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Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a huge fan of Venom, but I have to say I was extremely skeptical a few months ago when Sony announced their plans to move forward with a Venom film. As much as I love the character, having a film focus just on Eddie Brock and the tale of the symbiote would be incredibly difficult to pull off and even harder to sell to the general audience. However, now that I've seen (and enjoyed) The Amazing Spider-Man, I think a Venom film actually makes a lot of sense in this newly established world and hopefully it will help us forget all about his lackluster appearance in Spider-Man 3.

Based on a few select quotes from the people involved, it sounds like the movie will merge elements from Venom's history in the 616 universe (that's the regular one you know and love) and the Ultimate (1610) universe. The Amazing Spider-Man's producer, Avi Arad, told Hollywood.com, "It's an Eddie Brock story," and added, "We want to be as close to the comics as possible. Especially in Eddie Brock's story. But again, pseudo-science is becoming science." So far it's definitely looking like everything in The Amazing Spider-Man's universe is revolving around science. Needless to say, having an alien symbiote randomly crash land in the Big Apple wouldn't fit very well with the tone. That would be like giving Bane his luchador looking costume in Christopher Nolan's dark and gritty Batman movieverse. It just wouldn't work. In order to give the symbiote an organic fit in this universe, they'd need to connect it to a more realistic means, and it just so happens that's exactly the case in the 1610 universe.

In the Ultimate universe it's not called the Venom symbiote, but instead it's dubbed "The Suit." The dark substance was created by none other than Peter Parker's dad, Richard Parker -- yeah, the guy The Amazing Spider-Man established as having a mysterious past with groundbreaking experiments. Peter's papa worked diligently with Eddie Brock Sr. to create a suit that would cure cancer, but Trask Industries (conveniently replace this with "Oscorp" for the movie) thought it could be used as a weapon and took control of the project. Sometime later, both are killed in the plane crash.

Now we have a scientific approach to the slimy substance, but what about the man under the suit? In the 1610 world, Edward Brock Jr. is a college student attending Empire State University. He worked with Dr. Curt Connors to continue his father's work on The Suit. Pete wanted to destroy The Suit (after wearing it for a bit and losing control), and this didn't sit well with Brock at all. He thought The Suit was all he had left of his father and loathed Peter for wanting to destroy it. This could be translated extremely well into Oscorp - especially if it takes place before Connors turns into the Lizard - but there's one key problem: the producers implied they want Eddie Brock to more like his 616 counter-part.

"He was a journalist. He had the wrong story, he got in trouble for it, he got fired," says producer Matthew Tolmach about the classic Spider-Man villain. 616 Brock has a totally different story than his 1610 doppelganger. Brock reports on the villain called Sin Eater and makes a story announcing the identity of the serial killer. But, shortly later, the real Sin-Eater is captured by Spider-Man. Brock's life ends up in the gutter. He loses his job (and reputation), goes through a divorce and instead of blaming himself, he points the finger at Spider-Man for all of his troubles. Seeing as we know the Daily Bugle exists in The Amazing Spider-Man's world (spotted a newspaper by the subway entrance and they have a TV news station), it's possible the story could follow Brock working as a reporter there.

The story of Ultimate Venom's powers meshes well with the science oriented world of Amazing Spider-Man and Eddie Brock can fit perfectly into the already existing Daily Bugle. From there, it's up to the magical minds of the screenwriters to have The Suit slither onto Brock after Spider-Man reveals the true identity of the Sin Eater (or does something else to prove his story false and turn Brock emotastic). And speaking of Spider-Man, I'm confident that Andrew Garfield would be up for sharing some screen time in the film (after all, he said he'd love to appear in Marvel's The Avengers). No matter how popular Venom is among comic fans, they simply can't sell this to the masses without Spidey's oh-so familiar face thrown into the mix. So it's likely the emphasis will be on Brock and we'll get a side dose of Spidey. Plus, who wouldn't want a well done Brock vs Parker battle on the big screen?

