#1 Posted by TrevorPhilips (177 posts) - - Show Bio

Title says it all. He seems to possess all the traits of one but it is never really mentioned that he is one

#2 Posted by McDerpyson (775 posts) - - Show Bio

It seems plausible. Lol. A thread about mental instability was started by Trevor Philips hehehe...

#3 Posted by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he feels remorse when he does bad things sociopaths do not.

#4 Posted by Wolverine08 (45597 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he feels remorse when he does bad things sociopaths do not.

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#5 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8062 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he feels remorse when he does bad things sociopaths do not.

He also cares about alot of people O.O

Read any of his comics its full of regret, heroship, sarrow etc

#6 Posted by TrevorPhilips (177 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: That's not true. Sociopaths do feel guilt, just not when society expects them to. They only feel remorse when they do something againt there own beliefs since they do not operate under societys rules

#7 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

No he is not IMO.

#8 Posted by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio

@trevorphilips: They don't feel remorse over what they do, they just feel bad when it doesn't go how they want it to that isn't the same as guilt.

#9 Posted by TrevorPhilips (177 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: But what i'm saying is if a sociopath kills a mugger because he feels he deserves it, he does not feel guilt or remorse even though society thinks he should. But if he loves his mother but hits his mother out of anger then he's going to feel guilt because he believes it was wrong.

#10 Edited by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio

@trevorphilips: No he will feel bad that he felt he had to resort to doing something he didn't want to, to them it would be similar to how you feel when you have to work on your day off, they wouldn't feel bad about the act itself.

#11 Posted by tigerkaya (1281 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he's just anti hero their kind are 90% of the time either unstable or just cut off without any human emotion making them the equivalent of robots. They serve a purpose and will continue living out their days broken and empty.

#12 Posted by Experio (17159 posts) - - Show Bio

Nop, Logan just does what is necessary for the better.

#13 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35016 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: so what do you call someone that murders everybody but still feels bad about it?

#14 Posted by TrevorPhilips (177 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: If they murder everybody and keep murdering everybody then they aren't going to feel bad about it until later in there life. The comedian from watchmen was a sociopath, big time, and later in his old age he regret doing all those things

#15 Posted by TrevorPhilips (177 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: Like when he told magneto and professor x to go F*** themselves in first class. That was necessary?

#16 Edited by Experio (17159 posts) - - Show Bio

@trevorphilips said:

@experio: Like when he told magneto and professor x to go F*** themselves in first class. That was necessary?

Ofcourse, they came to ask while he was drinking and smoking cigar - Wrong time

#17 Posted by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by dagmar_merrill (10272 posts) - - Show Bio

Kinda..

#19 Posted by StormShadow_X (1755 posts) - - Show Bio

He and Bruce(Pre-52) are the only two mortal characters who lived for so long that the fact that there just a lot arrogant is a blessing.

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#20 Edited by Freefa11 (2423 posts) - - Show Bio

@trevorphilips said:

@joshmightbe: But what i'm saying is if a sociopath kills a mugger because he feels he deserves it, he does not feel guilt or remorse even though society thinks he should. But if he loves his mother but hits his mother out of anger then he's going to feel guilt because he believes it was wrong.

Where are you getting your definition of sociopath from? Every description I've heard of it, one of the primary traits is a profound inability to empathize with other human beings. They literally do not form relationships with other people the way normal humans do, not even with their own family members. They do not typically possess genuine feelings of love, warmth, or compassion for anyone. They do not form genuine friendships with other people, at most they will partner with persons they find useful, and drop them without a second thought once that usefulness is lost.

Basically, a sociopath is literally someone with no conscience. The only thing that keeps these kinds of people in check is they at least possess an intellectual awareness that their actions carry consequences, and that other people do physically possess the power to harm, kill, or imprison them.

In my understanding of the condition, Wolverine does not come even close to qualifying, as he has formed many genuine emotional bonds with many people, and he treats these relationships very seriously. He also cares about the well-being of the planet and humanity in general, and is willing to fight with the ideal of actually making the world a better place, not purely for his own benefit. He's just not afraid to get his hands dirty is all.

If you want an example of a comic sociopath, off the top of my head Bullseye should qualify pretty handily.

Edit: just as a comparison, this lines up pretty well with my understanding of how sociopathy works

Sociopaths

(Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)

Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.

People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.

They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder.

#21 Posted by Wolverine08 (45597 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

Nowhere near a socialpath.

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#25 Edited by RogueShadow (11918 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he definitely isn't.

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#26 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

No

#27 Posted by Life_Without_Progress (2482 posts) - - Show Bio

No,Wolverine only kills because he believes it's necessary although he is a hypocrite, getting angry at Cyclops for accidentally killing Prof.X when He himself killed many others in the past.

