Marvel ain't Better

DC has made some decisions that not everyone has agreed with, but lets take a look at Marvel’s past few years;


+ House of M: ewwwwww

+ Spider-man now-never-was married: ...wtf? MJ was one of the best parts of his character.

+ Civil War: ok, like 20 different titles with "Civil War" imposed on their covers, variant covers, like 6 "what if titles", a handful of good c-list solid fan based characters killed or altered forever in negative ways, all leading up to Captain America saying "i don’t wana fight anymore. you win."

+ Captain America: and after all that, he simply gets shot in the gut? And then some random "whoever kinda fits" character replaces marvels greatest hero, and does just as good a job?

+ WW Hulk: ok, since when is the Hulk mr. Unstoppable? Not too long ago, him vs Thing was a close fight. Him and She Hulk could go rounds. Him and Colossus where almost a match. And now all of a sudden he’s S0o0o bad ass that everyone in the MarvelU gets their asses kicked individually and collectively? No one should be able to go to the X-mansion and clean house. Not when the main team is there. Not when any of the teams are there. Not when the prof is there. no.


+ Red Hulk: WTF? no again. you can’t just keep adding prefixes. Green. Grey. She. whats next? transvestite Hulk? purple surprise Hulk? Ultra-Mega-Super Hulk? no wait, that was WWHulk. My bad.

+Stan Lee: genius of his time. Innovator. But why the hell is he in every movie? In every interview for the next movie? You don’t see Dio And Ozzy Osbourne at very single Rock concert. Give the man his monthly check and send him home!!!

+Marvel Zombies: just proof that Marvel can stretch out an "elseworld" on-shot into 3 series’, and their fans just keep swallowing the loads.

+Skrull Invasion: not a bad plan, though they should have created a new race or something. Just seems odd to me that the Skrull, who where last known to be chill with the human race, suddenly have the ability to mimic everyone’s powers and cloak themselves from ultra-mind readers like Professor X, and are hell bent on taking over the world and killing all the heroes. But whatever.

and finally

+The Blue Marvel: An old character from the Civil rights era who NEVER EXISTED until marvel needed to write another Bullshit story. Apparently, he is to be stronger than anything the Marvel U has ever seen before, rivaled only by his arch enemy who’s return is apparently what sparks Blue’s withdraw from retirement. So basically, Marvel just outdid Hulk and Thor and Sentry and everyone else just so....wait. i don’t know what they are getting at here. lets just assume its CRAP!!


Marvel aint better. Not this year.Not last year. They make good movies and release more comics a month cuz they have more money, and they aren’t tied up in legal battles over their important characters (Superman and Superboy, to name some). But at least DC follows its own rules, instead of re-drawing every line for a short lived shock factor.

You say Marvel isn't better..the bank says otherwise

"You say Marvel isn't better..the bank says otherwise

Marvel-1

Grim-0

BTW..from your observations it's clear you either haven't read the comics your talking about or you just skimmed through them.

"

"DC has made some decisions that not everyone has agreed with, but lets take a look at Marvel’s past few years;


+ House of M: ewwwwww

+ Spider-man now-never-was married: ...wtf? MJ was one of the best parts of his character.

+ Civil War: ok, like 20 different titles with "Civil War" imposed on their covers, variant covers, like 6 "what if titles", a handful of good c-list solid fan based characters killed or altered forever in negative ways, all leading up to Captain America saying "i don’t wana fight anymore. you win."

+ Captain America: and after all that, he simply gets shot in the gut? And then some random "whoever kinda fits" character replaces marvels greatest hero, and does just as good a job?

+ WW Hulk: ok, since when is the Hulk mr. Unstoppable? Not too long ago, him vs Thing was a close fight. Him and She Hulk could go rounds. Him and Colossus where almost a match. And now all of a sudden he’s S0o0o bad ass that everyone in the MarvelU gets their asses kicked individually and collectively? No one should be able to go to the X-mansion and clean house. Not when the main team is there. Not when any of the teams are there. Not when the prof is there. no.


