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#1 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

i mean they all kind of cancel eachother out. unless its darksied or someone on that level or a massive invasion there really isn't a reason for them to be together. let me explain what im thinking

superman is- super smart, super fast, super strong, xray, gamma ray, heat, body temp control, ice breath, wind breath (?), he's a genius (though this is rarely seen in practice)

Flash- thinks the fastest, runs the fastest, speedforce, i think he has total recall?, smart and he's pretty strong as well.

wonderwoman, superman - vison powers and breath powers + berserker mode

Aquaman- mind shutdown, super strong, has super reflexes, fast, best swimmer, great leader, great strategist

batman- strategist, inventor, tech guy, h2h guy, strategy guy, stealth guy, intimidation guy

cyborg- internet killing machine lol i mea really that's what he is

so why would these guys need eachother as often as they do? superman flash and aquaman kinda cancel out batman

superman and ww kinda cancel eachother out

cyborg is unique to the others but ALOT less powerful than his contemporaries

the JL only serves to nerf all the characters aside from batman

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (45552 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes.

#3 Edited by Wolfrazer (7678 posts) - - Show Bio

Because......thats all I got.

#4 Posted by w0nd (4046 posts) - - Show Bio

IN all honesty id rather have 7 supermen then 1. even if 1 can get the job done. That's why people have a team of lawyers, a team of accountants a team of doctors and so on. And idk how many times two of them go do something across the globe while the others are doing something else. If it wasn't for the 7 of them they couldn't have defeated he'l there HAD to be a distraction and there had to be different entry points. So yes all of their encounters are against other super people. I wouldn't call the army in for a bank robbery, and I wouldn't call the bomb squad to call a car thief, but they are good to have around when they are needed. As fast as flash and superman are when there are multiple crisis' they cant be two palces at once.

That's just my outlook

#5 Posted by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2273 posts) - - Show Bio

WW doesn't have breath powers.

#6 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman isn't nearly as intelligent as Batman and definitely not a strategist.

Anyway 3 super strong characters are a lot better than 1. It's like saying we only only need one soldier in a squad as the others are pretty much the same.

Also, no Green Lantern? He's the best team player of them, his abilities are the best for supporting.

#8 Posted by w0nd (4046 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

Superman isn't nearly as intelligent as Batman and definitely not a strategist.

Anyway 3 super strong characters are a lot better than 1. It's like saying we only only need one soldier in a squad as the others are pretty much the same.

Also, no Green Lantern? He's the best team player of them, his abilities are the best for supporting.

GL left the team thats why

#9 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: Ah right... shows I need to catch up on my JL reading.

#11 Edited by Squalleon (4868 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: Depends on the writer really.
Some portray superman more intelligent than batman
While others make him a wwalking brick.
Notable examples :
Intelligent : Grant Morrison,JMS
Moving Brick : Pak(in the current B/S title he is just an angry brute),Frank Miller

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#12 Edited by JonSmith (4010 posts) - - Show Bio

Because sometimes you need a specialist. Each of them bring something new to the team, despite similar powersets. It's not about the powers they have, it's how they use them. For example:

Superman: The Powerhouse, most durable, most inspiring. He can bring the team together and inspire them, in addition to being the most powerful all around. He can charge in where others can't or shouldn't.

Flash: The Speedster, while he can hit as hard as Superman, he can instantly dispose of enemies to a discreet location, rescue civilians, act as a scout, and his forensic knowledge can be invaluable.

Wonder Woman: The Warrior, while she has similar powers to Superman, she has an incredible amount of skill when it comes to warfare and combat. Not to mention her magical expertise. She's no sorceress, but she provides another way to look at a situation. She also doesn't have Superman's weakness to kryptonite, so where he falls, she can step in.

Aquaman: The Diver, in underwater ops, there's no one better than Aquaman. He doesn't need to breathe, he can hit comparably to Wonder Woman, and he rules over 70% percent of the globe, giving him an incredible amount of range over threats. Superman may be able to hear everything if he's looking for it, but Aquaman has every fish in the sea reporting to him about objects of distress.

Batman: The Strategist, Superman may be the leader who pulls the team together, but Batman's the one who comes up with the plans. He coordinates the team, directing them to where they can do the most good, and insuring they are exactly where they need to be to be as effective as possible. In addition, he also provides another way to look at a situation: Wonder Woman provides the magical detail, Batman, the street level. He has the contacts in the criminal underworld, again giving them more information to help do their job.

Cyborg: The... Cyborg... What? He has the INTERNET, and he can teleport. While he provides some technological firepower, his real value is as an information unit. He can access every camera on the globe, again providing more surveillance for the League.

