Is TOAA truly omnipotent?

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Gymgoer205

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If TOAA is Stan Lee, how can he be considered omnipotent? Stan Lee isn't the only Marvel writer, if another writer changes something that Stan Lee put in place doesn't that prove TOAA isn't omnipotent? And what's stopping Stan Lee himself from being influenced thus changing the Marvel universe.

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#2  Edited By kyrees

@gymgoer205: TOAA being omnipotent is because he/she is an avatar of writers, not stan lee alone. writers being the creators of such story are free to mold said story to their choosing and while they can say their avatar in comics can be beaten by their creation, they can always rewrite it back accordingly.

it's basically how omnipotence arguments in the real world is. omnipotence is not bounded by logic.

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@kyrees: But the writers can be influenced by other people. Doesn't that crush the omnipotence argument?

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#4  Edited By kyrees

@gymgoer205: no, it doesn't because they can rewrite it back accordingly. writer avatars in comics are not bound by their comic rules, the same thing as omnipotence is not bound by our human logic.

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@kyrees: Even if they can change it back accordingly, that doesn't change the fact that they can be influenced in the first place. Thus negating their "omnipotence".

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#6  Edited By kyrees

@gymgoer205: that doesn't negate anything at all because you are still using logic to it. writer omnipotence in comics or omnipotence in real life don't follow logic. they are beyond that and to use arguments to argue it isn't means you are bounding said concepts on your own limited logic.

it's the same with the god can create a rock he can't lift.

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@kyrees: Logic doesn't work with God because he's omnipotent. He's all powerful. Logic can be applied to TOAA because he clearly isn't all powerful as he can be influenced by other people.

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#8  Edited By kyrees

@gymgoer205: logic can't be applied on TOAA because you are defining writer omnipotence with logic. what he/she decides on the story is final and he/she does afterwards is up to the writer. if the writer says he gets beaten by his character with a shovel, he can do so but that doesn't negate his writer omnipotence in any way. (BTW, that happened in a manga already)

influence is no different on logic because in the end, the writer chooses he/she writes.

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yes

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#10  Edited By ariesxmasters

Yes he is literally unbeatable.

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The writer of the comic is omnipotent, the next comic, that writer will be TOAA. And so on.

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no, that would be squirrel girl.

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I thought Stan Lee was just a Watcher with hair.

Any, there is no singular TOAA. TOAA is who ever writing that comic.

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#14  Edited By NeonGameWave

He`s omnipotent but I never saw Stan as the TOAA I always seen him to be an actual fictional deity within Marvel, I think Stan and Kirby are just projecting their thoughts into the comic and teasing fans nothing more.

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nothing is truly omnipotent, or at least nothing can be proved.

some characters are fictionally omnipotent though

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#17  Edited By theamazingbatman

NO , he isn't ........................... Only squirrel girl is truly omnipotent :P

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Oh, yes he is, even if he is influenced, so far he decides, he was not forced to change anything, he may like it and decide to apply it and if he doesn't he will not, ideas not only come from within the mind but also from our surroundings. So yes he is the one true deity of marvel's universe... Multiverse, and thus omnipotent.

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#19  Edited By KaijuKingGojira

Calling TOAA omnipotent is like calling a "crown" a king.