+ Red Hulk: WTF? no again. you can’t just keep adding prefixes. Green. Grey. She. whats next? transvestite Hulk? purple surprise Hulk? Ultra-Mega-Super Hulk? no wait, that was WWHulk. My bad.

+Stan Lee: genius of his time. Innovator. But why the hell is he in every movie? In every interview for the next movie? You don’t see Dio And Ozzy Osbourne at very single Rock concert. Give the man his monthly check and send him home!!!

+Marvel Zombies: just proof that Marvel can stretch out an "elseworld" on-shot into 3 series’, and their fans just keep swallowing the loads.

+Skrull Invasion: not a bad plan, though they should have created a new race or something. Just seems odd to me that the Skrull, who where last known to be chill with the human race, suddenly have the ability to mimic everyone’s powers and cloak themselves from ultra-mind readers like Professor X, and are hell bent on taking over the world and killing all the heroes. But whatever.

and finally

+The Blue Marvel: An old character from the Civil rights era who NEVER EXISTED until marvel needed to write another Bullshit story. Apparently, he is to be stronger than anything the Marvel U has ever seen before, rivaled only by his arch enemy who’s return is apparently what sparks Blue’s withdraw from retirement. So basically, Marvel just outdid Hulk and Thor and Sentry and everyone else just so....wait. i don’t know what they are getting at here. lets just assume its CRAP!!


Marvel aint better. Not this year.Not last year. They make good movies and release more comics a month cuz they have more money, and they aren’t tied up in legal battles over their important characters (Superman and Superboy, to name some). But at least DC follows its own rules, instead of re-drawing every line for a short lived shock factor."

+ WW Hulk: ok, since when is the Hulk mr. Unstoppable? Not too long ago, him vs Thing was a close fight. Him and She Hulk could go rounds. Him and Colossus where almost a match. And now all of a sudden he’s S0o0o bad ass that everyone in the MarvelU gets their asses kicked individually and collectively? No one should be able to go to the X-mansion and clean house. Not when the main team is there. Not when any of the teams are there. Not when the prof is there. no.

+ Red Hulk: WTF? no again. you can’t just keep adding prefixes. Green. Grey. She. whats next? transvestite Hulk? purple surprise Hulk? Ultra-Mega-Super Hulk? no wait, that was WWHulk. My bad.

+Marvel Zombies: just proof that Marvel can stretch out an "elseworld" on-shot into 3 series’, and their fans just keep swallowing the loads.

You may think that

but marvel fans dont

the same list can be made for dc  or anyone else dude

D.C did something worse than all of that combined recently.  Killed, off, anti-monitor.   Jesus christ WTF!?!?!?!?!  Anti-monitor is DC's ultimate badass!  You can't just kill him off like that!

"D.C did something worse than all of that combined recently.  Killed, off, anti-monitor.   Jesus christ WTF!?!?!?!?!  Anti-monitor is DC's ultimate badass!  You can't just kill him off like that!"

"Dreadnaught said:

"D.C did something worse than all of that combined recently.  Killed, off, anti-monitor.   Jesus christ WTF!?!?!?!?!  Anti-monitor is DC's ultimate badass!  You can't just kill him off like that!"

Anti-Monitor isn't very popular...so..ya know."

"The Banned said:

"Dreadnaught said:

"D.C did something worse than all of that combined recently.  Killed, off, anti-monitor.   Jesus christ WTF!?!?!?!?!  Anti-monitor is DC's ultimate badass!  You can't just kill him off like that!"

Anti-Monitor isn't very popular...so..ya know."

He used to be extremely so.   Then he got nerfed, neutered, and spaded."

Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)

"Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)
"

Marvel is way better.

"TheDrifter said:

"Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)
"

IMO Vertigo is nowhere near DC or even Dynamite."