Really, the value of them is the data coverage: Together, they have the power to handle just about anything. So what they need isn't more diverse powers, it's coverage to find threats to use that power ON. With Cyborg on cameras, Batman interrogating criminals, Aquaman covering the sea, Wonder Woman tuned into the world of magic, and Superman listening for whatever they miss, they should be able to find just about any crime or disaster almost instantaneously with Cyborg's teleportation. Then they have the power to subdue or fix the threat.

#13 Edited by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

Superman isn't nearly as intelligent as Batman and definitely not a strategist.

Anyway 3 super strong characters are a lot better than 1. It's like saying we only only need one soldier in a squad as the others are pretty much the same.

Also, no Green Lantern? He's the best team player of them, his abilities are the best for supporting.

superman actually is smarter. he's even stated before he could improve bruce's gadgets but he didn't want to hurt his feelings. superman is def a strategist read the first two issues of unchained so....the guy is called superman for a reason lol

#14 Posted by Nerd Of A Hero (897 posts) - - Show Bio

Your right, they should make it more like the Justice League TV series and JLU (which is way the show is great in the first place) to take care of certain threats or certain heroes can do things for a mission. We don't need the entire team to fight off Cheetah or handle GL Simon Baz, but hey, that's how they want it.

#15 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Morrison's JLA.

#16 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

Your right, they should make it more like the Justice League TV series and JLU (which is way the show is great in the first place) to take care of certain threats or certain heroes can do things for a mission. We don't need the entire team to fight off Cheetah or handle GL Simon Baz, but hey, that's how they want it.

exactly my point. why do all of them need to bepresent for cheetah. it just sets the table for bad writing. no way cheetah can take on supes and wonderwoman and the flash at once

#17 Posted by Hypnosis (369 posts) - - Show Bio

Strength in numbers. They can help cover each other's weaknesses. They are all unique in their own way even if they share some of the same powers. I guess it would depend a lot of what situation they are in.

#18 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: That's mainly due to Krypton know-how though. His natural intelligence seems to be above-average imo. As Clark he never seemed to use his intelligence and is still a journalist while Bruce owns a tech corp.

@jonsmith Wonder woman would be better for interrogation due to her lasso. Batman still has his detective skills though, he can use it to find threats for the JL before they even become threats.

#19 Edited by Squalleon (4868 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@sog7dc: That's mainly due to Krypton know-how though. His natural intelligence seems to be above-average imo. As Clark he never seemed to use his intelligence and is still a journalist while Bruce owns a tech corp.

Which his father start and expand and is run by Lucius.Also Clark just doesn't want to run a company.He is a journalist because it keeps him in the center of information.Read Final Crisis and then you will understand about Superman's intelligence

God this will turn in another Supes vs Bats thread

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#20 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by War Killer (20292 posts) - - Show Bio

Any team of dedicated heroes who give up their time and put their lives on the line to protecting mankind is never a bad idea.

#22 Edited by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

@war_killer: Yeah but that's not the point of the thread. Thy don't always need eachother

#23 Edited by batmannflash (6226 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Because sometimes you need a specialist. Each of them bring something new to the team, despite similar powersets. It's not about the powers they have, it's how they use them. For example:

Superman: The Powerhouse, most durable, most inspiring. He can bring the team together and inspire them, in addition to being the most powerful all around. He can charge in where others can't or shouldn't.

Flash: The Speedster, while he can hit harder than Superman, he can instantly dispose of enemies to a discreet location, rescue civilians, act as a scout, and his forensic knowledge can be invaluable.

Wonder Woman: The Warrior, while she has similar powers to Superman, she has an incredible amount of skill when it comes to warfare and combat. Not to mention her magical expertise. She's no sorceress, but she provides another way to look at a situation. She also doesn't have Superman's weakness to kryptonite, so where he falls, she can step in.

Aquaman: The Diver, in underwater ops, there's no one better than Aquaman. He doesn't need to breathe, he can hit comparably to Wonder Woman, and he rules over 70% percent of the globe, giving him an incredible amount of range over threats. Superman may be able to hear everything if he's looking for it, but Aquaman has every fish in the sea reporting to him about objects of distress.

Batman: The Strategist, Superman may be the leader who pulls the team together, but Batman's the one who comes up with the plans. He coordinates the team, directing them to where they can do the most good, and insuring they are exactly where they need to be to be as effective as possible. In addition, he also provides another way to look at a situation: Wonder Woman provides the magical detail, Batman, the street level. He has the contacts in the criminal underworld, again giving them more information to help do their job.

Cyborg: The... Cyborg... What? He has the INTERNET, and he can teleport. While he provides some technological firepower, his real value is as an information unit. He can access every camera on the globe, again providing more surveillance for the League.

