Jim Lee vs Stan Lee

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#1  Edited By Supermatt89

Personally I like Jim he makes the heros look angry but it is somehow so stunning.

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#2  Edited By Apparition

bruce lee!

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#3  Edited By zee crusher

Apparition says:

"bruce lee!"

Lol but i pick stan lee after all he did make Thor.

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#4  Edited By Apparition

i love stan too but what are we judging them on? isnt jim more of an artist and stan more of a writer?

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#5  Edited By NEW VENOM

Apparition says:

"bruce lee!"
No it's JIM LEE vs STAN LEE
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#6  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

Stan Lee wins because he is the master brain behind Marvel comics and the face of Marvel comics.Jim Lee is an a great artist and has created many great images through the years..some very memorable covers and things like that.However Jim Lee pissed me off recently.He believes that he works well with Frank Miller.The worse thing to happen to Batman since Bane snapped him like a twig.His second go at Batman was horrible..very bad bad for what we consider Batman to be..there is alot of woman beating and child abuse,which I don't see Batman doing and Jim Lee decides he would like to apply is artistic talent to the project.Which makes it hard for me not to read because the art is primary for the reading to me.Good Story keeps me interested and gets me talking but the art is what I am really in it for.So that whole thing really pisses me off.Stan Lee on the other hand is the mind behind some of the most memorable characters and storyline and will always be an Icon for comics.Stan wins IMO.

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#7  Edited By Aronmorales

Stan the Man Lee, c'mon folks.

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#8  Edited By fenixREVOLUTION

Stan Lee. No offense, but c'mon.

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#9  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

Stan Lee, because he's Stan Lee.

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#10  Edited By Billy Batson

Stan Lee even though I like Jim better

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#11  Edited By TheGoldenOne
Stan Lee
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#12  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

What's it based on? Artistic skill? Contributions to the medium?

Jim the former, Stan the latter.

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#13  Edited By Harryman

Jim Lee, dude's trumps Stanny Boy in every way possible..

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#14  Edited By tupiaz

@Harryman said:

Jim Lee, dude's trumps Stanny Boy in every way possible..

Because Wildcats has some very interesting and ground breaking characters,

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#15  Edited By Harryman

@tupiaz said:

@Harryman said:

Jim Lee, dude's trumps Stanny Boy in every way possible..

Because Wildcats has some very interesting and ground breaking characters,

Yeah, agreed dude.

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#16  Edited By tupiaz

@Harryman: I was being sarcastic.

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#17  Edited By Harryman

@tupiaz said:

@Harryman: I was being sarcastic.

Why don't you like Wildcats?

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#18  Edited By The_Soverighn

jet lee

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#19  Edited By tupiaz

They seems to be a rip off of X-Men without giving something new and just have 2 dimensional characters without much depth.

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#20  Edited By dondave

What's it based on? Artistic skill? Contributions to the medium? Jim the former, Stan the latter.
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What's it based on? Artistic skill? Contributions to the medium?

Jim the former, Stan the latter.
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I think a better questions would be when both have retired, who will be looked upon as having the bigger impact?

Stan Lee's career is tailing off and his 50+ years of work are well established, but Jim Lee still has a long way to go and has only recently taken a position at the head of DC. While at this point I think it is pretty easy to give it to Stan today, Jim Lee has a very impressive resume to this point and is in a position to possibly outachieve Stan at some point (not that it is likely or easy).

Jim Lee

1 - Along with Chris Claremont started the X-Men series that sold 8.1 MILLION copies of a single issue

2 - Was one of the founders of Image Comics, the biggest thing to happen to the medium in most of our lifetimes

3 - Guided Wildstorm as one of the best run imprints when Image imploded and broke up

4 - Is currently the Co-Publisher of DC Comics, one of the Big 2, after they bought Wildstorm primarily just to get a hold of him.

5 - One of the most respected and best selling artists of his generation

Jim could still have a couple of decades to add to his list of accomplishments, at this point we should simply call Stan Lee a legend and Jim Lee a legend still in the making.

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#24  Edited By PowerHerc

Jim Lee is the better artist. No question.

Stan Lee is the better writer and executive. No doubt.

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#25  Edited By maddpanda

The Man wins, hands down.

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#26  Edited By BlackReaper

@Apparition said:

bruce lee!

Stop pointing out the obvious.

As a person, Stan Lee. As an artist, Jim Lee.

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#27  Edited By GunGunW

Jim Lee

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#28  Edited By Duke_Nasty

What is the comparison? Their names?

Jim Lee is a better artist but thats about it.

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#29  Edited By Billy Batson

Well my mind has changed over the matter. Don't like Jim that much anymore and Stan is a hack.
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#30  Edited By turoksonofstone

Jim Lee Stomps. He has actual talent and is an Image founder. His DC redesigns suck something awful though.

Stan Lee deserves credit for keeping Marvel in existence at some point, But more for recognizing the genius of Jack Kirby and then stealing all the credit. Stan is a hack.

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#31  Edited By tupiaz

@Brazen_Intellect said:

I think a better questions would be when both have retired, who will be looked upon as having the bigger impact?

Stan Lee's career is tailing off and his 50+ years of work are well established, but Jim Lee still has a long way to go and has only recently taken a position at the head of DC. While at this point I think it is pretty easy to give it to Stan today, Jim Lee has a very impressive resume to this point and is in a position to possibly outachieve Stan at some point (not that it is likely or easy).