I know a lot of you want to see Flash Thompson under the symbiote, but after Avi's comments it seems clear the flick will be all about Eddie. But, that's no reason to frown! The Amazing Spider-Man clearly gave some extra attention to Eugene; molding him from a generic bully into a decent dude and a Spider-Man fanboy. So, having the symbiote smother over him could absolutely make for some interesting twists in future films, especially if it retains the knowledge that Pete is the Wall-Crawler. It's probably not likely, but there's the potential for that to take place in a Venom follow-up if it rakes in enough cash for Sony.

Sony was eyeing Chronicle director Josh Trank to direct the movie, but unfortunately Fox has snagged the man first. He's now behind the Fantastic Four reboot. I don't know who else they have in mind for the task, but I'll be sure to update this if/when Sony dishes out more details.

After seeing The Amazing Spider-Man, do you agree or disagree that a Venom solo film is a good idea? Also, how do you think they're going to transfer the story of Eddie Brock and his transition to Venom on the big screen?

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#1 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n:

I think Venom has been around long enough to get his own series. He certainly is more popular than Blade.

#2 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik: Blade was only successful because Wesley Snipes rocked those sunglasses so well.

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#3 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n:

Maybe once Brock is fired and gets the suit he goes after the real sin eater and cripples and somehow sin-eater gets the carnage symbiote(or maybe hybrid). Sin-eater could be hired by oscorp to kill brock for stealing their property and give him a a carnage like symbiote.

#4 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Blade was only successful because Wesley Snipes rocked those sunglasses so well.

Lol agreed. I think as long as they take it in a different road than in Spider-Man 3, they should have no problems. Not sure if it can be done in the same fashion that ASM was done in though. Venom just seems like it needs to be a much darker film than ASM was.

#5 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

I sincerely don't think 616 Eddie could work on his own, adapting his comics. His villains just were not that great.

Now, if we were to pit Eddie up against Flash's villains.... that would be something.

EDIT: Carnage aside. But Carnage is better off against a team of Venom and Spider-man.

#6 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik: Yeah. Part of me thinks that's why they were interested in Josh Trank. He did such a good job showcasing Andrew's torment and how it all piled up. It's critical that Eddie goes through a similar process or else his entire existence just seems shallow.

@joeagentofhand1: I can see them possibly introducing Carnage if the franchise carries on. It would be interesting if they were perhaps testing an upgraded Suit on inmates, and of course, the lucky subject would be Cletus ;)

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#7 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I sincerely don't think 616 Eddie could work on his own, adapting his comics. His villains just were not that great.

Now, if we were to pit Eddie up against Flash's villains.... that would be something.

This

#8 Edited by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I sincerely don't think 616 Eddie could work on his own, adapting his comics. His villains just were not that great.

Now, if we were to pit Eddie up against Flash's villains.... that would be something.

EDIT: Carnage aside. But Carnage is better off against a team of Venom and Spider-man.

Agreed and that's why I think Spider-Man's role in the first Venom film would be critical. Besides, I can't see them making the first Venom movie without Spider-Man. They need to lure in the general audience and he's the man for that job. I'm sure they could have Sin Eater as a minor role if they still go with that being his epic fail story.

@Erik said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Blade was only successful because Wesley Snipes rocked those sunglasses so well.

Lol agreed. I think as long as they take it in a different road than in Spider-Man 3, they should have no problems. Not sure if it can be done in the same fashion that ASM was done in though. Venom just seems like it needs to be a much darker film than ASM was.

Everything needs to take a different road than Spider-Man 3. Everything.

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#9 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: that is could work out very well(maybe he could kill Eddie's wife)

#10 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Yeah. Part of me thinks that's why they were interested in Josh Trank. He did such a good job showcasing Andrew's torment and how it all piled up. It's critical that Eddie goes through a similar process or else his entire existence just seems shallow.

Part of me is not happy with the choice of the origin for the Venom movie. I have always thought Eddie setting the blame at Spider-Man's feet was extremely petty and childish. I do not think I (or many other people) would find his plight relatable.

