Man of Steel or The Winter Soldier

@novi_homines: He has, you for whatever reason just won't admit it. And your wrong about Superman destroying a ton of building in the final fight with Zod, I know because I watched the movie yesterday, and before that a dozen times, Zod destroys one building with his heat vision, Zod destroys a parking lot building by throwing a big rig truck at it, Zod destroys a satellite, not once does Superman use his powers to destroy a building in the final fight.

Your honestly going to blame Superman for the actions of Zod based solely on him just being here? You need a better argument than that. It wasn't Superman's choice to be sent to Earth, nor was it to have the codex implanted in his DNA, Superman didn't realize he accidentally showed Zod how to get to Earth, Zod would have terraformed Earth into Krypton with or without Superman being there. And Superman could have let Zod destroy that ship that was heading to the World engine, he had the choice between the humans or kryptonians, and he chose humans. And to call again, Superman gave himself up to the humans, and let them decide whether to give him to Zod or not. That's pretty selfless right there.

If anything the humans will love Superman for saving that family when he killed Zod, and that whole thing about saving the world, but whatever.

WS by a landslide. Its superior in every way.

Sentient means able to feel and perceive...it doesn't have anything to do with thinking. So since sun eater can feel pain, like Doomsday, they are sentient. How is Imperiex a different matter? He killed him....along with Brainiac, and Doomsday (again). Why is that ignored? And yes, I know Superman refuses to kill in almost every situation, but you can't just write off the situations in which he has and then crucify MoS for doing the same. Also, no, I don't want Superman to start killing whenever he 'feels' he must. If he kills anymore in the movies, I'll be right there with you. But, this one time, and for the reasons he had, and the fact that it was Zod, i'm able to forgive and see the creative reasoning behind it. In my opinion it didn't break his character anymore then the other times he has killed or gone a more vigilante route. And Batman's morals are just as strong as Superman's IMO, he is just more lax on inflicting pain and fear.

So killing a genocidal monster to save billions of lives makes Superman a monster? So...Batman is a monster too, right?

It is your opinion though.

Exactly. I actually feel that if some random deus ex machine, like an unknown second phantom zone projector, or random kryptoninte had been introduced, a lot of the same people complaining about the killing would instead be complaining about bad writing. A lot of comic book style narrative does not translate well to film, especially the type of films DC is trying to make.

If I can remember captain america was in a killing spree in the 1st 30 mins. Of the movie..sups kills one guy..at the very end of the movie and hell breaks open on his character actions..forreal everyone complaining about zod needs to end. .MOS had more action as well as a more inspirational motive..what more do you need from a superman movie? ..more love dialog? Better chemistry with sub actors..? Give me a break..people who complain about to much action in an action made movie just needs to stick to females movies..

@darthaznable: My opinion is superior. ;)

@lone_wolf_and_cub: Said everyone on the internet ever.

@lvenger: so this guy must think he is ebert and roeper and can write and direct a better story than nolan, Zach and david..obviously since only his options matter about how a superman film should be displayed...smh

@monsterstomp: lol ...I swear I have repeated that like three times on this thread....he killed zod after he depowered zod on human levels on superman 2...I mean zod wasn't even a threat at that point...now that was no remorse...

@transformaa: No I just understand what Superman is about and how he should act. And that film was not inspirational in the slightest. It was one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen in my life. But what do you expect when your favourite character is butchered, deconstructed and torn apart in his character and morality on screen. If you don't understand my problems with the film then sorry, but you don't understand Superman in the slightest.

Who is this "everyone" you speak of? ;)

@lvenger: Because your view of Superman > anyone elses. The movie is polarizing but I know avid Superman fans who can sympathize with the characters plight. You really want the movie to be the exact same? Then just read the comic. Simple as that. In many ways it signifies what this Superman will do to preserve humanity. Hell I remember him killing 3 kryptonians pre 52 from an issue that's like over 2 years old. After that he made a vow...much like the one he'll make in the upcoming Superman/Batman and other Superman movies. If you honestly have to nitpick at one small event, you're letting your fandom cloud your mind.

@darthaznable: I'm not nitpicking the film, it has gaping flaws that cannot be helped but noticed. And no, I don't want the movie to be the same as the comic, I want the movie to respect the comics. Like the Marvel films do. And as for the scene you cite, that was exceptionally poor writing from Bryne. Superman kills the Pocket Universe Kryptonians who have already been depowered and are no longer a threat to the world, goes mad, exiles himself and thus follows a period of poor writing on Bryne's part for that sloppy mistake. Mark Waid wrote a good piece on how stupid and ridiculous that writing was. And the vow he'll make in the SM/BM will be devoid of meaning and a pathetic cop out in a thinly veiled attempt to give justification for Superman's no killing code when the code was already justifiable under its own merits. Superman should preserve humanity above all else but he should never do so by killing. It desecrates the morality of the character and makes his ethics seem baseless given that he's committed a terrible act already and stooped down to his villain's level. It's a sad excuse for Superman when people think his ethics are fine with him killing and ending life when Superman preserves life above all else. That's what Superman stands for and the movie's discarding of such values mean that their attempt to reintroduce them will be unjustifiable given what he's done in MOS. That's not just fandom talking, that's a genuine and serious flaw with the film when it fails to understand the main character and what he stands for.

