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"It's been so long that I forgot the pain of not having a name. Everyone had a name that friends use to call them, but I didn't. That pain."

Kenpachi Zaraki in "THE UNDEAD"
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"Consume everything, demon of the blood-thirsty sword." - Tite Kubo

Kenpachi Zaraki (更木 剣八, Zaraki Kenpachi) is the current captain of the 11th Division in the Gotei 13. He is the eleventh Kenpachi to hold the position.

Strength/Striking Power

Kenpachi is really strong. His main power is his immense striking power.

Brake through a wall while patched while his real power is still limited.

Takes his eye-patch out and can cut down buildings with indirect attacks.

Destroy multiple buildings in a last attack/confrontation with Ichigo.

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Knock Yammy off his feet with a indirect attack while still eye-patched.

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Kenpachi creates a earthquake

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Lift a mountain size rock with his reiatsu and cut it in half

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Can carry 3 Sternritter (two humans and a Gorilla-man) in his shoulders without braking a sweat.

Destroy multiple buildings with a single attack against Yhwach (yeah it was the real one as said in the dagger).

Destroys half a fortress-like mountain with a indirect attack.

Opens himself a way on what it looks like... well... reality (if anyone has another explanation please share it with me, cause how the hell do you explain that).

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Speed

While he possesses no known skill in Shunpo, Kenpachi is deceptively fast for his size and build.

Thanks to his tremendous raw power, Kenpachi's leg strength allows him to more than make up for his lack of Shunpo, allowing him to move fast enough to instantly close a huge gap of space between him and his opponent, and even seemingly disappear from sight.

Ichigo lost complete sight of him even though at that time Ichigo had FTL reflexes (he reacted to a cero):

He has good reflexes:

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Reacts casually to a Cero from Nnoitra (Cero travel to the speed of light)

No one see him approach when he step between Tesla and Ichigo:

Keep up with Byakuya when fighting Yammy,

Keep up with Ichigo when attacking stark,

Speed Blitz Giriko

Cut in half a missile shot to him:

Keep up with Candice in speed while wounded:

Endurance

His physical strength and speed is matched by his resilience.

Kenpachi often ignores most of the injuries he sustains in battle (much like a berserker), not suffering any debilitation despite having multiple slash wounds in his body.

During his battle with Tousen and Komamura he received attacks from both captain's shikai and he was fine

He allowed himself to be stabbed during his fight with Tōsen just to grab Tōsen's blade to dispel his Bankai's effect.

In his battle with Nnoitra after receiven a lot of damage he was fighting without problem

Even after receiving grievous injuries which left him in a comatose state, he recovered only days later, well enough to resume training.

After his arm was completely twisted he was still perfectly fine and he didn't even drop his sword.

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Durability

As resilient as Kenpachi is, he is just as hard to damage.

During his battle against Yammy, while Kenpachi was focusing his attention on Ichigo, Yammy delivered a powerful blow with his massive fist, launching Kenpachi several meters and smashing him into a large pillar. Despite the impact, Kenpachi quickly emerged unfazed, claiming it was only a "decent punch" and Yammy needed to "put some effort in it".

Something that people hasn't appear to notice yet is that Kenpachi was close when Yamamoto used his bankai who had a temperature of 15 millions grades. During his battle with Gremmy, slice lava aside as a annoyance

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Kenpachi escaped from being trapped under water, under the mountain-like fortress without being able to breathe really easy.

Smashed under rocks and a giant arm,

fired upon by dozens of firearms and having missiles thrown at him,

withstood the vacuum of space where it only destroy one of his organs,

having several clones of Gremmy self-destruct at point-blank range with only moderate injuries.

Received two lightning bolts and a punch from Candice "The Thunderbolt" and Meninas "The Power"

now you are surely wondering why is this impressive? well this is impressive because he was nerfed in every single way, he was half deaf and one of his organs was destroyed, plus remember the sternrittern could decided how much power she was using in a lightning, normal lightnings can start a direct fire because the temperature is 90,032°F which is 9 times hotter than the surface of the sun. It is fast too, at 186,000 miles per second- the speed of light, it can reach distances of over 40 land miles in fractions of a second. Lightning Damage Consulting | Electro-Mechanical Recertifiers, Inc.

And he was still fine though he couldn't move at the time a few hours later he was perfectly fine.

Skills

Kenpachi did not attend the Shin'ō Academy, cannot use Bankai, and has no apparent skill (or interest) in Kidō. However, he more than makes up for his faults with his sheer power and endurance, easily making him one of the strongest Shinigami in Soul Society.

Master Swordsman: Due to the lawlessness of the Zaraki district, Kenpachi's skill with his sword has been honed to a masterful level, letting him strike multiple times with changes of attack type (from slash to pierce) without any difficulty. While still a child, his prowess was great enough to single-handedly produce a huge pile of adult corpses and wound Retsu Unohana, the 1st Kenpachi, in battle. His unpolished skills, but immense might with his sword allow him to always fight with one hand free, only using both hands when facing opponents he feels will beat him otherwise, as shown with Nnoitra and momentarily Ichigo. As the captain of the 11th Division, which specializes in sword fighting, he is among the most, if not the most, proficient swordsmen in all of Soul Society.

Kendō: Kenpachi possesses considerable knowledge and skill in Kendō, which Yamamoto forced him to learn before officially joining the Gotei 13, though the training only lasted a day out of fear that Zaraki would become too powerful.

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However, Kenpachi, who despises using skills and techniques learned from another source, only uses Kendō as a last resort.

  • Ryōdan (両断, Bisection): A technique which Kenpachi uses when he is gripping his sword with two hands. It allows one to split an opponent down the middle
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Hand-to-Hand Combat Expert: While preferring to use his blade in battle, Kenpachi has proven several times to be very dangerous while barehanded. He can easily catch an opponent's attack with a single hand, perform powerful punches and kicks, and easily subdue opponents with throws and take-downs. Kenpachi easily overwhelmed several members of the Onmitsukidō, a corp of Hakuda-specialists, despite being battle-worn.