"Vance Astro said:

"TheDrifter said:

"Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)
"

IMO Vertigo is nowhere near DC or even Dynamite."

Never read Dynamite.

Whats good from them?"

Secret Invasion>>>>>>>>>>>Final Crisis

"Secret Invasion>>>>>>>>>>>Final Crisis"

"Secret Invasion>>>>>>>>>>>Final Crisis"

"Lantern Prime said:

"Secret Invasion>>>>>>>>>>>Final Crisis"

I know you hate DC but stop..."

"never give up said:

"Lantern Prime said:

"Secret Invasion>>>>>>>>>>>Final Crisis"

I know you hate DC but stop..."

Weird that someone named Lantern Prime hates DC."

DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them.

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

"the human Juggernaut said:

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

i like that fact that u can identify with marvel heroes
DC doesnt seem as realistic to me as Marvel"

"Lady Nightmare said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

i like that fact that u can identify with marvel heroes
DC doesnt seem as realistic to me as Marvel"

were talking about people that wear red underwear outside their blue spandex pants, who happen to be able to fly and freeze things with their breath.  It's not supposed to be realistic."

i like both of them and certainly dont think marvel is better.

"Lady Nightmare said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

i like that fact that u can identify with marvel heroes
DC doesnt seem as realistic to me as Marvel"

  It's not supposed to be realistic."

"the human Juggernaut said:

"Lady Nightmare said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

i like that fact that u can identify with marvel heroes
DC doesnt seem as realistic to me as Marvel"

  It's not supposed to be realistic."

It may not be realistic but that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be."

"Vance Astro said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"Lady Nightmare said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

i like that fact that u can identify with marvel heroes
DC doesnt seem as realistic to me as Marvel"

  It's not supposed to be realistic."

It may not be realistic but that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be."

that sentence doesn't make any sense.  That's like me saying "the sky isn't purple, but that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be""

"DC has made some decisions that not everyone has agreed with, but lets take a look at Marvel’s past few years;


+ House of M: ewwwwww

+ Spider-man now-never-was married: ...wtf? MJ was one of the best parts of his character.

+ Civil War: ok, like 20 different titles with "Civil War" imposed on their covers, variant covers, like 6 "what if titles", a handful of good c-list solid fan based characters killed or altered forever in negative ways, all leading up to Captain America saying "i don’t wana fight anymore. you win."

+ Captain America: and after all that, he simply gets shot in the gut? And then some random "whoever kinda fits" character replaces marvels greatest hero, and does just as good a job?

+ WW Hulk: ok, since when is the Hulk mr. Unstoppable? Not too long ago, him vs Thing was a close fight. Him and She Hulk could go rounds. Him and Colossus where almost a match. And now all of a sudden he’s S0o0o bad ass that everyone in the MarvelU gets their asses kicked individually and collectively? No one should be able to go to the X-mansion and clean house. Not when the main team is there. Not when any of the teams are there. Not when the prof is there. no.


+ Red Hulk: WTF? no again. you can’t just keep adding prefixes. Green. Grey. She. whats next? transvestite Hulk? purple surprise Hulk? Ultra-Mega-Super Hulk? no wait, that was WWHulk. My bad.

+Stan Lee: genius of his time. Innovator. But why the hell is he in every movie? In every interview for the next movie? You don’t see Dio And Ozzy Osbourne at very single Rock concert. Give the man his monthly check and send him home!!!

+Marvel Zombies: just proof that Marvel can stretch out an "elseworld" on-shot into 3 series’, and their fans just keep swallowing the loads.

+Skrull Invasion: not a bad plan, though they should have created a new race or something. Just seems odd to me that the Skrull, who where last known to be chill with the human race, suddenly have the ability to mimic everyone’s powers and cloak themselves from ultra-mind readers like Professor X, and are hell bent on taking over the world and killing all the heroes. But whatever.

and finally

+The Blue Marvel: An old character from the Civil rights era who NEVER EXISTED until marvel needed to write another Bullshit story. Apparently, he is to be stronger than anything the Marvel U has ever seen before, rivaled only by his arch enemy who’s return is apparently what sparks Blue’s withdraw from retirement. So basically, Marvel just outdid Hulk and Thor and Sentry and everyone else just so....wait. i don’t know what they are getting at here. lets just assume its CRAP!!


