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#1 Edited by ImTheDamnBatman (3973 posts) - - Show Bio

Ever displayed in a movie?

Who, from a movie universe, could beat MoS Superman based off feats?

Reeves Restricted due to obvious, ridiculous reasons.

#2 Posted by SheenLantern (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh, Chris Reeve Superman.

#3 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3973 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sheen Okay, bar Reeves because he was just ridiculous.

#5 Posted by AllStarSuperman (27352 posts) - - Show Bio

Smallville Superman, buts that's a show.

Galactus and Parallax could win as well.

#6 Posted by thelocust619 (3255 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: parallax? Didn't that thing...fly itself into the sun's gravity with the same forsight as me walking in front of a moving bus....that I see coming? Idk about that lol Smokey Galactus could, sure, but Self-Destructive Smokey Parallax is a bit much...

And blue guy from Watchmen pretty much takes the crown...

#7 Posted by L3g3ndaryPheonix (243 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't know about any movie heroes but tv show Smallville's Clark Kent would destroy Cavailli

#8 Posted by thelocust619 (3255 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr. Manhattan, final answer. Can't really think of anyone stronger

#9 Posted by Pokeysteve (9189 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough to call since Cavil's Supe was never really hurt. The world engine exploding knocked him down for a bit but it wasn't 100% Earth's atmosphere around the area.

Dr. Manhattan
Silver Surfer
Blackheart possibly

Parallax and Galactus don't have many on screen feats but at the same time I don't see how MoS would beat either of them. Reeve's Superman has better strength feats but loses in a fight.

#10 Posted by Wolverine08 (48145 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#11 Posted by RBT (6585 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer, Movie Eon, Krrish and Dr. Manhattan, all would own him in a fight.

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#12 Edited by nickzambuto (18575 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who still thinks Thor was more powerful...?

#13 Posted by Fallschirmjager (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

There are plenty more powerful.

Am I the only one who still things Thor was more powerful...?

Yes.

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#14 Posted by AngryHulks (3116 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough to call since Cavil's Supe was never really hurt. The world engine exploding knocked him down for a bit but it wasn't 100% Earth's atmosphere around the area.

Dr. Manhattan

Silver Surfer

Blackheart possibly

Parallax and Galactus don't have many on screen feats but at the same time I don't see how MoS would beat either of them. Reeve's Superman has better strength feats but loses in a fight.

Those guys saved for Dr. Manhattan aren't heroes anyway...

#15 Edited by green_skaar (6132 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, not even close.

#16 Posted by WillPayton (11499 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Manhattan is the most powerful that I can think of.

#17 Edited by WillPayton (11499 posts) - - Show Bio

Also... NOT A BATTLE.

#18 Edited by Experio (18207 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Manhattan

#19 Edited by Sparnage (303 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm?
Nah, probably Dr. Manhattan.
Then again, since others listed Villains even though the OP stated heroes, Thanos made a cameo at the end of Avengers, and we know that Ultron is going to be in the next Avengers. Also, Adam Warlock in next years GotG movie.

#20 Posted by Silverrings (3120 posts) - - Show Bio

Manhattan could do whatever he wanted to Superman.

Jean Grey could dissolve him.

Professor X could probably mindrape him.

I'm pretty sure the planet-busting Bifrost would destroy him.

I suppose Invisible Woman could theoretically take out Supes, with some well-placed forcefields, but we never see her do anything with her forcefields to suggest that she could, so probably not.

Mephisto, maybe, using magic powers, or a deal, or something..?

Spawn, perhaps, if his powers, which are magic, too, work on Supes..?

I don't think Hancock was on Superman's level, but maybe i'm wrong..?

Then there's some villains, like Parallax, Galactus and the big, nasty octopi from Hellboy, who could, possibly, take down Superman, but i'm not positive...

#21 Edited by Sparnage (303 posts) - - Show Bio

@silverrings: What movie was Mephisto/Galactus in? Just a question.

#22 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (26286 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr. Manhattan comes to mind first.

Then comes Galactus, he destroyed planets off panel. Then it's parallax, but I did not pay attention to GL movie.

Few X men characters can take him, but they lack the speed to keep up, or stop getting blitzed.

And of course, there's rorschach. "Do it!", and superman commits suicide.

#23 Posted by Sparnage (303 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Edited by Silverrings (3120 posts) - - Show Bio

@sparnage said:

@silverrings: What movie was Mephisto/Galactus in? Just a question.

Mephisto was in Ghost Rider, but he didn't have any proper feats in that, he's just "meant" to be very powerful. I haven't seen the second one, though.

Galactus was in the second Fantastic Four film, and could apparently bust planets, but the same thing as above applies; lack of proper, on-screen feats.

#25 Posted by Carter_esque (6705 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Manhattan is the most powerful that I can think of.

Also... NOT A BATTLE.