@lvenger: This is just me, but I really dislike that heroes aren't put into more impossible situations were they might have to kill or be killed, if a hero wants to stop a bad guy he has the ability to call stronger heroes for back-up, or prisons on Earth that could lock-up the likes of Superman, or could be trapped into the phantom zone, etc... What I really liked about Superman taking Zod's life to save that family is it shows he is willing to do anything to save the people of Earth. I used to think after that Superman would have a reason for his no-kill-policy, but you don't need to kill someone to learn killing is bad, so I think it would be redundant if Superman decided no more killing. Not that I would want to see Superman kill again in SvB.

You might not like MOS, but I do like it for it being grounded, realistic, dramatic, amazing, and even inspiring. Superman in the comics has the moral bar set soooooo godly high that no one could ever be that perfect, but in MOS the bar is lowered to a more reasonable height.

Going back to what I said before, I really, really enjoyed TDK Returns for that reason, Batman is on his own essentially and he's feed up with the Joker, so when he finally catches up to him, they have this big final fight were Batman almost dies. Batman then breaks Joker's neck, he doesn't kill him, but he almost does. He even says it himself, I think..., that he should have done that a long time ago. I'm especially tired of hearing Batman needs the Joker, as if he loves him, Batman looks upon Joker with nothing but disgust imo.

@ccraft: Then you're missing the point of Superman entirely. That's what I find to be the case with a lot of supporters of the Zod killing I'm afraid.

Definitely Winter Soldier.

@lvenger: I like that Superman is the way he his in his comics, he's my second favorite character of all time, sure I'm lacking in the Superman section of my comic book collection, but I still like him. imo in MOS he's not far off from being that character that people could look up to in that universe, that's what I've been trying to say. He's going to be a beloved hero in the next film, there's no doubt about that.

Winter Soldeir: Cinematic Gold

Man of Steel: Kick to the balls

I liked both, but neither lived quite to expectations for me.

Both had amazing villains, but Bucky didn't get nearly enough screen time. Both had strong visuals and good supporting casts. The beginning of Man of Steel is a little hazy, whereas TWS was very well defined all throughout.

I have plenty of complaints and compliments about both films, and it's hard to say which I liked better...

I'm gonna go with Man of Steel... but I like Superman a lot more than Captain America. I think Man of Steel gets way more negative flak than it deserves.

Too many DC fanboys on CV. Oh and TWS completly punishes.

Winter Soldier by a small margin.

But, beteeen TFA and MOS (first film to first) MOS by a wide margin.

Tie. I loved them both, I just can't choose.

On one hand, The Winter Solider was a Better Movie

On the other, I'm kind of a Superman Fanboy.

So, yeah it's a tie for me.

liked man of steel more, but the winter solder was the better move.

Both were good but I like WS more. MoS had good story and action but it was so serious it dragged to me, it felt like it was 1/2 hour too long. Btw I love the Zod neckbreak.

Hahaha, i love your honesty!

THIS! IS THE TRUTH!

I can give countless reasons why this isn't true

@technobacon2014: what a super man fan boy who will admit cause they know no one will judge. Omg it's the end.

@lvenger: ..They aren't making them to be the best adaptation ever. They're trying to appeal to the General Audience, not just us comic fans.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

CA:TWS but not by much, I can recall more of MoS than TWS.

TWS owns MOS. MOS puts me to sleep.

TWS

Man of steel, by far.

Man of steel .

..Has anyone realized that Man of Steel completely Neglected Freeze Breath?

I agree

Hmmm...Superman's return to glory or the movie with the annoyingly obvious political social commentary? The movie about the guy everyone calls a boringly-invincible mary-sue, or the movie about the guy who actually is a boringly-invincible mary-sue? MAN OF MOTHERF*$%ING STEEL, BITCHES!

So did Young Justice.

MoS is a good movie, but Superman isn't really meant to be "dark and gritty" like that, from what I know of him at least (@lvenger I know is a pretty big Superman fan, or at least very knowledgeable, so maybe I'm wrong), so the tone of the film was off for me. Still, as a non-Superman fan I still enjoyed the film.

However, Winter Soldier is like Dark Knight where it is a good film that happens to feature comic characters. Sure it has it's flaws, but Winter Soldier is just a great film.

To put it in simple terms: I liked MoS, I loved Winter Soldier.

@amazingwebhead: Seriously, you miss the old costume but don't mind what Snyder did to Superman in this film?

The Winter Soldier for me.

Like I said, only 4 CB movies top MOS, and Winter Soldier isn't one of them.

Winter Soldier obliterates.

TWS, by a mile.

- TAS

Ha.

TWS.

Still need to buy both on Blu-Ray

@captainmarvel4ever: What, made him less "perfect" and more "human"? (so-to-speak) Give him a compelling character arc?