Marvel aint better. Not this year.Not last year. They make good movies and release more comics a month cuz they have more money, and they aren’t tied up in legal battles over their important characters (Superman and Superboy, to name some). But at least DC follows its own rules, instead of re-drawing every line for a short lived shock factor."

"the human Juggernaut said:

"Vance Astro said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"Lady Nightmare said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

i like that fact that u can identify with marvel heroes
DC doesnt seem as realistic to me as Marvel"

  It's not supposed to be realistic."

It may not be realistic but that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be."

that sentence doesn't make any sense.  That's like me saying "the sky isn't purple, but that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be""

No what you just said is ridiculous and is based on nothing it's just a random simile.Comics like any other visual entertainment is based on real life.Just because the powers and the costumes aren't realistic doesn't mean they aren't trying to make it as realistic as possible.Comics are supposed to have you believe that the story is how it would be if these people existed.All Fiction is based on non-fiction in one way or the other."

"Vance Astro said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"Vance Astro said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"Lady Nightmare said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"DC is better, i'm personally tired of marvel trying to make it so we identify with the heroes, instead of looking up to them."

i like that fact that u can identify with marvel heroes
DC doesnt seem as realistic to me as Marvel"

  It's not supposed to be realistic."

It may not be realistic but that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be."

that sentence doesn't make any sense.  That's like me saying "the sky isn't purple, but that doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be""

No what you just said is ridiculous and is based on nothing it's just a random simile.Comics like any other visual entertainment is based on real life.Just because the powers and the costumes aren't realistic doesn't mean they aren't trying to make it as realistic as possible.Comics are supposed to have you believe that the story is how it would be if these people existed.All Fiction is based on non-fiction in one way or the other."

Then by your logic DC and Marvel are equally "realistic""

a) All companies sell great titles, it's all about tastes

b)One of the main reasons that Marvel sells more is that DC's executive producer (Dan Dildo) sucks as a salesman and as a writer. His ways of trying to bring succesful sales to titles is patetic and the fact that he wants to push in many different titles (most of them the ones that he edits) push things that aren't well received by fans, seriouslñy, I shouldn't be afraid to give a Teen Titans comic to a 10 years old.

c)Marvel being more realistic than DC is pure bullsh!t in my opinion, have been saying this for awhile, am I really supposed to believe that someone with the powers of Spider-man struggles to get money? One thing is relatable and the other is realistic.

d) Secret Invasion is boring and lacks a good story or relevance if you compare it to any event of DC this year, I understand that some people like the action in it but the story is what makes an event good.

e) Like Giffen so well put it "When did Marvel become the house of someone else's ideas?"

"a) All companies sell great titles, it's all about tastes

b)One of the main reasons that Marvel sells more is that DC's executive producer (Dan Dildo) sucks as a salesman and as a writer. His ways of trying to bring succesful sales to titles is patetic and the fact that he wants to push in many different titles (most of them the ones that he edits) push things that aren't well received by fans, seriouslñy, I shouldn't be afraid to give a Teen Titans comic to a 10 years old.

c)Marvel being more realistic than DC is pure bullsh!t in my opinion, have been saying this for awhile, am I really supposed to believe that someone with the powers of Spider-man struggles to get money? One thing is relatable and the other is realistic.

d) Secret Invasion is boring and lacks a good story or relevance if you compare it to any event of DC this year, I understand that some people like the action in it but the story is what makes an event good.

e) Like Giffen so well put it "When did Marvel become the house of someone else's ideas?""

c)Yea because superheroes pulling the moon with a chain is much more realistic.