#11 Edited by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Yeah. Part of me thinks that's why they were interested in Josh Trank. He did such a good job showcasing Andrew's torment and how it all piled up. It's critical that Eddie goes through a similar process or else his entire existence just seems shallow.

Part of me is not happy with the choice of the origin for the Venom movie. I have always thought Eddie setting the blame at Spider-Man's feet was extremely petty and childish. I do not think I (or many other people) would find his plight relatable.

It is and that's exactly why I've always called him narrow-minded when it comes to Pete. I'm just saying they need to have it done well so it can actually impact us. Really drag him through the gutter and make us feel somewhat bad for him. Not just "I lost my job... *drops to knees and holds up arms* I'll get you, SPIDER MANNNNNNNNN!"

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#12 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Yeah. Part of me thinks that's why they were interested in Josh Trank. He did such a good job showcasing Andrew's torment and how it all piled up. It's critical that Eddie goes through a similar process or else his entire existence just seems shallow.

Part of me is not happy with the choice of the origin for the Venom movie. I have always thought Eddie setting the blame at Spider-Man's feet was extremely petty and childish. I do not think I (or many other people) would find his plight relatable.

It is and that's exactly why I've always called him narrow-minded when it comes to Pete. I'm just saying they need to have it done well so it can actually impact us. Not just "I lost my job... I'll get you, SPIDER MANNNNNNNNN!"

LMAO agreed. I think I would prefer that Spider-Man not even be the one he is angry with. Just that the ones he is angry with happen to get Spider-Man's attention and a fight breaks out between them because of Parker's no killing thing.

#13 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik: at least it can't be as bad in the ultimate spiderman cartoon

#14 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1 said:

@Erik: at least it can't be as bad in the ultimate spiderman cartoon

Never watched it so I cannot comment.

#15 Edited by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik: pretty much it is harry osborn and he becomes venom because Peter is hanging out with other people or something

#16 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I sincerely don't think 616 Eddie could work on his own, adapting his comics. His villains just were not that great.

Now, if we were to pit Eddie up against Flash's villains.... that would be something.

Agreed.

#17 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

This could be interesting.

#18 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

i would love any movie with venom. yeah i said. i even have love for spider-man 3 venom.

#19 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1 said:

@Erik: pretty much it is harry osborn and he becomes venom because Peter is hanging out with other people or something

That is turrible.

#20 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

This would work well.

#21 Posted by Mycroftian (109 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of the other Flash villains seem a little difficult to work with, but I would love to see Crime-Master make an appearance.

#22 Posted by infonation (1665 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mycroftian: I wonder what it would be like to see CRIMEMASTER become bonded with the Venom suit?...

#23 Posted by Harddrivexxii (514 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

I sincerely don't think 616 Eddie could work on his own, adapting his comics. His villains just were not that great.

Now, if we were to pit Eddie up against Flash's villains.... that would be something.

EDIT: Carnage aside. But Carnage is better off against a team of Venom and Spider-man.

Agreed and that's why I think Spider-Man's role in the first Venom film would be critical. Besides, I can't see them making the first Venom movie without Spider-Man. They need to lure in the general audience and he's the man for that job. I'm sure they could have Sin Eater as a minor role if they still go with that being his epic fail story.

@Erik said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Blade was only successful because Wesley Snipes rocked those sunglasses so well.

Lol agreed. I think as long as they take it in a different road than in Spider-Man 3, they should have no problems. Not sure if it can be done in the same fashion that ASM was done in though. Venom just seems like it needs to be a much darker film than ASM was.

Everything needs to take a different road than Spider-Man 3. Everything.

@joeagentofhand1 said:

@k4tzm4n: that is could work out very well(maybe he could kill Eddie's wife)

What if the suit originally escaped bonds with Eddie and in the throes of his transformation it kills Eddie's wife - Eddie finds out that Peter's Dad invented the suit so he goes after the family ... bringing Spidey into it.