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Personality

After killing Unohana and finally learning the name of his Zanpakutō, Kenpachi has become somewhat calmer and more focused. Though he retains his desire to battle and is not overly interested in the details of his missions beyond fighting people, he is more willing to listen to reason, having backed down from searching for his missing lieutenant on his own when Nanao Ise explained to him why it would be more practical to have his division conduct the search instead. He also takes his position as Kenpachi seriously, telling Gremmy Thoumeaux that there is nothing the latter can create that he cannot cut because the power his title implies is not to be taken lightly. Additionally, he is far more willing to show his concern for Yachiru than he was in the past; when he discovers she is missing, Kenpachi frantically orders his men to begin looking for her in a rare case of him exercising his authority as a captain.

Equipment

Eyepatch Power Seal: Kenpachi wears an eyepatch, created by the Shinigami Research and Development Institute just for him, which seals the bulk of his Reiryoku. Since he has so much power, however, it does not noticeably hinder him in battle; in fact, he remains just ahead of most other captains. His reason for wearing it is since he loves fighting so much, he cannot fight most opponents at full strength without defeating them quickly. Seventeen months after Aizen's defeat, Kenpachi wears a new eyepatch.

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Reiatsu/Reiryoku

Immense Spiritual Power: Even by a captain's standards, his Reiryoku is absolutely monstrous. Kenpachi has fought on par with two other captain-level opponents while still wearing his energy-sealing eye patch and his opponents releasing their Zanpakutō's Bankai. Ganju Shiba estimated his sealed power to be close or at the same level as Byakuya Kuchiki's Reiatsu.

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Similar to Ichigo, when unleashing a strong enough surge of energy, it becomes visible and yellow in color, sometimes with the appearance of a skull.

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After his battle with Unohana, Kenpachi possesses much more control over his Reiryoku, and can use it to stand in midair like other Shinigami.

Unruly Reiatsu Control: His spiritual energy can affect entire areas to the point of disrupting energy attacks from enemies, and cause others from seemingly miles away to enter a state of paralysis and confusion. Kenpachi can exert enough Reiatsu to repel the poison of Konjiki Ashisogi Jizō.

  • Damage Resistance: He can use it as a sort of armor, making it impossible for him to be harmed by anyone not at his level of power. This is first demonstrated when Ichigo tries to cut Kenpachi at the start of their fight. Kenpachi allows Ichigo to strike him, yet not only does he fail to cut him, but Ichigo's hands start to bleed because of it. This can be compared to an Arrancar's Hierro.
  • Shock Wave: He possesses enough control to focus and unleash his spiritual pressure in the form of a powerful shock wave. When using both hands, his shock wave can have a huge radius of destruction.
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  • Energy Wave: By striking at the ground, Kenpachi can create an overflowing wave of yellow spiritual energy, which surges forward before crashing into Kenpachi's target.
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Also in the Novel: Spirits are Forever with You, it take place in the time skip time of the 17 months of Bleach. It was revealed some very interesting things about Post Time Skip Kenpachi's reiatsu.

相手の强さに合わせて自分のレベルを调整する。、 爱染が崩玉を覚醒させて不灭の肉体を持つまでは 戦うべきではないと判断して隔离作をとったほどの强さ。 また、痣城の更木に対する胜率は1割だと予测する。

To match the strong of the opponent to adjustment your own levels. , Strong enough 爱染 took 隔离 work it is determined that should not fight until with a body of non-Flashing aroused the Kuzure-dama. In addition, 胜率 against Saraki of Aza-jo I to 予测's 10%.

シエンは自分と戦っているこの剣八なら バラガンの呪いを切り裂りさくこともできるし スタークの牙も臓腑に届くこともないと断言。 事実、シエンが无数の剣八のミニチュアを作り 内蔵の远隔破壊をしようとするも ミニチュアの内蔵自体が异常に硬くて伤一つつかなかった。

Assistance assert that not even that Stark Fang also reach the internal organs and can either be fence 裂Ri cut the curse of Barragan if this sword bees are fighting with myself. In fact, the assistance is a miniature of the built-in itself, even to try sword eight of creating a miniature built-in 远隔 destruction of 无数 wrote a stick one wound is hard to abnormal.

终盘の痣城戦では数百にも及ぶ多重一刀火葬を受けても たいしたダメージは与えられないレベルとなった。 ついには空気と融合しているはずの痣城を 空気ごと切ってダメージを与え、 刳屋敷を倒した生体融合をも霊圧のみで打ち破った。

Much damage even under a multi-cut with a sword cremation, which also extends to several hundred in Aza-jo game of 终盘 it became not given level. Eventually damage the Aza-jo that should have been fused to the air and cut each air, we have Uchiyabu only Rei圧 also a biological fusion defeated mansion clock.

痣城が瀞霊邸との融合を解除して双极を遥かに上回る矛をつくり出し、 剣八がそれを両手で迎え撃ったとき、 一般队士たちは両者の霊圧をまったく感じられなくなっていた。

Aza-jo is create a pike exceeding much a bi-pole to release the fusion of the Toro Spirit House, when the sword bees were Mukaeu~tsu it with both hands, general 队士 we have no longer felt any spiritual pressure of both It was.

现在のオサレ眼帯は昔の10倍の霊圧吸引力。

Osare eyepatch the old days of the 10 times the spirit pressure suction attraction of now.

The translation is really bad if anyone has a better translation i will post it here.

Tite Kubo's postscript about the Novel:

part of the Novel you can read it here and the rest you can buy it in amazon.

Bleach: Spirits Are Forever With You I &II by Zanpakuto-Leader on DeviantArt

The manga actually follows a continuation of the Novel.

His actual Reiatsu lv while still patched make him so powerful that his subordinates, can't feel it.

and Mayuri doesn't even feel his presence.

And while he was a kid Unohana couldn't feel his presence either.

The reason of this is bc his reiatsu is so strong that it affect the abilities of perception and disrupt everyone's reiatsu and abilities at a determined range, similar to what Ichigo did to Rukia at the beginning of the series but in a much more larger scale.

Stats

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Kenpachi's Battle Data, clockwise. Top: Offense (100), Top Right: Defense (80), Bottom Right: Mobility (60), Bottom: Kidō (0), Bottom Left: Intelligence (50), Top Left: Physical Strength (100). Total: 390/600.

Zanpakutou

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Shikai: Norazashi

Kenpachi's shikai increase his striking power way beyond the charts to the point that he blow up a meteor that was going to destroy the whole Seireitei with a single blow.