"Vance Astro said:

c)Yea because superheroes pulling the moon with a chain is much more realistic.

It's more "realistic" than a lot of Dr. Strange, Thor, and Silver Surfer comics.

But since when are comics supposed to be realistic?"

"Nighthunter said:

"a) All companies sell great titles, it's all about tastes

b)One of the main reasons that Marvel sells more is that DC's executive producer (Dan Dildo) sucks as a salesman and as a writer. His ways of trying to bring succesful sales to titles is patetic and the fact that he wants to push in many different titles (most of them the ones that he edits) push things that aren't well received by fans, seriouslñy, I shouldn't be afraid to give a Teen Titans comic to a 10 years old.

c)Marvel being more realistic than DC is pure bullsh!t in my opinion, have been saying this for awhile, am I really supposed to believe that someone with the powers of Spider-man struggles to get money? One thing is relatable and the other is realistic.

d) Secret Invasion is boring and lacks a good story or relevance if you compare it to any event of DC this year, I understand that some people like the action in it but the story is what makes an event good.

e) Like Giffen so well put it "When did Marvel become the house of someone else's ideas?""

a) Agreed.

b)Also Agreed....

c)Yea because superheroes pulling the moon with a chain is much more realistic.

d)The sales chart says otherwise.

"

"Vance Astro said:

"Nighthunter said:

"a) All companies sell great titles, it's all about tastes

b)One of the main reasons that Marvel sells more is that DC's executive producer (Dan Dildo) sucks as a salesman and as a writer. His ways of trying to bring succesful sales to titles is patetic and the fact that he wants to push in many different titles (most of them the ones that he edits) push things that aren't well received by fans, seriouslñy, I shouldn't be afraid to give a Teen Titans comic to a 10 years old.

c)Marvel being more realistic than DC is pure bullsh!t in my opinion, have been saying this for awhile, am I really supposed to believe that someone with the powers of Spider-man struggles to get money? One thing is relatable and the other is realistic.

d) Secret Invasion is boring and lacks a good story or relevance if you compare it to any event of DC this year, I understand that some people like the action in it but the story is what makes an event good.

e) Like Giffen so well put it "When did Marvel become the house of someone else's ideas?""

a) Agreed.

b)Also Agreed....

c)Yea because superheroes pulling the moon with a chain is much more realistic.

d)The sales chart says otherwise.

"

Any superpower takes the realistic part out of the equation, their powers automatically make it impossible to take it as something possible, no matter how big the power levels are. I'm talking about how they are potrayed, realistically speaking, if Superman existed and you were there infront of him, would you look up to him or think that you can relate to him? Same for SPider-man, love them or hate them, you would want to be like them and you wouldn't think that they are like you in any way, this is how DC writes their characters.

What do sales have to do with originality?"

this is from an old blog I did, helps to explain my point

Now everything is a matter of opinion, many people do claim that Marvel is more realistic than DC, whetever that's true or not I don't know, but my opinion begs to differ.

This argument is based that the marvel characters pretty much have the same problems as a regular guy (Spider-man needing a job to pay the rent a very good example). Now while I like this take on some of the characters because they can easily identify themselves with their heroes, however I think that many people seem to overlook how DC makes their characters realistic using a completely different angle.

DC makes his characters deal with the ones of any normal human (death, divorce, betrayal,etc) while at the same time treats it's heroes to make the reader perceive how they feel among normal men, being most of them practically gods that walk among them.

The DC universe has become such a dificult place to live that the heroes have accepted that no matter how powerful or skilled they are, eventually they won't be able to come back but that yet, they are ready to jump into battle in order to save the day because that's the right thing to do.

What I love about DC's take on it's characters are how they make them imperfect (even Superman has flaws of doing the right thing every single time) they have to encounter many impossible odds and even so make a realistic take on these wonderful characters, not in their powers but in how they act.