This

#26 Posted by Fallschirmjager (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

Guys.

He said "HERO".

Galactus/Black Heart/Nuclear Man - aren't heroes.

Dr. Manhatten - kind of a hero, though he's more neutral tbh.

Reeves Superman definitely is more powerful. So is Routh's.

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#27 Posted by Pokeysteve (9189 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: @angryhulks:

Ever displayed in a movie?

Who, from a movie universe, could beat MoS Superman based off feats?

Reeves Restricted due to obvious, ridiculous reasons.

OP never specifies hero or villain just simply "Who".

#28 Posted by RBT (6585 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve: The title of the thread is- Is Man of Steel Superman The Single Strongest HERO?

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#29 Posted by Strongarm (5881 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by AllStarSuperman (27352 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: parallax? Didn't that thing...fly itself into the sun's gravity with the same forsight as me walking in front of a moving bus....that I see coming? Idk about that lol Smokey Galactus could, sure, but Self-Destructive Smokey Parallax is a bit much...

And blue guy from Watchmen pretty much takes the crown...

Parallax > Galactus, Both destroyed planets, but Parallax also took out Sinestro and 4 elite GL's

Manhattan could do whatever he wanted to Superman.

Jean Grey could dissolve him.

Professor X could probably mindrape him.

SPEEDBLITZ!

Guys.

He said "HERO".

Galactus/Black Heart/Nuclear Man - aren't heroes.

Dr. Manhatten - kind of a hero, though he's more neutral tbh.

Reeves Superman definitely is more powerful. So is Routh's.

Reeve > Cavil > Routh

#31 Edited by Fallschirmjager (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: Island feat trumps Cavill by a large margin.

The World Engine was only skyscrapper size.

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#32 Posted by Pokeysteve (9189 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@Pokeysteve: The title of the thread is- Is Man of Steel Superman The Single Strongest HERO?

That's the title yes. Then the OP just asks who. If the original poster clarifies than I'd be happy retract my Blackheart and.....whomever else I said haha.

#33 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Manhattan possibly.

#34 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3973 posts) - - Show Bio

To anybody wondering, I meant strictly "Hero", sorry for any contradicting.

#35 Edited by AllStarSuperman (27352 posts) - - Show Bio

Speed: Cavill

Durability: tie cavill has not been hurt and routh is very durable to say the least.

Strength: routh. But cavill is decently strong

Fighting skills: yeah Cavill actually punches people, and routh never threw one punch so....

#36 Posted by AllStarSuperman (27352 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (2214 posts) - - Show Bio

Speed: Cavill

Durability: tie cavill has not been hurt and routh is very durable to say the least.

Strength: routh. But cavill is decently strong

Fighting skills: yeah Cavill actually punches people, and routh never threw one punch so....

Um didn't Routh's Superman fly to Krypton and back in like a 5 year span? Because that would put his speed at WAYYYYY greater than Cavill's

#38 Edited by Fallschirmjager (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

The island feat puts Routh way above Cavill in Strength and Durability.

Cavill was getting wreaked by Krypton's atmosphere. Kryponite should have at least a similar, if not harsher effect on Superman. And he still lifted the island. (PIS, but still)

That easily puts him at millions, possibly billions of tons. Even if it wasn't kryponite, the sheer weight of it is a awesome durability feat.

Cavill only feats in the 100's, maybe 1000's.

Obvioiusly I can't argue fighting skills.

And I don't remember (or want to rewatch) the movie to comment about speed. But given he was written with a silver age mentality, I don't think Cavill would be faster.

MoS was a way better movie, but still.

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#39 Posted by Sparnage (303 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam Warlock

#40 Posted by RetconCrisis (4674 posts) - - Show Bio

Reeve and Routh Superman, Silver Surfer from FF2.

#41 Edited by Silverrings (3120 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

@silverrings said:

Manhattan could do whatever he wanted to Superman.

Jean Grey could dissolve him.

Professor X could probably mindrape him.

SPEEDBLITZ!

I don't think Supes can move faster than thought in the film, so Grey and Prof should be fine, although, while they could be killed via speedblizting, Manhattan couldn't, and the same death-by-thought thing applies to him, too. And Manhattan can teleport.

#42 Posted by Fallschirmjager (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

@silverrings: I agree he can't beat Manhatten (who can't die), but I did some calculations on Man of Steel vs TP. Its not absolute, as things like these rarely are, but its not out of the question for him to speedblitz.

All right. I want to settle Phoenix vs MOS debate once and for all.

The Human mind requires on average about .25 seconds to recognize a threat. IE. You're driving and you see the car in front of you slam on his brakes. Or in this case. Phoenix sees Man of Steel ,realizes's he a threat.

It then requires about another .25s to do something about it. IE: You then decide to slam on your brakes. Phoenix decides she is going to control his mind.