Now what makes this so impressive?

Fan calc coming up, here i'm calculating the max possible area/circumference of the seireitei with data given in the movie and manga.

In the movie Bleach: Fade To Black

According to the Bleach Movie "Fade to Black" Seireitei is 400 ri for it's diameter.

Kubo over seed the production of this movie by the way.

Bleachness - Kubo Interview from FTB movie guide!

Calculating the Area:

400 ri = 200 ri for radius

Pi = 3.14

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A≈ 125663.706144 Square Ri approximately.

Now his Circumference is.

C=2 π r

C≈1256.63706144

All of this is in Spirit Ri that if it is equal to human ri it would be 3066.1944299 Square Miles.

Now If you don't like to believe in the movie we can take the manga

"From chapter 76, Yoruichi states the four main entrances of Seireitei are 10 days walk apart. Given that humans tend to walk at 3.0 mi/hr."

List of people who have walked across the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

each of Seireitei's gates is supposedly a 10 day walk apart. For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to proceed under the assumption that Seireitei is essentially a circle with four equidistant points along its perimeter, and that walking distance means taking the most direct path from one gate to another (ie., traveling along the perimeter). That means 40 days of walking to start at a given gate, travel the circumference of Seireitei, and return to the same gate.

Average walking speed for a human is 3 mi/h. We'll say that if you're walking, you'll be taking breaks to eat, rest your muscles, take care of your bodily functions, sleep, etc. Let's say they will spend 12 walking hours everything else sleeping and eating.

3 mi/h * 12 h/day = 36 mi/day

circumference of Seireitei = 36 mi/day * 40 days = 1440 mi

circumference = 2 pi * r

-> 1440 mi = 2pi * r

-> r = ~114.649681529 so Seireitei is about 229.299363058 mi in diameter.

area of Seireitei = pi * r^2

-> pi * (114.649681529)^2 = 41294.8200642 sq mi

But if you are not into that bc scale which it doesn't actually matter cause Kubo don't actually draw to scale

Now that makes Gremmy's meteor which is close to the size of seireitei that large. Then you have to factor in density and the fact it was moving at subsonic to supersonic (Meteors enter the atmosphere at speeds ranging from 11 km/sec(25,000 mph), to 72 km/sec (160,000 mph!).) speeds given it's flames.

Now what would be his destructive power?

If a 23 miles in diameter minimum meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs was country level then something close to 720 miles (probably less) is easily continental to multi continental.

If You Think That Dino-Killing Asteroid Was Big, Wait Till You Hear About This Whopper

In other words if that thing hits the ground there wasn't going to be seireitei, rukongai or anything in there.

Making Kenpachi's feat really impressive since when he attacked there wasn't nothing left of it.

Bankai:

Not yet archieved/revealed. Tite Kubo says he will archive bankai in this new saga.

Early 2012 interview with Tite Kubo (SPOILERS) - AnimeNation Forums

Intelligence

Highly Perceptive Combatant: Despite his seeming disregard for any strategy in his fights and his self-admitted aversion to thinking during battle, Kenpachi is a very insightful man, regularly showing more understanding than one would expect. Even Byakuya was impressed by Kenpachi's ability to understand things he has no personal experience with. While he admits to having no sanity or common sense, Kenpachi is very perceptive, noticing traits in people others would not notice, and seeing what drives a person's actions. He correctly singles out Kaname Tōsen and Gin Ichimaru as the only captains who are afraid to die.

He is very adept at finding and exploiting weaknesses in his opponents' techniques, such as in his battle with Kaname Tōsen, where he subdued the latter's Bankai while armed only with a Zanpakutō and the one sense left accessible by Tōsen's Bankai at the time - touch. He is adept at adjusting to his opponent's attack patterns and battle methods to better counter them. He possesses sharp intuition towards incoming danger, as shown by his ability to repeatedly dodge Tōsen's assault while still affected by his Bankai.

Zaraki also theorized during his battle with Gremmy Thoumeaux that if the concentration of his "The Visionary" shifts towards himself instead of others, the effects that his ability had on Yachiru, making her bones into cookies, would disappear.

Others thing that you didn't know:

  • Kenpachi has limiters in his Reiatsu that he block and unlock during a fight to actually have more fun with them, as it happen first with Ichigo when he lowered a little bit his Reiatsu to fight him and ended up in a draw, or increase his reiatsu strong enough to fight Nnoitra. In other words this guy is a walking Power Lv increasing and decreasing unconsciously. Thanks to @princearagorn1 for remember it me.
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  • Kenpachi though he has a really bad sense of direction he can locate a person's reiatsu and track him down without problems. Thanks to @princearagorn1 for remember it me.
  • Is the second person that Aizen didn't wanted to have a direct confrontation without having a immortal body (being Yamamoto the first one) as Tite and Norita stated in the Bleach novel "May The Spirits Be With You"

This is on-going. If you had another feat for Kenpachi tag me and I post it here.

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Cool.

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@andr413 said:

Cool.

when i finish with this one i'm gonna do one for madara

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Hmm. Is tagged for a non battle. Interesting.

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Needs Zaraki defeating Zaraki.

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@mrdevil: This is good. Im using Kenny as we speak in a tourney

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@boschepg said:

@mrdevil: This is good. Im using Kenny as we speak in a tourney

send me a link so i can read it.

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@mrdevil: I like this. hmmm I often see how bleach feats are ignored. in all reality such a feat of meteor busting with a single casual (still patched) no effort upwards slash really is on par with ... hmmm let's say top tier dc of s certain verse. Kenny is a powerhouse.

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@mrdevil: I like this. hmmm I often see how bleach feats are ignored. in all reality such a feat of meteor busting with a single casual (still patched) no effort upwards slash really is on par with ... hmmm let's say top tier dc of s certain verse. Kenny is a powerhouse.

yeah i know special someone i know that says some character are way beyond Kenpachi and no back it up.

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Pretty good job

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@mrdevil: Good job. Well done thread. Of course we know what certain people will have a problem with this lol

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#18  Edited By MrDevil

@mrdevil: Good job. Well done thread. Of course we know what certain people will have a problem with this lol

thanks.