This has also proven to be one of the best years of DC in a long time, with Final Crisis, Batman R.I.P, the sequel of Kingdom Come, etc right now and with Superman: New Krypton, Batman: Battle for the cowl, Flash Rebirth, Blackest Night, etc you can see that DC has quite a few plans for most of their big franchises.

And I thought you were talking about my Giffen comment, btw Invasion is boring, it started with some hype as everyone could be an enemy and it was then thrown out down the toilet with the decisions they made along the way. Oh but there's a story, a good one too; the skrulls think that god wants them to conquer so they try to do it....how entertaining. <

BTW am I supposed to be impressed by the changes of Dark Reign? Nova and Thunderbolts are already post secret invasion and we know that the heroes won after the "big climatic battle where friends and enemies unite for the common good" (lame, predictable, expected and cliche). Norman is now considered a hero...wasn't he even before SI started? right....

You like SI for the same reason you like Hulk (or RULK, whatever) it has action, is boring and it is a spit in the face for the characters in it.

Another thing I find funny about some marvel supporters (not saying you are one of these) is that they argue that DC is worse because they don't have a continuity because everything is retconned according to them, yet secret invasion is full of retconns while final crisis isn't and none of them complain, they basically applaud this move.

While I enjoy both Marvel and DC, (admittedly I like Marvel more), I've been bored with Final Crisis. Secret Invasion did'nt even grab my attention....

The thing that bothers me is that one way or another an idiot (no offense to anyone here) is going to compare the two and try to find nit-picky flaws.

Civil War was awesome, as was Kingdom Come...
They're TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES who each bring something to the table the other does'nt have.

@Nighthunter

"TheDrifter said:

"Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)
"

IMO Vertigo is nowhere near DC or even Dynamite."

"Vance Astro said:

"TheDrifter said:

"Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)
"

IMO Vertigo is nowhere near DC or even Dynamite."

IMO:

Marvel and DC.
Image."

I DONT HNOW WHO STARTED THIS CRAP BUT THERE SERIOUSLY MESSED UP IN THE HEAD!!

"John Valentine said:

"Vance Astro said:

"TheDrifter said:

"Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)
"

IMO Vertigo is nowhere near DC or even Dynamite."

IMO:

Marvel and DC.
Image."

Image is pretty good.

Vertigo is underrated for there story-telling but there art sucks."

"I DONT HNOW WHO STARTED THIS CRAP BUT THERE SERIOUSLY MESSED UP IN THE HEAD!!"

"TheDrifter said:

"John Valentine said:

"Vance Astro said:

"TheDrifter said:

"Marvel : 1

Grimm : 0


MARVEL IS THE BEST
(with vertigo as second)
"

IMO Vertigo is nowhere near DC or even Dynamite."

IMO:

Marvel and DC.
Image."

Image is pretty good.

Vertigo is underrated for there story-telling but there art sucks."

Isn't Vertigo just a DC imprint?

I read a few issues of Y: The Last Man, I liked it, but too much other stuff has my interest.

mage is quite good, I especially like The Walking Dead."

Klkl.

I like Thunderbolts, I have a couple of issues post Civil War: great team.

Do you still like Moon Knight?


Invincible is ok IMO.

As far as feats of physical ability though...you cannot deny that DC\Wildstorm do not consider how unrealistic and sometimes inconsistent their physical ability feats are.Now Marvel has some pretty ridiculous ones but I don't think any on the level of impossibility as DC."

You say Secret Invasion is boring..I think Final Crisis is boring.Not only do I not have any idea what is going on..nothing that has happened yet has come as a surprise or moved me in any kind of way at all.At least in the begginning SI had the suspense factor.

"

You have no idea what is going to happen in Dark Reign..your making assumptions about something that isn't even out yet and that there is barely solicitations for.Your not supposed to be impressed by anything you haven't seen yet.

Yeah, I still like Moon Knight.

Thunderbolts has been awesome but I severely want them to bring Zemo back