" right?Should they have to answer to the government? To an extent. Should they be beholden to the people? Definitely. If they don't want people to know who they are, don't throw yourself in the public domain.

Now, I understand if there is an interplanetary invasion or threat and superheroes want to help, then there should be no reason to even think about such things. There are always loopholes and philosophical exceptions to consider, but on the base principle I agree with IM.

There. I said it.

Please don't hurt me.

@hart7668:

I won't hurt you. Lol. You raise several valid points.

Iron Man, cause I'm an assh*le.

In all seriousness, though, the answer is Batman. He was prepping for the worst in the Batcave throughout the entire war. BEING NEUTRAL LIKE A BOSS.

@hart7668: I might argue there's a grey area (at least because I'm not 100% familiar with all laws, lol). The heroes that refuse to kill aren't exactly taking any part of the justice system into their own hands. They just "tie up" the criminals and leave it to "normal society" to prosecute & punish them. They are not being the judge, jury, or executioner. I would agree that IRL if someone suddenly had powers they wouldn't be as polished as Superman, Batman, or Spiderman, and in their good-hearted attempts people could get hurt on accident. (But I was just arguing against the perceived vigilantism - which people usually jump to when making "anti superhero" arguments - when I feel many heroes don't actually qualify as vigilantes and are doing nothing illegal).

I don't know the details, but I know California has a good-samaritan law (where you can't get brought up on chargers if you say, try to give someone CPR (despite not being certified) & they end up dying)....I wonder if the actions of Batman or Superman would fall under that.

Caps side all the way.

@wolverine08: As long as they're valid. Also thank you for not hurting me :D

Cap no one should have their identity forced upon the public to possible harm and/or ridicule they would also be protecting innocent civilians

@lightsout: There's such things as citizen's arrest, right? I suppose crime-fighting would be an extension of that, but the police officers and other such people who do this on a regular basis are sworn in by the government, whether county, state, or federal. They aren't exactly judge, jury, or (thank God) executioner - most of the time. By design they aren't, anyway.

As Ma Kent said in Superman: Earth One, Clark couldn't afford to wear a mask because when wielding as much power as he has, people had to be able to look at him and see that he had nothing to hide...or something to that effect.

Now I know it gets trickier when people like Spider-Man wear a mask, not to protect themselves, but to protect their loved ones.

@hart7668: Yes, but that would actually hurt my argument if I understand it correctly, lol. I believe with citizen's arrests you have to put up some of your personal information (like address & such), so that the possible criminal can sue you if they want. (As police officers have badge #s and can be charged that way).

@lightsout: Overall what super heroes do is a good thing. What really happened in Civil War was that a bunch of (seemingly) irresponsible kids tried to apprehend an incredibly dangerous villain very near a public place. So, perhaps instead of registration, setting age limits would be more of a priority? Maybe even some kind of maturity "training"? I dunno xD

there is a signifant, hatred for Iron Man's desicion (among viners) that is noticable without this poll. and indeed, they made Iron Man do this to give him a persona of "the character you love to hate" as well as giving a famous face to the opposition. if all the super heroes with a big name were on one side, it wouldn't bring in new readers...I think Marvel intended for people to have an extreme dislike for Iron Man's desicion. but I don't think they intended this dislike to carry weight this far into the future. there might even be people who still avoid reading Iron Man because of this action.. on the same note there might be people who are reading Iron Man because this action brought them into it.

@hart7668: Perhaps, but I think they'll always be an argument or worry that the government would use ANY sort of registration/license/etc as a means to learn personal facts about the heroes in ways that could possibly exploit & endanger them (& their missions).

Captain America.

Because I don't believe superheroes should be conscripted into government service, especially when that government will merely use them as political tools to protect it's own interests (including the bad ones) and promote it's own agenda.

Voted neutral, specifically, Luke Cage.

Luke's response was to sit in his home and wait to be arrested. This, to me, illustrated the key flaw in the legislation. They didn't care that Luke was public and they didn't wait for him to do anything super-powered. They came to his home and arrested him for having powers, not for doing anything illegal. The law made American citizens a new type of "illegal person" overnight. But Luke didn't immediately go off and start an insurrection, like Cap did.

Granted, after this scene he does go off and join Cap and the point is lost. It would have been more meaningful if he'd gone to jail and forced them to put him on trial, which would essentially be putting the law on trial. But I guess that narrative was reserved for Speedball.

Cap.

Cap-don't care about the argument or valid points, Cap is just cooler overall.

@ownagepants: Joker is trying way too hard to be scary these days. That's not intimidating, that's silly.

@powerherc: You the man, Herc.

@guardian_of_gravity: silly is jokers thing