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#19  Edited By Ratava

way too much flawed abc-logic and powerscaling, the meteor one is especially stupid. i really hope nobody takes that serious

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@ratava said:

way too much flawed abc-logic and powerscaling, the meteor one is especially stupid. i really hope nobody takes that serious

haters gonna hate

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@mrdevil said:
@ratava said:

way too much flawed abc-logic and powerscaling, the meteor one is especially stupid. i really hope nobody takes that serious

haters gonna hate

so i hate because i dont agree with your flawed powerscaling? cool

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@ratava said:
@mrdevil said:
@ratava said:

way too much flawed abc-logic and powerscaling, the meteor one is especially stupid. i really hope nobody takes that serious

haters gonna hate

so i hate because i dont agree with your flawed powerscaling? cool

post why you think something is wrong then you stop being a hater. otherwise you are just like vivas.

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@mrdevil said:
@ratava said:
@mrdevil said:
@ratava said:

way too much flawed abc-logic and powerscaling, the meteor one is especially stupid. i really hope nobody takes that serious

haters gonna hate

so i hate because i dont agree with your flawed powerscaling? cool

post why you think something is wrong then you stop being a hater. otherwise you are just like vivas.

it starts with the meteor size, only way to determine that is by using a vague statement and how you interpret that.

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#24  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

1. Kenpachi also took komamura's attack without trouble, which did impressive damage when he attacked aizen.

2. you could also mention the subconscious limiters which he recently lifted with unohana.

3. Lol at the continent level meteor calc fail though, considering the entirety of bleach cast going all out can't do any notable damage to a legit country on neutral ground. But oh well, it's your thread.

4. Durability section could also use his explanation of why ichigo can't cut him - what he unconsciously releases is higher than the blade ichigo created with his intent to kill.

5. If I recall correctly, he can also sense a fight going on near him. He did back when ichigo sneaked into soul society.

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@ratava said:
@mrdevil said:
@ratava said:
@mrdevil said:
@ratava said:

way too much flawed abc-logic and powerscaling, the meteor one is especially stupid. i really hope nobody takes that serious

haters gonna hate

so i hate because i dont agree with your flawed powerscaling? cool

post why you think something is wrong then you stop being a hater. otherwise you are just like vivas.

it starts with the meteor size, only way to determine that is by using a vague statement and how you interpret that.

seriously? i used 10 days from the manga and 400 ri from the movie both were very close.

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#27  Edited By MrDevil

@princearagorn1 said:

1. Kenpachi also took komamura's attack without trouble, which did impressive damage when he attacked aizen.

2. you could also mention the subconscious limiters which he recently lifted with unohana.

3. Lol at the continent level meteor calc fail though, considering the entirety of bleach cast going all out can't do any notable damage to a legit country on neutral ground. But oh well, it's your thread.

4. Durability section could also use his explanation of why ichigo can't cut him - what he unconsciously releases is higher than the blade ichigo created with his intent to kill.

5. If I recall correctly, he can also sense a fight going on near him. He did back when ichigo sneaked into soul society.

  1. yeah is in there man,
  2. true i'm gonna do that
  3. dude Intention of the author > databooks > statement in the manga > scans in the manga > anime and movies as long as don't differ from the manga and databooks, > us. I used the statements in manga and movie to calculate that. also Kenpachi > most of the other captains even while patched. and the captains were trashing the city as a side effect of their battles.
  4. I did it in the reiatsu section
  5. true i'm gonna post that as well.
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@mrdevil: You don't have to mention me in the op :)

Also

"dude Intention of the author > databooks > statement in the manga > scans in the manga > anime and movies as long as don't differ from the manga and databooks, > us"

Calcs don't have a place anywhere there. Especially when they outright contradict the on panel portrayal repeatedly.

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@mrdevil: Nice fail at that meteor calc LOL

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#31  Edited By kuroimugetsu

1). I'm just gunna come out and say it. they don't want bleach to become stronger ...

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@princearagorn1 said:

@mrdevil: You don't have to mention me in the op :)

Also

"dude Intention of the author > databooks > statement in the manga > scans in the manga > anime and movies as long as don't differ from the manga and databooks, > us"

Calcs don't have a place anywhere there. Especially when they outright contradict the on panel portrayal repeatedly.

my calc are based on the intention of the author, and what is stated in manga and movie (btw i leave there a link that shows how Tite work on the movie). In other words is not differing form the data they give us.

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@mrdevil: Nice fail at that meteor calc LOL

I don't see any fail, also if you don't like it you can make a calc that shows how i'm wrong or get the fuck out of here.

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@mrdevil said:
@thevivas said:

@mrdevil: Nice fail at that meteor calc LOL

I don't see any fail, also if you don't like it you can make a calc that shows how i'm wrong or get the fuck out of here.

Of course you don't, it's your biased calc where you want people to wank him just like you. I don't have to do another fan calc to prove your fan calc wrong. The fact that is IS a fan calc is already bad enough. Now stop wanking Bleach characters, you're giving their fans a bad name.

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@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

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@thevivas said:
@mrdevil said:
@thevivas said:

@mrdevil: Nice fail at that meteor calc LOL

I don't see any fail, also if you don't like it you can make a calc that shows how i'm wrong or get the fuck out of here.

Of course you don't, it's your biased calc where you want people to wank him just like you. I don't have to do another fan calc to prove your fan calc wrong. The fact that is IS a fan calc is already bad enough. Now stop wanking Bleach characters, you're giving their fans a bad name.

Sure when @hulkage did his calc out of nowhere you didn't say anything. Narutard.

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

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@mrdevil said:
@thevivas said:
@mrdevil said:
@thevivas said:

@mrdevil: Nice fail at that meteor calc LOL

I don't see any fail, also if you don't like it you can make a calc that shows how i'm wrong or get the fuck out of here.

Of course you don't, it's your biased calc where you want people to wank him just like you. I don't have to do another fan calc to prove your fan calc wrong. The fact that is IS a fan calc is already bad enough. Now stop wanking Bleach characters, you're giving their fans a bad name.

Sure when @hulkage did his calc out of nowhere you didn't say anything. Narutard.

@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

- I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.

- The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.

- Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?

- Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.

A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.