So...at MINIMUM under the assumptionthat Phoenix's ability triggers instantly she would need .50 seconds to mind-rape Man of Steel.

Now. Man of Steel is Kryptonian and given he is superior to us in every way (and since we have to make some assumptions to even have all of this)...lets assume he can think twice as fast as a human. So he needs .125 seconds to recognize the X-men as a threat and another .125s to decide what to do about it.

That means he has a .25 window for him to attack everyone.

Here is my calculation of Man of Steel Speed.

@fallschirmjager said:
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5:08. Superman is temporarily taken aback in mid air. Zod tackles him and they go fying upwards. We later see them exchanging blows as they go higher, before stopping at the Wayne Satellite at 5:16.

They did start a few hundred feet from the ground, but that is negligible given the distance traveled. While they are fighting on the Satellite we can clearly see the Earth in the back ground, the Satellite is CLEARLY in Low-Earth Orbit.

Low Earth Orbit is a MAXIMUM of 1273 miles above the earth.

Now its hard to say exactly how high the how high the satellite is. Normally, satellites orbit at minimum of 200 miles above the earth and a maximum of about 1200 (in low earth orbit). Since we don't have an exact number, we'll just calculate both numbers and it will give us a range of speed.

200 miles in 8 seconds. or 25 miles per second. 1500 miles per minute. 90,000 miles per hour. Or Mach 117 (rounded down)

1200 miles in 8 seconds. or 150 miles per second. Or 9000 miles per minute. Or 540,000 miles per hour. Or Mach 703 (rounded down)

So there you have it. During his fight with Zod both Superman and Zod were flying anywhere from Mach 117 to Mach 703. Given that they were both doing this, it gives legitimacy to the speed feat.

Now I personally think its closer to 117 than it is 703 as I don't think they were quite 1200 miles above the earth. But I have no way of knowing. If the satellite is used by Wayne Enterprises its most probably for communications and thus probably lower...but if it was built by them and sold to someone else...it could be used for who knows what. Wayne Enterprises also has contracts with the military (in comics)...and if its in use by the military it could very well be 1200 miles above the earth, as some military satellites are.

I'm hoping they will tell us in MoS 2 what kind of satellite it was, as that would give us a far more accurate guess about the distance traveled.

1 mile per hour = 1.46666666666667 feet per second.

Man of Steels slowest speed was 90,000 miles per hour. That is 132,000 feet per second.

His fastest speed was 540,000 miles per hour. That is 792,000 feet per second.

132,000 x .25 = 33,000 feet.

792,000 x .25 = 198,000 feet.

So. Man of Steel, assuming he can think at least twice as fast as a human being, can travel anywhere from 33,000 to 198,000 feet in one-quarter of second. That is 6.25 to 37.5 miles.

Unless the two teams are starting farther away than that, I think Man of Steel can successfully blitz them without much trouble - and he has plenty of room to spare to be honest.

This is all assuming he can think twice as fast as human being. I don't think its an unreasonable assumption given Superman lore has displayed him having advanced thought processes

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#43 Posted by MonsterStomp (24591 posts) - - Show Bio

People are confusing strength with power. Superman Returns, Superman was strong. He lifted a continent into outa space. A kryptonite continent.

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#44 Posted by patrat18 (11589 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr Manhattan. The guy was popping people like popcorn.

#45 Posted by Justthatkid (5953 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr. Manhattan, final answer. Can't really think of anyone stronger

#46 Edited by Silverrings (3120 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager Yeah, Manhattan wins because Superman can't kill him, of course, as well as because he can, presumably, do anything he wants to Superman. That's some impressive calculating, but it definitely depends on too much to be concrete, i think, so i'm sticking by the idea that Jean and the Professor could mind-punch Supes into submission, if only just.

#47 Edited by Wardemon32 (5488 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone enlightment me because I have literally no clue how you guys can Galactus is powerful. He had literally no feats besides eating a planet(Which is basic since he's a giant-_-).

But what else was he really shown to do? He literally did nothing but fly to a planet and die.....BY A SIDEKICK!

I mean wouldn't a fight between him and any Superman for that matter(Reeve, Cavill, Routh) force them to go out in space and fight leaving them closer to the sun and eventually getting enough power to replicate the same blast SS did? The guy just stood there and watched SS literally give him a lecture about how he wont work for him and then powered up for over 30 seconds and Galactus did zilch.

By feats Parallax should be able to beat him without any difficulty.

Edit: Dr. Manhattan can beat him. Parallax can possibly beat him if Cavill doesn't think to use heat vision.

#48 Posted by AllStarSuperman (27352 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Posted by Silverrings (3120 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

@silverrings: Manhatten cant harm superman

Bollocks. He can turn him into porridge. It doesn't have to "hurt", Manhattan still beats Superman pretty effortlessly.

#50 Posted by Jgames (2359 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce Almighty stomps with his ultra reality warping also Morgan freeman god