@daredevil21134 said:
@reactor said:
Not... quite the case, but all the same, Marvel has never rebooted to my knowledge. As to whether they need to is another matter, and up to debate. DC reboots for a reason, continuity becomes convoluted over time - it just happens. To rectify it, DC tweaks the universe. Marvel basically tries to forget stuff exists and moves on. Consequently, this has resulted in the Marvel universe having more inconsistencies, contradictions and plot holes than there are craters on the moon. Some folks prefer the "let's just pretend this all doesn't exist now" approach, while other prefer the "okay, let's hit the reset button now". It's all depending on taste, but neither is necessarily the smarter move.
That is true but I rather have them act like some of their continuity doesn't exist then do a full blown rewrite of most of all of their continuity. DC took away some of their most epic stories and characters out of continuity.A lot of their characters aren't even recognizable anymore so i'll take Marvel ignoring some of their continuity over Dc's new 52 reboot any day
Dude, these two actions are, effectively, the same thing; one is an official move (reboot), the other is an unspoken one (ignore). Either way, something is sacrificed so that the respective comic universe can move on. The only real difference between these is that one is, at the end of the day, still saddled with paradoxes and conflicting continuity, being Marvel. Like you insinuated, ignoring continuity doesn't make it technically go away, so you still have some of the stories you love; but therein lies the problem, as more and more stories will eventually clash with previously established canon.
Again, that method works for some folks, myself included (for Marvel), but for the making of a cohesive universe, Marvel's continuity is like a thousand spaghetti knots all jumbled together - it's an absolute mess. Because they are still tied down to their original universe, they *have* to disregard older stories to keep things moving, thus unofficially excising them from continuity. In practice, what Marvel does is essentially what DC has done. Marvel does it slowly, gradually casting aside older stories as newer ones are written, and DC does it cold turkey. However you feel about either method, they achieve the same result.
@the_stegman said:
@lesterlawton said:
To do it the way DC did it, they are. It's as though the guys at DC spent a total of 15 minutes planning before they initiated the reboot.
I wouldn't say they're too smart, they just learned from DC's mistakes.
This too, DC took a tremendous risk, and contrary to forum and die-hard Pre-Flashpoint loyalists, it has been almost entirely successful. Not to say it is without failure, but for DC, the New 52 was an overall success. To speculate; Marvel saw the results, learned what didn't work and what did, then made their move. It's a sound business action, and you never want to replicate someone else's foul-ups.
@zhurong said:
DC should of never rebooted. They should have just gave new costumes and powersets with new stroylines, thats all.
That's arguably a soft reboot, which is what the New 52 was. Because it was so unclear as to what stayed, a lot of peeps often forgot that.
@omnicrono said:
@reactor said:
Not... quite the case, but all the same, Marvel has never rebooted to my knowledge. As to whether they need to is another matter, and up to debate. DC reboots for a reason, continuity becomes convoluted over time - it just happens. To rectify it, DC tweaks the universe. Marvel basically tries to forget stuff exists and moves on. Consequently, this has resulted in the Marvel universe having more inconsistencies, contradictions and plot holes than there are craters on the moon. Some folks prefer the "let's just pretend this all doesn't exist now" approach, while other prefer the "okay, let's hit the reset button now". It's all depending on taste, but neither is necessarily the smarter move.
Well said, Reactor.
Many thanks :)
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