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@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

  1. - I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.
  2. - The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.
  3. - Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?
  4. - Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.
  5. A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.
  1. I never say he was stronger than dangai Ichigo, at least in reiatsu but dangai Ichigo is featless.
  2. I just calculate the size of the seireitei, the meteor is supposed to destroy the entire seireitei and possible even more.
  3. Information:

    This equation models kinetic energy,

    img

    where M = mass of the meteorite in kilograms (kg)

    s= velocity of the meteorite in meters per second (meters/sec)

    How fast do meteorites typically travel? The average is about 20,000 meters/sec, = 12 miles per sec so let’s use that value for s.

    Let's see if we can do it for this. The average meteorite is 20,000 (meters.sec) so we got the possible speed. The meteor in the panels looks like half of the size of the seireitei possible 1440. So we got speed and we need mass.

    So is 0.5Ms^2 = 0.5 x 1440 x 12^2 = 103,680 of Kinetic Energy.
    1. Mass Calculator
  4. Actually the explosion was as big as the mountain/fortress.
  5. So that means that The Last isn't canon? Cause Kubo was more into the movie than Kishimoto who only created the character and the techniques.
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@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

  1. - I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.
  2. - The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.
  3. - Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?
  4. - Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.
  5. A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.
  1. I never say he was stronger than dangai Ichigo, at least in reiatsu but dangai Ichigo is featless.
  2. I just calculate the size of the seireitei, the meteor is supposed to destroy the entire seireitei and possible even more.
  3. Information:

    This equation models kinetic energy,

    img

    where M = mass of the meteorite in kilograms (kg)

    s= velocity of the meteorite in meters per second (meters/sec)

    How fast do meteorites typically travel? The average is about 20,000 meters/sec, = 12 miles per sec so let’s use that value for s.

    Let's see if we can do it for this. The average meteorite is 20,000 (meters.sec) so we got the possible speed. The meteor in the panels looks like half of the size of the seireitei possible 1440. So we got speed and we need mass.

    So is 0.5Ms^2 = 0.5 x 1440 x 12^2 = 103,680 of Kinetic Energy.
    1. Mass Calculator
  4. Actually the explosion was as big as the mountain/fortress.
  5. So that means that The Last isn't canon? Cause Kubo was more into the movie than Kishimoto who only created the character and the techniques.

1. Dangai Ichigo has destroyed mountains (small ones though) with his swings.

2. Point is, you can't calculate mass of the meteor, and calculating kinetic energy requires you to know the meteor's mass, not it's diameter (a completely different - and in regards to the formula, irrelevant - value.) Also, you'd be wrong to assume the meteor was traveling at that speed considering it literally manifested with flames already on it, meaning it didn't build up speed and the flames weren't indicative of friction; it was just imagined like that. There's not even a speed you can estimate it with, especially considering that it's larger than the average meteor and you don't know the weather conditions of Seireiti, the determining factor in re-entry speeds/speed of foreign objects entering an atmosphere.

3. What explosion? The missile's? And which mountain fortress are you talking about? If it's the same one as I am (the place where Kenny and Gremmy were fighting) then that was not mountain sized area.

4. No, much of The Last was was written by Kishimoto and even incorporated into the manga as an official chapter, thus it's canon.

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You should add when Kenpachi's spiritual energy alone lifted the fortress that was on top of him in Diamond Dust Rebellion, as well as he slices a rather large tower in half.

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@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

  1. - I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.
  2. - The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.
  3. - Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?
  4. - Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.
  5. A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.
  1. I never say he was stronger than dangai Ichigo, at least in reiatsu but dangai Ichigo is featless.
  2. I just calculate the size of the seireitei, the meteor is supposed to destroy the entire seireitei and possible even more.
  3. Information:

    This equation models kinetic energy,

    img

    where M = mass of the meteorite in kilograms (kg)

    s= velocity of the meteorite in meters per second (meters/sec)

    How fast do meteorites typically travel? The average is about 20,000 meters/sec, = 12 miles per sec so let’s use that value for s.

    Let's see if we can do it for this. The average meteorite is 20,000 (meters.sec) so we got the possible speed. The meteor in the panels looks like half of the size of the seireitei possible 1440. So we got speed and we need mass.

    So is 0.5Ms^2 = 0.5 x 1440 x 12^2 = 103,680 of Kinetic Energy.
    1. Mass Calculator
  4. Actually the explosion was as big as the mountain/fortress.
  5. So that means that The Last isn't canon? Cause Kubo was more into the movie than Kishimoto who only created the character and the techniques.

1. Dangai Ichigo has destroyed mountains (small ones though) with his swings.

2. Point is, you can't calculate mass of the meteor, and calculating kinetic energy requires you to know the meteor's mass, not it's diameter (a completely different - and in regards to the formula, irrelevant - value.) Also, you'd be wrong to assume the meteor was traveling at that speed considering it literally manifested with flames already on it, meaning it didn't build up speed and the flames weren't indicative of friction; it was just imagined like that. There's not even a speed you can estimate it with, especially considering that it's larger than the average meteor and you don't know the weather conditions of Seireiti, the determining factor in re-entry speeds/speed of foreign objects entering an atmosphere.

3. What explosion? The missile's? And which mountain fortress are you talking about? If it's the same one as I am (the place where Kenny and Gremmy were fighting) then that was not mountain sized area.

4. No, much of The Last was was written by Kishimoto and even incorporated into the manga as an official chapter, thus it's canon.

  1. True but that would be actually bc of his reiatsu, you see he didn't destroy it he vaporize them, his zapakuto is of fire and in his dangai form he is literally him transforming in that, that's why he did it. Al least that's the way I see him. and the reason he stopped Aizen is bc he had a lot more of reiatsu.
  2. that's why i used the normal speed of a meteor, remember he imagined a meteor falling from the sky, when he imagined the missile and kenpachi cut it in half he literally imagined perfectly as we could see it in the inside of the missile.
  3. check the images.
  4. @jeepeh says the movies and some of that stuff were mentioned in the manga recently.
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@mrdevil said:
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@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

  1. - I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.
  2. - The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.
  3. - Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?
  4. - Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.
  5. A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.
  1. I never say he was stronger than dangai Ichigo, at least in reiatsu but dangai Ichigo is featless.
  2. I just calculate the size of the seireitei, the meteor is supposed to destroy the entire seireitei and possible even more.
  3. Information:

    This equation models kinetic energy,

    img

    where M = mass of the meteorite in kilograms (kg)

    s= velocity of the meteorite in meters per second (meters/sec)

    How fast do meteorites typically travel? The average is about 20,000 meters/sec, = 12 miles per sec so let’s use that value for s.