Peter helps Eddie discover that the suit was deliberately released by someone in the company - they go to find said person and find they have to go up against someone in a more advanced 'Suit' ... bringing Carnage into the story.

#24 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mycroftian said:

Most of the other Flash villains seem a little difficult to work with, but I would love to see Crime-Master make an appearance.

Crime Master and Jack.

Maybe Megatak and Death Adder, too. Their parts in Savage Six were great.

#25 Posted by Dhor (282 posts) - - Show Bio

VEnom vould work better as Agent Venom IMO

#26 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dhor said:

VEnom vould work better as Agent Venom IMO

They already said it'll be about Eddie Brock.

@InnerVenom123 said:

@Mycroftian said:

Most of the other Flash villains seem a little difficult to work with, but I would love to see Crime-Master make an appearance.

Crime Master and Jack.

Maybe Megatak and Death Adder, too. Their parts in Savage Six were great.

Megatak would be hilariously awesome to see on the big screen.

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#27 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

This would work well.

Thank you.

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#28 Posted by JediXMan (30647 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I think Venom would be good for the sequel. And for the third movie (because there will be a third movie, unless the guys at Marvel get a brain and realizes that it's ALWAYS a bad idea for them to do third movies), bring in Goblin for the anticipated snap.

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#29 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know about a movie with only Venom. I like Venom as a villain who only wants to make Spider-Man suffer. I do agree that it cannot be something petty. Eddie has to legitimately suffer and find a reason to blame Spider-Man.

Anyway, Venom as a hero... I just don't like it.

#30 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Everyone in the theater would be scared to use their cell phones, because Megatak would punch them in the face.

In fact, this movie could easily make a skit like that, and sell it to the theater to use before the movie.

That would be amazing.

#31 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

Personally, I think Venom would be good for the sequel. And for the third movie (because there will be a third movie, unless the guys at Marvel get a brain and realizes that it's ALWAYS a bad idea for them to do third movies), bring in Goblin for the anticipated snap.

Yeah, Sony has said they plan on making the new Spidey franchise a trilogy.

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#32 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@k4tzm4n: Everyone in the theater would be scared to use their cell phones, because Megatak would punch them in the face.

In fact, this movie could easily make a skit like that, and sell it to the theater to use before the movie.

That would be amazing.

ALL BOW DOWN BEFORE MEGATAK!
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#33 Posted by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Blade was only successful because Wesley Snipes rocked those sunglasses so well.

Not really ... I know this was humorous intent ... but really (correct me if I'm wrong) blade is the only mainstream comic movie that has gotten a R rating ... everything else is pg or pg 13. I thought of this due to this thread thinking ... damn a venom movie rated pg or pg13 will suck. The movie makes sense based on your post ... but IMO it will be kind of hard to make a good venom pg13 movie.

Companies need to make more rated r comic movies w/ their darker characters ... they dont even have to be their main stream characters ... as noted blade does fantastic in the movie department.

#34 Posted by Erik (32812 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandiego008 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik: Blade was only successful because Wesley Snipes rocked those sunglasses so well.

Not really ... I know this was humorous intent ... but really (correct me if I'm wrong) blade is the only mainstream comic movie that has gotten a R rating ... everything else is pg or pg 13. I thought of this due to this thread thinking ... damn a venom movie rated pg or pg13 will suck. The movie makes sense based on your post ... but IMO it will be kind of hard to make a good venom pg13 movie.

Companies need to make more rated r comic movies w/ their darker characters ... they dont even have to be their main stream characters ... as noted blade does fantastic in the movie department.

There is a very specific reason why comic companies do not make R-rated movies. They make less money. Blade is an exception but then again, Blade was not marketed as a CBM but as a vampire action movie. Kind of different expectations for that.

#35 Posted by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik: Oh I know why they dont do it ... not to mention they don't want their heros killing ... thus me suggesting using 2nd grade heroes like blade (who aren't really heroes) ... or really any badass that kills non humans would work well and would get ratings like blade did IMO. Lobo comes to mind but gawd making a good lobo movie = impossible. Maybe a Death Stalkers movie .. yes still vampire based but could work well. Or maybe something along the lines of the krull wars ... I think there is a lot of good R material out there ... that would be as successful as blade ...