Really, the value of them is the data coverage: Together, they have the power to handle just about anything. So what they need isn't more diverse powers, it's coverage to find threats to use that power ON. With Cyborg on cameras, Batman interrogating criminals, Aquaman covering the sea, Wonder Woman tuned into the world of magic, and Superman listening for whatever they miss, they should be able to find just about any crime or disaster almost instantaneously with Cyborg's teleportation. Then they have the power to subdue or fix the threat.

This. And why would a team be a bad idea? They help each other defeat villains they can't defeat on their own! They each bring something different to the table. They don't cancel each other out, they add to each other.

#24 Posted by SheenLantern (6902 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

Superman isn't nearly as intelligent as Batman and definitely not a strategist

Superman's brain works thousands of times faster than a human's.

#25 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: Doesn't mean he's intelligent. He may have quicker reactions or form plans and whatnot quicker. Doesn't mean he has the creativity or the natural intelligent to use it efficiently.

#26 Posted by SheenLantern (6902 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: Natural inteliigence? Not knowledge?

Surely the one with the more powerful brain has more natural intelligence.

#27 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Because sometimes you need a specialist. Each of them bring something new to the team, despite similar powersets. It's not about the powers they have, it's how they use them. For example:

Superman: The Powerhouse, most durable, most inspiring. He can bring the team together and inspire them, in addition to being the most powerful all around. He can charge in where others can't or shouldn't.

Flash: The Speedster, while he can hit harder than Superman, he can instantly dispose of enemies to a discreet location, rescue civilians, act as a scout, and his forensic knowledge can be invaluable.

Wonder Woman: The Warrior, while she has similar powers to Superman, she has an incredible amount of skill when it comes to warfare and combat. Not to mention her magical expertise. She's no sorceress, but she provides another way to look at a situation. She also doesn't have Superman's weakness to kryptonite, so where he falls, she can step in.

Aquaman: The Diver, in underwater ops, there's no one better than Aquaman. He doesn't need to breathe, he can hit comparably to Wonder Woman, and he rules over 70% percent of the globe, giving him an incredible amount of range over threats. Superman may be able to hear everything if he's looking for it, but Aquaman has every fish in the sea reporting to him about objects of distress.

Batman: The Strategist, Superman may be the leader who pulls the team together, but Batman's the one who comes up with the plans. He coordinates the team, directing them to where they can do the most good, and insuring they are exactly where they need to be to be as effective as possible. In addition, he also provides another way to look at a situation: Wonder Woman provides the magical detail, Batman, the street level. He has the contacts in the criminal underworld, again giving them more information to help do their job.

Cyborg: The... Cyborg... What? He has the INTERNET, and he can teleport. While he provides some technological firepower, his real value is as an information unit. He can access every camera on the globe, again providing more surveillance for the League.

Really, the value of them is the data coverage: Together, they have the power to handle just about anything. So what they need isn't more diverse powers, it's coverage to find threats to use that power ON. With Cyborg on cameras, Batman interrogating criminals, Aquaman covering the sea, Wonder Woman tuned into the world of magic, and Superman listening for whatever they miss, they should be able to find just about any crime or disaster almost instantaneously with Cyborg's teleportation. Then they have the power to subdue or fix the threat.

did you mean to say flash can hit harder than supes?

#28 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6456 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it forced Stan Lee to create the FF and eventually create DC's biggest rival.

#29 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it forced Stan Lee to create the FF and eventually create DC's biggest rival.

ugh no offense to you but I loathe SS

#30 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: Thought it only works faster? It's not more powerful.

#31 Edited by SheenLantern (6902 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: Uh, a faster brain is a more powerful brain, he can make hundreds of calculations simultaneosly.

What would constitute a more powerful brain but not be faster? One that shoots lasers?

#32 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: A supercomputer can make hundreds of calculations in a second, doesn't make it smarter than a human.

#33 Posted by JonSmith (4010 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

did you mean to say flash can hit harder than supes?

Meant 'as hard'. My bad.

#34 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith: Since when can flash hit that hard?

#35 Edited by SheenLantern (6902 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@sheenlantern: A supercomputer can make hundreds of calculations in a second, doesn't make it smarter than a human.

Why is the average person smarter than a supercomputer?

#36 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: That's really an apples to ranges comparison. You can't download critical thinking skills or perception or judgement into a computer

#37 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonsmith: Since when can flash hit that hard?

Infinite Mass Punch

#38 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: Exactly, just because it's faster doesn't mean it has improved version of those skills.

#39 Edited by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6456 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

No, it forced Stan Lee to create the FF and eventually create DC's biggest rival.

ugh no offense to you but I loathe SS

Thats because you have put zero effort in learning or reading about him. Its bad to be closed minded

Also, what does this have to do with my comment? Are you trying to get mad? Cause its not working....