    Let's see if we can do it for this. The average meteorite is 20,000 (meters.sec) so we got the possible speed. The meteor in the panels looks like half of the size of the seireitei possible 1440. So we got speed and we need mass.

    So is 0.5Ms^2 = 0.5 x 1440 x 12^2 = 103,680 of Kinetic Energy.
    1. Mass Calculator
  4. Actually the explosion was as big as the mountain/fortress.
  5. So that means that The Last isn't canon? Cause Kubo was more into the movie than Kishimoto who only created the character and the techniques.

1. Dangai Ichigo has destroyed mountains (small ones though) with his swings.

2. Point is, you can't calculate mass of the meteor, and calculating kinetic energy requires you to know the meteor's mass, not it's diameter (a completely different - and in regards to the formula, irrelevant - value.) Also, you'd be wrong to assume the meteor was traveling at that speed considering it literally manifested with flames already on it, meaning it didn't build up speed and the flames weren't indicative of friction; it was just imagined like that. There's not even a speed you can estimate it with, especially considering that it's larger than the average meteor and you don't know the weather conditions of Seireiti, the determining factor in re-entry speeds/speed of foreign objects entering an atmosphere.

3. What explosion? The missile's? And which mountain fortress are you talking about? If it's the same one as I am (the place where Kenny and Gremmy were fighting) then that was not mountain sized area.

4. No, much of The Last was was written by Kishimoto and even incorporated into the manga as an official chapter, thus it's canon.

  1. True but that would be actually bc of his reiatsu, you see he didn't destroy it he vaporize them, his zapakuto is of fire and in his dangai form he is literally him transforming in that, that's why he did it. Al least that's the way I see him. and the reason he stopped Aizen is bc he had a lot more of reiatsu.
  2. that's why i used the normal speed of a meteor, remember he imagined a meteor falling from the sky, when he imagined the missile and kenpachi cut it in half he literally imagined perfectly as we could see it in the inside of the missile.
  3. check the images.
  4. @jeepeh says the movies and some of that stuff were mentioned in the manga recently.

1. Either way, you'd be arguing that Kenpachi is stronger than Ichigo by a significant margin. Are you really saying Kenny didn't use any of his reiatsu to destroy the meteor?

2. The normal speed of an average meteor entering Earth's atmosphere doesn't apply to a supernaturally large meteor spontaneously appearing in the atmosphere of an alternate dimension and already being on fire despite not undergoing air resistance from falling through the upper atmosphere.Most importantly, you still don't know the meteor's mass, the important part.

His imagining the missile perfectly is highly subjective since we can't even clearly compare the details and internal structure of that missile to a real life one from which it was obviously intended to be patterned after.

3. The explosion didn't even cover the entirety of the fortress which is no where the size of a mountain.

4. The Valley of Screams from Memories of Nobody was mentioned in an offhand remark, nothing else. It doesn't suggest everything in that movie, let alone all Bleach movies, were canon.

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@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

  1. - I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.
  2. - The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.
  3. - Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?
  4. - Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.
  5. A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.
  1. I never say he was stronger than dangai Ichigo, at least in reiatsu but dangai Ichigo is featless.
  2. I just calculate the size of the seireitei, the meteor is supposed to destroy the entire seireitei and possible even more.
  3. Information:

    This equation models kinetic energy,

    img

    where M = mass of the meteorite in kilograms (kg)

    s= velocity of the meteorite in meters per second (meters/sec)

    How fast do meteorites typically travel? The average is about 20,000 meters/sec, = 12 miles per sec so let’s use that value for s.

    Let's see if we can do it for this. The average meteorite is 20,000 (meters.sec) so we got the possible speed. The meteor in the panels looks like half of the size of the seireitei possible 1440. So we got speed and we need mass.

    So is 0.5Ms^2 = 0.5 x 1440 x 12^2 = 103,680 of Kinetic Energy.
    1. Mass Calculator
  4. Actually the explosion was as big as the mountain/fortress.
  5. So that means that The Last isn't canon? Cause Kubo was more into the movie than Kishimoto who only created the character and the techniques.

1. Dangai Ichigo has destroyed mountains (small ones though) with his swings.

2. Point is, you can't calculate mass of the meteor, and calculating kinetic energy requires you to know the meteor's mass, not it's diameter (a completely different - and in regards to the formula, irrelevant - value.) Also, you'd be wrong to assume the meteor was traveling at that speed considering it literally manifested with flames already on it, meaning it didn't build up speed and the flames weren't indicative of friction; it was just imagined like that. There's not even a speed you can estimate it with, especially considering that it's larger than the average meteor and you don't know the weather conditions of Seireiti, the determining factor in re-entry speeds/speed of foreign objects entering an atmosphere.

3. What explosion? The missile's? And which mountain fortress are you talking about? If it's the same one as I am (the place where Kenny and Gremmy were fighting) then that was not mountain sized area.

4. No, much of The Last was was written by Kishimoto and even incorporated into the manga as an official chapter, thus it's canon.

  1. True but that would be actually bc of his reiatsu, you see he didn't destroy it he vaporize them, his zapakuto is of fire and in his dangai form he is literally him transforming in that, that's why he did it. Al least that's the way I see him. and the reason he stopped Aizen is bc he had a lot more of reiatsu.
  2. that's why i used the normal speed of a meteor, remember he imagined a meteor falling from the sky, when he imagined the missile and kenpachi cut it in half he literally imagined perfectly as we could see it in the inside of the missile.
  3. check the images.
  4. @jeepeh says the movies and some of that stuff were mentioned in the manga recently.

1. Either way, you'd be arguing that Kenpachi is stronger than Ichigo by a significant margin. Are you really saying Kenny didn't use any of his reiatsu to destroy the meteor?

2. The normal speed of an average meteor entering Earth's atmosphere doesn't apply to a supernaturally large meteor spontaneously appearing in the atmosphere of an alternate dimension and already being on fire despite not undergoing air resistance from falling through the upper atmosphere.Most importantly, you still don't know the meteor's mass, the important part.