#36 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7856 posts) - - Show Bio

It would just be better to have Venom as a villain in a Spider-Man movie.. Then maybe do a spin-off.

#37 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandiego008: I don't think making a Venom movie PG-13 would be difficult at all. You can get away with a lot in a 13 rating. The symbiote suffocating someone by encasing their face or sending a tendril down a throat would be acceptable for that rating. Simply put, Venom doesn't require excessive gore.

And yes, the sunglasses remark was obviously a joke.

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

It would just be better to have Venom as a villain in a Spider-Man movie.. Then maybe do a spin-off.

I agree, but Sony seems to have other plans.

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#38 Posted by Strider92 (16496 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd prefer if they stuck to the idea of Brock being involved in Oscorp as it would just all fit together so nicely but even if they aren't going that route i'm just really REALLY happy we have Brock and not Thompson in the suit!

#39 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

I'd prefer if they stuck to the idea of Brock being involved in Oscorp as it would just all fit together so nicely but even if they aren't going that route i'm just really REALLY happy we have Brock and not Thompson in the suit!

Agreed. I originally thought they would have Brock as a college student working at Oscorp, but - based on those older interviews - it seems clear they want him to be a journalist.

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#40 Posted by Pwok21 (2383 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

I sincerely don't think 616 Eddie could work on his own, adapting his comics. His villains just were not that great.

Now, if we were to pit Eddie up against Flash's villains.... that would be something.

EDIT: Carnage aside. But Carnage is better off against a team of Venom and Spider-man.

Brock's Venom vs Hobgoblin, Toxin and Jack o'Lantern?

I'M THROWING MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING'S HAPPENING!

#41 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21 said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

I sincerely don't think 616 Eddie could work on his own, adapting his comics. His villains just were not that great.

Now, if we were to pit Eddie up against Flash's villains.... that would be something.

EDIT: Carnage aside. But Carnage is better off against a team of Venom and Spider-man.

Brock's Venom vs Hobgoblin, Toxin and Jack o'Lantern?

I'M THROWING MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING'S HAPPENING!

THROW MORE MONEY!

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#42 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

I would much rather see a Flash Thompson Venom.

#43 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

I would much rather see a Flash Thompson Venom.

Honestly, this.

But Eddie could work.

With a lot of tweaking to who he interacts with.

#44 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

I would much rather see a Flash Thompson Venom.

Honestly, this.

But Eddie could work.

With a lot of tweaking to who he interacts with.

I just don't really like Eddie. And I don't think he could carry his own movie.

#45 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

I would much rather see a Flash Thompson Venom.

Honestly, this.

But Eddie could work.

With a lot of tweaking to who he interacts with.

I just don't really like Eddie. And I don't think he could carry his own movie.

At least Flash got some development in ASM.

Very unlikely, but we could be seeing an Agent Venom movie in the future.

Then again, it used to be very unlikely that we'd see Flash getting development in anything but the comics.

#46 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: Yeah, I was surprised. I figured he'd be a one-note bully again. They've teased about making Flash Venom, but Avi Arad did say the whole "Eddie Brock story," thing. That could just be talk though, who knows?

#47 Posted by k4tzm4n (44255 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator: @InnerVenom123: Agreed. The prospect of Flash Venom (especially since they gave him some degree of development) is something I'd love to see, but unfortunately, it looks like we're getting Eddie first. But if that's a hit they'll hopefully find a way to have the Suit/symbiote end up on Flash.

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#48 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd love to see a Venom film but considering that Flash is the most current Venom and considerably popular with fans and he's had decent exposure in the ASM, it would make more sense to throw him in as Venom.

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#49 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

I would much rather see a Flash Thompson Venom.

This.

#50 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't have any issue with a Venom movie coming before ASM's sequel, though it won't happen. It would allow there to be even more content added to the new SM verse and setup future sequels.