Joker vs maneto - Gen. Discussion

#1 Posted by CapedCrusaider (114 posts) - 5 months, 9 days ago - Show Bio

Who is the better villain in terms of fear, kill count, threat level, and has done the most damage to their opposing superheroes PS...trying to find out why the hell IGN rated magneto as number 1 instead of joker

#2 Posted by CapedCrusaider (114 posts) - 5 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Also in terms of persona and Story line

#3 Posted by dondave (7533 posts) - 5 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Joker

#4 Posted by Bruxae (2640 posts) - 5 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Joker,

IGN dont know crap about anything, Magneto is great and all but he probably got first because of all the X-Men movies.

#5 Edited by Moonchilde (1352 posts) - 5 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Fear - Depends on how you define fear. Magneto threatens the entire planet. Joker terrorizes a city. But Joker is far more likely to kill you if you meet him. Hard to say who inspires more fear.

Kill Count - Probably Magneto actually. This might seem counter-intuitive, as we've definitely seen Joker kill on panel more then we have Magneto. But Magneto has sunken navel ships, and EMP'd the entire planet. Those actions have likely caused far more deaths then Joker has. Joker's kills are more "intimate" from a reader perspective though.

Threat Level - Magneto, easily. Again, Magneto threatens the entire planet, Joker terrorizes a city.

Damage to Opposing Heroes - Joker. Joker scared Bat's when he killed Jason Todd, and maimed Barbara Gordon (even if both got better). Magneto is actually friends with the X-Men, they just hold opposing ideologies.

Persona - Magneto. The Joker may be a fun villain, but when you get right down to it he's really just a serial killer. Magneto is arguably the entire driving force behind the X-Men. The opposing ideologies between Magneto & Charles Xavier was always the underlying theme behind the X-Men books that furthered the plot throughout most of the series history.

Storyline - Magneto. See persona.

Love the Joker, but as far as I'm concerned Doom & Magneto are truly the comic worlds two greatest antagonist. The real question is, why wasn't Doom rated in the top 2?

#6 Posted by CapedCrusaider (114 posts) - 5 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

In the graphic novel The Joker: Devil's Advocate , the Joker is reported to have killed well over 2,000 people. plus an EMP Doesn't actually Kill anyone neither does sinking ships there's no 100% guarantee that All people if any died during the EMP or sinking ships

#7 Posted by CapedCrusaider (114 posts) - 5 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

From Wikipedia . His unpredictable, homicidal nature makes him one of the most feared supervillains in the DC Universe; in the Villains United and Infinite Crisis mini-series, the members of the villains' Secret Society refuse to induct the Joker for this reason. In the mini-series Underworld Unleashed, the Trickster remarks, "When super- villains want to scare each other, they tell Joker stories."

#8 Edited by Moonchilde (1352 posts) - 5 months, 8 days ago - Show Bio

@CapedCrusaider: Pretty sure if a nuclear submarine blows up while it's underwater, then the entire crew is dead (the death of the entire crew was confirmed btw, though I don't remember the size of the crew). As for the EMP. Yes I'm aware that the EMP wouldn't directly kill anyone, but really think about what that would do to the earth. Think of all the planes mid-flight that would suddenly plummet. All the people with pacemakers that would have heart attacks. The number of people that would die just because there'd be no emergency crews that would be able to respond. I have no idea how many people would die as a result of something like that, but I'm sure it's a lot higher then 2,000.

As for the second comment, not sure what you're trying to prove. That Joker's scarier? Sure, I guess, Joker is a creepy and evil guy, already acknowledged everyone that knows him is creeped out by him. That he's a bigger threat? No, not even close. Terrorizing a city <<< Threatening the way of life of the entire planet. Joker would doubtlessly make national news, scaring the crap out of anyone in Gotham, possibly even the United States, but Magneto is an international threat.

#9 Posted by The Stegman (12929 posts) - 5 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

Joker is scarier due to how unpredictable he is.

Don't know who has a larger kill count

Threat level depends, Mags is more powerful, but he's more out to right the injustice humans place on mutants, Joker...he's just out to cause chaos, pure and simple, I'd figure he'd do something horrible quicker and with less remorse than Magneto, so tie for now.

Who's done more to their hero? Joker, come on, killing Robin, crippling Barbara, nearly driving Jim Gordon insane, Joker ain't messin' around, to him, it's not fun and games until someone gets hurt.

#10 Posted by cameron83 (1795 posts) - 5 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

magneto,by FAR in everything

#11 Posted by RoboShark (1199 posts) - 5 months, 7 days ago - Show Bio

I mean in reality I think Magneto has the upper hand. But I'd like to think if they faced off Magneto would lose. Since he's not totally insane, a moment of mercy and Joker could jab anything shrap into his neck.