Is Shocker and Sandman two of most powerful villains

In Marvel?

Shocker? I've had a good laugh thanks

Short answer: no. Long answer... ain't nobody got time for dat.

Sandman is powerful but an idiot. Shocker just has laser gloves lol.

shocker needs to be written better also as a anti-hero , instead of spidey's punching bag

@SoA said:

shocker needs to be written better also as a anti-hero , instead of spidey's punching bag

Shocker beat spidey ten times in a row, dude...

@duderkyle: that's nice ,still want him written as a anti-hero

Sandman; a solid case could be made for him to be in the top 15. Shocker, not really. I mean he would get pulverized by Dr Doom, Super Skrull, Galactus, Taskmaster, Thanos e.t.c. (Of course, most of these could also beat Sandman.)

Shocker, to be frank, wouldn't make top 50, maybe 100.

Sandman is strong, but has an obvious weakness: liquid.

@mk111 said:

Shocker, to be frank, wouldn't make top 50, maybe 100.

Sandman is strong, but has an obvious weakness: liquid.

@duderkyle:

@duderkyle:

You got any references to back up that statement?

10 times in a row? So not only did he beat Spidey on 10 separate occassions, but he also beat him back to back to back to..ahh..you see where I'm goin' with this.

Hard to believe that Pete wouldn't learn how to beat him after I dunno...the 2nd time.

Shocker beat dr. doom, luke cage, nico minrou, daken, super-skrull, etc, etc, so yes, his a powerful villain.

Yes

@hughgunley: what? nice trolling bro.

...no, not by a long shot.