Jim Lee

1 - Along with Chris Claremont started the X-Men series that sold 8.1 MILLION copies of a single issue

2 - Was one of the founders of Image Comics, the biggest thing to happen to the medium in most of our lifetimes

3 - Guided Wildstorm as one of the best run imprints when Image imploded and broke up

4 - Is currently the Co-Publisher of DC Comics, one of the Big 2, after they bought Wildstorm primarily just to get a hold of him.

5 - One of the most respected and best selling artists of his generation

Jim could still have a couple of decades to add to his list of accomplishments, at this point we should simply call Stan Lee a legend and Jim Lee a legend still in the making.

1. One of the most pumped up sell number for a saes ever (along with spider-man) ever. 5 different covers. The most single sold with only one issue I believe 8correct me if I'm wrong) is Spawn 1. http://www.bleedingcool.com/?p=77678

2. Jim Lee had imo the most boring studio at Image. What goes for having a new idea.

4. Well let us see what it does. It can turn out to be a bad deal.

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#32  Edited By spawn_123

Stan Lee

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#33  Edited By Matchstick

Definitely Jim Lee. Stan Lee on his own is nothing special, he's just a hype man. That's why everything of note that he's ever done was part of a collaboration. When's the last time Stan has done anything relevant?

Jim Lee however is talented enough to stand on his own and is still enjoying a fruitful career. I know comic fans in general are kind of programmed to automatically say Stan is the best, but he's really not. He's like the Babe Ruth of comics. Sure he was good in his day, but by todays's standards he doesn't even merit.

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#34  Edited By Bruxae

Jim Lee.

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#35  Edited By TrueMoonchilde

I love Jim, but if we are talking about over-all contribution to the medium, then Stan wins by miles.

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#36  Edited By tupiaz

@Matchstick: You can't judge the past of neither todays standards nor morals. It is historical scientific wrong to do so. You have to meet the past so close (you can't be 100% objective) with the view of the past. Stan Lee created/co created so many characters that are now icons in the industry. Jim creation of characters icons. The only character Jim Lee has co created that I can recall is an icon is Gambit.

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#37  Edited By jobbernos

@Harryman said:

Jim Lee, dude's trumps Stanny Boy in every way possible..

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@tupiaz said:

@Matchstick: You can't judge the past of neither todays standards nor morals. It is historical scientific wrong to do so. You have to meet the past so close (you can't be 100% objective) with the view of the past. Stan Lee created/co created so many characters that are now icons in the industry. Jim creation of characters icons. The only character Jim Lee has co created that I can recall is an icon is Gambit.

Actually yes you can. In a side by side comparison Stan doesn't get bonus points just because he came first. You can't objectively examine Stan's work if you refuse to take off the rose colored glasses that era of comic history is seen through. Fact is every single one of Stan's 'icons' is either a blatant rip off of a pre-existing property, incredibly heavily influenced by a co creator, or both. Not to mention that all of Stan's characters were fleshed out and given depth by different writers years after their creation. Stan's a hype man, if he was the legendary creator that people seem to think he is then tell me why the most notable thing he's created on his own is Striperella. Stan Lee came into comics when the field was still wide open. He took advantage of the right people, and ripped off the right characters. That's all.

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#39  Edited By Billy Batson

Pretty much.
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#40  Edited By Squalleon

Stan Lee for obvious reasons

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#41  Edited By Harryman

Jim Lee is better in everything Stan can do..

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#42  Edited By tupiaz

@Matchstick: I would like to see the argument that you can? Many works are either rip off by other figures or get inspired by other characters. That is not typical Stan Lee. Take a look: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/the-reference-thread/696063/ Many of the Characters have dept while Stan Lee wrote the series. Spider-Man and FF for instance. Yeah many got more depths later on but that is again a general thing. A lot of characters where goofy and 2 dimensional in the silver age. Again how much have Jim Lee given besides his art and the creations of Gambit and Hush? Wildcats is i no way icon or top of the game. in creating new and original material and giving new ideas I would say that McFarlane, Erik Larsen, Garth Ennis and Marc Silvestri have given more new characters and that way given more to the comic world. Let us see what Jim Lee can do in charge of DC, but hey don't forget Stan Lee was in charge of Marvel for sometime.

@Harryman said:

Jim Lee is better in everything Stan can do..

Very good argument....

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#43  Edited By TheCowman

Stan Lee's writing was only part of what he brought to the comics industry. He brought the creators behind the comics into the spotlight and gave the readers a glimpse into the comic book making world. Giving the writers, artists, etc. nicknames and sprinkling little one-liner asides and explanations into the panels made Marvel seem more like a family and less like a business. And things like clubs and letters made young readers feel like they were part of that family.

No matter how talented you think Stan Lee was as a writer/creator, one simple fact remains. Comics wouldn't be what they are now without Stan Lee. The same cannot yet be said of Jim Lee.

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#44  Edited By turoksonofstone

lol Stripperella is a lame concept.

Stan Lee would still be a nobody without Jack Kirby. Period.

Larry Lieber was a better writer/creator than Stan.

How can you Plot finished pencils? Hack.

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They both aren't great imo many manga artists are better than than, but I don't know.

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#46  Edited By Havenless

@turoksonofstone: You do realize a large number of Stan Lee's most iconic characters had nothing to do with Jack Kirby, right?

@juniorducksong: Stan Lee isn't even an artist, what are you going on about?

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@turoksonofstone: You do realize a large number of Stan Lee's most iconic characters had nothing to do with Jack Kirby, right?

@juniorducksong: Stan Lee isn't even an artist, what are you going on about?

Stan Lee is a writer, I know. I'm saying Jim Lee's art is on par with manga artists - a superior ''brand'' of comic artists.

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Stan Lee.