#1 Posted by jeanespinosa21 (217 posts) - - Show Bio

I was thinking today how some viners believe that the joker is actually dumb and i think that's one of the biggest misconceptions in comics. I think the joker is the perfect polar opposite of batman. As most people agree that batman can do incredible things with enough preptime well so can the joker! In every story i read of him he plans everything out to the last detail! Even in movies think dark knight he makes harvey think all his actions are random but they're not he plans out every option to cause chaos and only chooses to make it seem random to further throw off the bat and scare civilians. I once heard that the joker has become the living embodiment of the chaos theory (it's a theory that states that everything has an order, no matter how random there is always a pattern). Thats at least how i view him how do you view the joker?

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (43797 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker is a genius. Plain and simple.

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#3 Posted by Bucco3 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

If he was dumb he wouldn't have plans

#4 Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse (6360 posts) - - Show Bio

When in comics has Joker ever been dumb?

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#5 Posted by jeanespinosa21 (217 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by batmannflash (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker is highly intelligent. I don't ever recall hearing someone say that he was dumb though...

He's amazing with prep and his unpredictability makes him great even without prep

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#8 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22232 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he's the opposite of superman. Pure evil. A jerk. A girl hitter. A phsycopath. A loser.

#9 Edited by TheCheeseStabber (8151 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he's the opposite of superman. Pure evil. A jerk. A girl hitter. A phsycopath. A loser.

A real Boner you could say. :P

#10 Posted by sinestro_GL (3251 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think people see him as dumb, but perhaps non-genius...then I could see where the debate comes in.

#11 Posted by i_like_swords (15888 posts) - - Show Bio

People think he's some crazy guy with a face full of makeup that just kills kids.

While that's somewhat true, there's a lot more to him you don't see if you don't read comics featuring him.

#12 Edited by DoomDoomDoom (4249 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always been under the impression that the Joker appears insane because he is actually supersane. I can't remember where I read that or if it was actually in a comic or not but that description of him has always stuck with me.

#13 Posted by Night Thrasher (3699 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always thought of Joker as Batman's intellectual superior. What messes him up is his instability and lack of true motives. He really isn't moving towards a cause he's just causing chaos for the sake of chaos.

#14 Posted by Wolverine08 (43797 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always thought of Joker as Batman's intellectual superior. What messes him up is his instability and lack of true motives. He really isn't moving towards a cause he's just causing chaos for the sake of chaos.

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#15 Edited by batmannflash (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

@doomdoomdoom: from Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth by Grant Morrison.

“It's quite possible we may actually be looking at some kind of super-sanity here. A brilliant new modification of human perception, more suited to urban life at the end of the twentieth century...That's why some days he's a mischievous clown, others a psychopathic killer. He creates himself each day. He sees himself as the lord of misrule and the world as a theater of the absurd.”

#16 Posted by TekTheNinja (766 posts) - - Show Bio

people tend to confuse insanity and stupidity.

joker is NOT stupid.

#17 Posted by Havenless (1379 posts) - - Show Bio

What is the point of this thread? Who thinks Joker is dumb? Not one guy so far.

#18 Posted by End_Boss (738 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think anyone thinks that the Joker is stupid. They may think he's a bad character and thus call him 'dumb' or 'stupid,' but that's just a misuse of terminology.

#19 Edited by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

I think he's the opposite of superman. Pure evil. A jerk. A girl hitter. A phsycopath. A loser.

A real Boner you could say. :P

LAUGH AT MY BONER WILL THEY???-The Joker

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#21 Posted by theendgame (195 posts) - - Show Bio

To be an instrument of chaos and anarchy the joker needs to be not only a step ahead of the government/police but another in front of batman as well. Otherwise he's a one hit wonder. To have a career like he's had he would have to be a genius.

#22 Posted by Jack Donaghy (1073 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think anyone thinks Joker is dumb, just not a genius like Luthor.