His imagining the missile perfectly is highly subjective since we can't even clearly compare the details and internal structure of that missile to a real life one from which it was obviously intended to be patterned after.

3. The explosion didn't even cover the entirety of the fortress which is no where the size of a mountain.

4. The Valley of Screams from Memories of Nobody was mentioned in an offhand remark, nothing else. It doesn't suggest everything in that movie, let alone all Bleach movies, were canon.

  1. In brute strength no but is possible. IDK
  2. We would need to calculate it.
  3. It cover up most of the mountain size fortress
  4. which chapter cause i can't quite remember it.
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@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

  1. - I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.
  2. - The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.
  3. - Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?
  4. - Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.
  5. A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.
  1. I never say he was stronger than dangai Ichigo, at least in reiatsu but dangai Ichigo is featless.
  2. I just calculate the size of the seireitei, the meteor is supposed to destroy the entire seireitei and possible even more.
  3. Information:

    This equation models kinetic energy,

    img

    where M = mass of the meteorite in kilograms (kg)

    s= velocity of the meteorite in meters per second (meters/sec)

    How fast do meteorites typically travel? The average is about 20,000 meters/sec, = 12 miles per sec so let’s use that value for s.

    Let's see if we can do it for this. The average meteorite is 20,000 (meters.sec) so we got the possible speed. The meteor in the panels looks like half of the size of the seireitei possible 1440. So we got speed and we need mass.

    So is 0.5Ms^2 = 0.5 x 1440 x 12^2 = 103,680 of Kinetic Energy.
    1. Mass Calculator
  4. Actually the explosion was as big as the mountain/fortress.
  5. So that means that The Last isn't canon? Cause Kubo was more into the movie than Kishimoto who only created the character and the techniques.

1. Dangai Ichigo has destroyed mountains (small ones though) with his swings.

2. Point is, you can't calculate mass of the meteor, and calculating kinetic energy requires you to know the meteor's mass, not it's diameter (a completely different - and in regards to the formula, irrelevant - value.) Also, you'd be wrong to assume the meteor was traveling at that speed considering it literally manifested with flames already on it, meaning it didn't build up speed and the flames weren't indicative of friction; it was just imagined like that. There's not even a speed you can estimate it with, especially considering that it's larger than the average meteor and you don't know the weather conditions of Seireiti, the determining factor in re-entry speeds/speed of foreign objects entering an atmosphere.

3. What explosion? The missile's? And which mountain fortress are you talking about? If it's the same one as I am (the place where Kenny and Gremmy were fighting) then that was not mountain sized area.

4. No, much of The Last was was written by Kishimoto and even incorporated into the manga as an official chapter, thus it's canon.

  1. True but that would be actually bc of his reiatsu, you see he didn't destroy it he vaporize them, his zapakuto is of fire and in his dangai form he is literally him transforming in that, that's why he did it. Al least that's the way I see him. and the reason he stopped Aizen is bc he had a lot more of reiatsu.
  2. that's why i used the normal speed of a meteor, remember he imagined a meteor falling from the sky, when he imagined the missile and kenpachi cut it in half he literally imagined perfectly as we could see it in the inside of the missile.
  3. check the images.
  4. @jeepeh says the movies and some of that stuff were mentioned in the manga recently.

1. Either way, you'd be arguing that Kenpachi is stronger than Ichigo by a significant margin. Are you really saying Kenny didn't use any of his reiatsu to destroy the meteor?

2. The normal speed of an average meteor entering Earth's atmosphere doesn't apply to a supernaturally large meteor spontaneously appearing in the atmosphere of an alternate dimension and already being on fire despite not undergoing air resistance from falling through the upper atmosphere.Most importantly, you still don't know the meteor's mass, the important part.

His imagining the missile perfectly is highly subjective since we can't even clearly compare the details and internal structure of that missile to a real life one from which it was obviously intended to be patterned after.

3. The explosion didn't even cover the entirety of the fortress which is no where the size of a mountain.

4. The Valley of Screams from Memories of Nobody was mentioned in an offhand remark, nothing else. It doesn't suggest everything in that movie, let alone all Bleach movies, were canon.

  1. In brute strength no but is possible. IDK
  2. We would need to calculate it.
  3. It cover up most of the mountain size fortress
  4. which chapter cause i can't quite remember it.

1. Ok, point is that we both agree Dangai Ichigo should be stronger than Kenny.

2. Way too many variables and assumptions would need to be made to find the mass.

3. Prove the fortress is mountain sized.

4. Chapter 625.

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@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:
@mrdevil said:
@etheral_dreams said:

@mrdevil: I doubt the meteor has continent level firepower (there are several problems with the calc, but that's another issue), and even if it did, when Kenpachi destroyed the meteor he only managed to destroy the actual mass (not even all of it; there was a sh*tton of debris.) The meteor would only have caused said destruction if it hit the ground; at that point not all of it's potential energy was converted to kinetic energy.

Kenpachi didn't overcome or absorb the energy of the meteor; he just destroyed the mass, which is still a solid high island level feat, allowing for country level Bleach top tiers. Not continent level though.

An example: Let's say a Hellfire missile is fired at you and you somehow manage to destroy it and fragment the pieces. Hellfire missiles are capable of blowing up tanks; does that mean you can now definitively destroy a tank? No, because the energy stored in the missile is not equal to the energy needed to destroy the mass of the missile (which is only ~104 lbs or 47 kg.) The energy needed to destroy 104 lbs of metal will not significantly damage a tank.

Point is, calculate the mass of the meteor (which you can't even do; too many unknown variables like density, material, space within the meteor, irregularities in shape, ect) not it's kinetic/potential energy. Otherwise characters' have massively inflated power levels. On top of all that, this seems to be an outlier considering characters far stronger than Kenpachi like Dangai Ichigo and Aizen have only showed mountain level destruction, and he has failed to kill characters with durability far below island level based off feats.

If Kenpachi and other high tiers consistently put out feats on this level, then we can say that they're on this level. For now, it's an outlier that requires several assumptions that would still only put him on island level.

Good thread nonetheless.

I say country to continental. And yeah Kenpachi did leave a lot of fragments but he destroyed a hypersonic speed meteor and leave pieces the size of a apparment (more or less).