#40 Posted by Black_Claw (3089 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Because sometimes you need a specialist. Each of them bring something new to the team, despite similar powersets. It's not about the powers they have, it's how they use them. For example:

Superman: The Powerhouse, most durable, most inspiring. He can bring the team together and inspire them, in addition to being the most powerful all around. He can charge in where others can't or shouldn't.

Flash: The Speedster, while he can hit as hard as Superman, he can instantly dispose of enemies to a discreet location, rescue civilians, act as a scout, and his forensic knowledge can be invaluable.

Wonder Woman: The Warrior, while she has similar powers to Superman, she has an incredible amount of skill when it comes to warfare and combat. Not to mention her magical expertise. She's no sorceress, but she provides another way to look at a situation. She also doesn't have Superman's weakness to kryptonite, so where he falls, she can step in.

Aquaman: The Diver, in underwater ops, there's no one better than Aquaman. He doesn't need to breathe, he can hit comparably to Wonder Woman, and he rules over 70% percent of the globe, giving him an incredible amount of range over threats. Superman may be able to hear everything if he's looking for it, but Aquaman has every fish in the sea reporting to him about objects of distress.

Batman: The Strategist, Superman may be the leader who pulls the team together, but Batman's the one who comes up with the plans. He coordinates the team, directing them to where they can do the most good, and insuring they are exactly where they need to be to be as effective as possible. In addition, he also provides another way to look at a situation: Wonder Woman provides the magical detail, Batman, the street level. He has the contacts in the criminal underworld, again giving them more information to help do their job.

Cyborg: The... Cyborg... What? He has the INTERNET, and he can teleport. While he provides some technological firepower, his real value is as an information unit. He can access every camera on the globe, again providing more surveillance for the League.

Really, the value of them is the data coverage: Together, they have the power to handle just about anything. So what they need isn't more diverse powers, it's coverage to find threats to use that power ON. With Cyborg on cameras, Batman interrogating criminals, Aquaman covering the sea, Wonder Woman tuned into the world of magic, and Superman listening for whatever they miss, they should be able to find just about any crime or disaster almost instantaneously with Cyborg's teleportation. Then they have the power to subdue or fix the threat.

This is a really good explanation of how each member contributes to the team. But if you don't mind me asking, what about GL?

#41 Posted by JonSmith (4010 posts) - - Show Bio


This is a really good explanation of how each member contributes to the team. But if you don't mind me asking, what about GL?

Since SOG didn't include GL in the roll call, I didn't mention him. Still:

Green Lantern: The Officer, while the others are all about beating up the bad guy, he specializes in civilian protection. While the others pound the bad guy, he can brace the buildings to take the hits from their punches, simultaneously moving civilians out of harms way AND hurting/restraining the enemy. The constructs grant him an incredible amount of versatility when it comes to threat response. As for the aforementioned data coverage, he brings the extraterrestrial warnings: While the other Leaguers have eyes on the entire planet, GL and his Corps have eyes on the rest of the universe. Their rings alert them to intergalactic threats, and if necessary, GL can alert the League. If something like Starro is en route to Earth, the Green Lanterns are going to be the ones who know about it first.

#42 Edited by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_claw: I asked the same thing:

@w0nd said:
@maccyd said:

Superman isn't nearly as intelligent as Batman and definitely not a strategist.

Anyway 3 super strong characters are a lot better than 1. It's like saying we only only need one soldier in a squad as the others are pretty much the same.

Also, no Green Lantern? He's the best team player of them, his abilities are the best for supporting.

GL left the team thats why

#43 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Edited by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by deaditegonzo (3690 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@sog7dc: Exactly, just because it's faster doesn't mean it has improved version of those skills.

The real question is: What do you consider intelligence? Most people would say it is the amount of knowledge a person can hold and how they can apply it. Thatd make Superman (and Lex) thousands of times smarter than the Bat.


In creativity, Bruce very well may win, and also in tactical ability (as of now), but most people dont mean creativity when they say intelligence.

#46 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21:

1. I actually have given him a chance. 3 chances and 70 bucks later I still don't like him

2. I actually made a mistake and read "SS" instead of "FF" so I apologize. I'm

Not trying to make you mad at all.

#47 Posted by SOG7dc (8080 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_: Lol what do you mean no. I'd upload the scan if I wasn't on my phone. He's actually done it before you can google it

#48 Posted by russellmania77 (15812 posts) - - Show Bio

b.s.

#49 Posted by MaccyD (5111 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Myself, I'd say how they use said knowledge if speaking about intelligence in general. Really though there are multiple types of intelligences so I'll just say each characters specializes in a different one.

#50 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13626 posts) - - Show Bio

nope.