#28 Posted by frogdog (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

No

But he is a hypocrite

#29 Posted by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio

@freefa11 said:

@trevorphilips said:

@joshmightbe: But what i'm saying is if a sociopath kills a mugger because he feels he deserves it, he does not feel guilt or remorse even though society thinks he should. But if he loves his mother but hits his mother out of anger then he's going to feel guilt because he believes it was wrong.

Where are you getting your definition of sociopath from? Every description I've heard of it, one of the primary traits is a profound inability to empathize with other human beings. They literally do not form relationships with other people the way normal humans do, not even with their own family members. They do not typically possess genuine feelings of love, warmth, or compassion for anyone. They do not form genuine friendships with other people, at most they will partner with persons they find useful, and drop them without a second thought once that usefulness is lost.

Basically, a sociopath is literally someone with no conscience. The only thing that keeps these kinds of people in check is they at least possess an intellectual awareness that their actions carry consequences, and that other people do physically possess the power to harm, kill, or imprison them.

In my understanding of the condition, Wolverine does not come even close to qualifying, as he has formed many genuine emotional bonds with many people, and he treats these relationships very seriously. He also cares about the well-being of the planet and humanity in general, and is willing to fight with the ideal of actually making the world a better place, not purely for his own benefit. He's just not afraid to get his hands dirty is all.

If you want an example of a comic sociopath, off the top of my head Bullseye should qualify pretty handily.

Edit: just as a comparison, this lines up pretty well with my understanding of how sociopathy works

Sociopaths

(Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)

Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.

People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.

They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder.

I think Ultimate Wolverine fits a lot of the criteria but 616 Wolverine is clearly not a sociopath, he definitely has deep emotional bonds with several people, he can hold a grudge for a hell of a long time. If anything he cares more about his friends than he does about himself which is actually kind of the opposite of a sociopath. Wolvie is a serious dick tho, its kind of a bad thing but thus far dickishness hasn't been ruled a mental illness.

#30 Posted by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: Like when he told magneto and professor x to go F*** themselves in first class. That was necessary?

Just because he's an asshole doesn't mean he's a sociopath.

#31 Posted by Wolverine08 (45597 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog said:

No

But he is a hypocrite

Only when Jason Aaron writes him in the Wolverine and the X-Men series. Yikes, that's one terribly written Wolverine.......

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#32 Edited by Squares (8392 posts) - - Show Bio

@freefa11 said:

@trevorphilips said:

@joshmightbe: But what i'm saying is if a sociopath kills a mugger because he feels he deserves it, he does not feel guilt or remorse even though society thinks he should. But if he loves his mother but hits his mother out of anger then he's going to feel guilt because he believes it was wrong.

Where are you getting your definition of sociopath from? Every description I've heard of it, one of the primary traits is a profound inability to empathize with other human beings. They literally do not form relationships with other people the way normal humans do, not even with their own family members. They do not typically possess genuine feelings of love, warmth, or compassion for anyone. They do not form genuine friendships with other people, at most they will partner with persons they find useful, and drop them without a second thought once that usefulness is lost.

Basically, a sociopath is literally someone with no conscience. The only thing that keeps these kinds of people in check is they at least possess an intellectual awareness that their actions carry consequences, and that other people do physically possess the power to harm, kill, or imprison them.

In my understanding of the condition, Wolverine does not come even close to qualifying, as he has formed many genuine emotional bonds with many people, and he treats these relationships very seriously. He also cares about the well-being of the planet and humanity in general, and is willing to fight with the ideal of actually making the world a better place, not purely for his own benefit. He's just not afraid to get his hands dirty is all.

If you want an example of a comic sociopath, off the top of my head Bullseye should qualify pretty handily.

Edit: just as a comparison, this lines up pretty well with my understanding of how sociopathy works

Sociopaths

(Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)

Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.

People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.

They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder.

Daken is a pretty good example, from what I've seen of him.

#33 Posted by frogdog (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog said:

No

But he is a hypocrite

Only when Jason Aaron writes him in the Wolverine and the X-Men series. Yikes, that's one terribly written Wolverine.......

And bendis

#34 Edited by TrevorPhilips (177 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: Here is word from word, "Sociopaths do not necessarily value (or are even aware of) society's rules or moral standards and they feel little to no cognitive dissonance for violating these standards. They may, however, feel cognitive dissonance, or regret, over violating one of their own beliefs about who they are, or what type of world they live in. People need to understand that lack of "conscience" or "empathy" does not necessarily equate with an inability to feel remorse. "

#35 Posted by Squares (8392 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: Here is word from word, "Sociopaths do not necessarily value (or are even aware of) society's rules or moral standards and they feel little to no cognitive dissonance for violating these standards. They may, however, feel cognitive dissonance, or regret, over violating one of their own beliefs about who they are, or what type of world they live in. People need to understand that lack of "conscience" or "empathy" does not necessarily equate with an inability to feel remorse. "

Um, okay, why are you telling me this?

#36 Posted by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio said:

Nop, Logan just does what is necessary for the better.

#37 Posted by HumanRocket (9353 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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