As I say before Country to Continental (bc of his possible destructive power of the meteor) comparing it with other meteors). the meteor is big island to country lv size.

Kenpachi destroyed missiles and received mountain lv explosion as shown in there without his shikai.

I calculated the size of the seireitei not the meteor to know how big is the meteor who was a little more of the half of the seireitei. I don't get the other part.

Thanks.

  1. - I still think this is an outlier (you can't even deny that unless you want to say Kenpachi is stronger than Dangai Ichigo), and the meteor is only the size of large island.
  2. - The possible destructive power of the meteor is irrelevant, the mass is what's important. And you are unable to calculate the mass without making a lot of assumptions. Like I said, the energy needed to destroy the meteor =/= mechanical energy of the meteor. Side note: It's impractical to assume the meteor was moving at hypersonic speeds despite the flames because the way Gremmy's power works, things appear as he imagines them. He could have simply imagined the meteor having flames around it, and it even makes less sense that a meteor that spontaneously appeared in the atmosphere would already have caught on fire due to friction.
  3. - Missiles are building level, and I think you're misinterpreting my analogy. When did he survive mountain level attacks?
  4. - Exactly. There are problems with the calc of Seireiti's size, and I'm still looking for an official statement that says Fade to Black is canon. For example, Akira Toriyama oversaw a lot of designing and stuff in DBGT, but it's uncannon. He also oversaw many of the games and even the anime adaption of DBZ, and both of those things are uncannon to the original manga, save a few, specified exceptions stated by Akira himself.
  5. A. Kubo never stated that Fade to Black is canon, and B. His being involved in production, design, and even script writing doesn't make it canon.
  1. I never say he was stronger than dangai Ichigo, at least in reiatsu but dangai Ichigo is featless.
  2. I just calculate the size of the seireitei, the meteor is supposed to destroy the entire seireitei and possible even more.
  3. Information:

    This equation models kinetic energy,

    img

    where M = mass of the meteorite in kilograms (kg)

    s= velocity of the meteorite in meters per second (meters/sec)

    How fast do meteorites typically travel? The average is about 20,000 meters/sec, = 12 miles per sec so let’s use that value for s.

    Let's see if we can do it for this. The average meteorite is 20,000 (meters.sec) so we got the possible speed. The meteor in the panels looks like half of the size of the seireitei possible 1440. So we got speed and we need mass.

    So is 0.5Ms^2 = 0.5 x 1440 x 12^2 = 103,680 of Kinetic Energy.
    1. Mass Calculator
  4. Actually the explosion was as big as the mountain/fortress.
  5. So that means that The Last isn't canon? Cause Kubo was more into the movie than Kishimoto who only created the character and the techniques.

1. Dangai Ichigo has destroyed mountains (small ones though) with his swings.

2. Point is, you can't calculate mass of the meteor, and calculating kinetic energy requires you to know the meteor's mass, not it's diameter (a completely different - and in regards to the formula, irrelevant - value.) Also, you'd be wrong to assume the meteor was traveling at that speed considering it literally manifested with flames already on it, meaning it didn't build up speed and the flames weren't indicative of friction; it was just imagined like that. There's not even a speed you can estimate it with, especially considering that it's larger than the average meteor and you don't know the weather conditions of Seireiti, the determining factor in re-entry speeds/speed of foreign objects entering an atmosphere.

3. What explosion? The missile's? And which mountain fortress are you talking about? If it's the same one as I am (the place where Kenny and Gremmy were fighting) then that was not mountain sized area.

4. No, much of The Last was was written by Kishimoto and even incorporated into the manga as an official chapter, thus it's canon.

  1. True but that would be actually bc of his reiatsu, you see he didn't destroy it he vaporize them, his zapakuto is of fire and in his dangai form he is literally him transforming in that, that's why he did it. Al least that's the way I see him. and the reason he stopped Aizen is bc he had a lot more of reiatsu.
  2. that's why i used the normal speed of a meteor, remember he imagined a meteor falling from the sky, when he imagined the missile and kenpachi cut it in half he literally imagined perfectly as we could see it in the inside of the missile.
  3. check the images.
  4. @jeepeh says the movies and some of that stuff were mentioned in the manga recently.

1. Either way, you'd be arguing that Kenpachi is stronger than Ichigo by a significant margin. Are you really saying Kenny didn't use any of his reiatsu to destroy the meteor?

2. The normal speed of an average meteor entering Earth's atmosphere doesn't apply to a supernaturally large meteor spontaneously appearing in the atmosphere of an alternate dimension and already being on fire despite not undergoing air resistance from falling through the upper atmosphere.Most importantly, you still don't know the meteor's mass, the important part.

His imagining the missile perfectly is highly subjective since we can't even clearly compare the details and internal structure of that missile to a real life one from which it was obviously intended to be patterned after.

3. The explosion didn't even cover the entirety of the fortress which is no where the size of a mountain.

4. The Valley of Screams from Memories of Nobody was mentioned in an offhand remark, nothing else. It doesn't suggest everything in that movie, let alone all Bleach movies, were canon.

  1. In brute strength no but is possible. IDK
  2. We would need to calculate it.
  3. It cover up most of the mountain size fortress
  4. which chapter cause i can't quite remember it.

1. Ok, point is that we both agree Dangai Ichigo should be stronger than Kenny.

2. Way too many variables and assumptions would need to be made to find the mass.

3. Prove the fortress is mountain sized.

4. Chapter 625.

  1. Stated as that but other people don't like it bc he is too powerful.
  2. Yeah.
  3. The fact that the thing is way bigger than the rest of skycrapper.
  4. ok thanks

Also you mean this?

that would make it canon since is mentioned in there. but the last was never mentioned in the manga.

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people don't like that kenny has more fire power now. smh

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People don't like it now that Kenny is wanked beyond measure, you mean.

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Needs Zaraki defeating Zaraki.

Is in there.

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People don't like it now that Kenny is wanked beyond measure, you mean.

it isn't wank if it is a feat you like or not.

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You should add when Kenpachi's spiritual energy alone lifted the fortress that was on top of him in Diamond Dust Rebellion, as well as he slices a rather large tower in half.

just did it.

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@mrdevil: Amazing stuff Mr. Devil, keep up the good work ^_^