Is It PIS If It Happens All The Time?

Everything here is speculation. The only difference is whether some speculation is more founded than others. Feats are nice, but feats dont tell the whole story. Also, many people like to make a lot of unwarranted assumptions from feats. Feats alone will not get you anywhere. People need to stop worshiping at the Altar of Feats.

I already addressed the point of if I consider something PIS and somebody else doesn't. It doesn't matter. Where did you get the idea that everyone had to agree? Before you say then nothing will ever be settled What gave you the idea everything can be settled? We're critiquing ideas and works of fiction. Sure there are some things that are easier than others with common sense. A normal man with no powers suddenly punching through the time barrier but it's still just judgment. You mat not consider it PIS but I would and am only going to value it as PIS unless you can change my mind.

People really need to get their heads out of the Battle Forums. PIS is not a product of them nor are they limited to feats. I find those complaining about the concept of PIS are those who have issues because of the Battle Forum Mind set whether they're a battle forum goer or not.

@pooty: if its something like the cw flash keeps getting hit, then i take into consideration he is just a crappy fighter, but this is the same character who plucked a bullet that was shot at the back of his head from only a few feet away.

As soon as he felt it touch him, he was quick enough to BLINDLY pluck it out of the air.

recap

he was busy fighting one meta human, someone shot him the bullet slightly touched his skull, and his reaction time and speed was so fast he grabbed it before it killed him.

This same character keeps getting hit and punched by people with normal human speed levels, or peak human speed.

It happens all the time, but to me that is stupid. One minute he is plucking bullets blindly, the next grodd, and vandal get the drop on him?

@willpayton: Everything here is speculation. The only difference is whether some speculation is more founded than others. Feats are nice, but feats dont tell the whole story. Also, many people like to make a lot of unwarranted assumptions from feats. Feats alone will not get you anywhere. People need to stop worshiping at the Altar of Feats.

I mean it is pretty difficult to claim say Wally reacting in a picosecond is .....ehhh "speculation" given it is explicitly noted on panel....but congratulations anyway for claiming so.

And that's what I mean by "fan fiction". So basically, you want to say Team DC wins all the time , and say someone like Kingan or Randomsid will have Team Marvel win all the time, and you can't really argue against that without contradicting yourself, which leads to the bemusing question as to why you bother in the first place. Since everything is speculation anyway, and you frequently get intio debates with....for lack of a better word, the "marvel crowd", what are you even trying to prove except for the fact that you don't believe in your own logic? You are never going to change their minds and you have no right to call anyone else wrong given everything is speculation anyway , so stop contradicting your own doctrine. Your speculation is no "better founded" than any other speculation , except by an (extremely) arbitrary set of rules you set for yourself , which anyway leaves you no right to criticise anyone else's arbitrary set of rules for their own speculation

In fact,since everything is speculation and these long winded arguments are nothing but more speculation this

Everything here is speculation. The only difference is whether some speculation is more founded than others. Feats are nice, but feats dont tell the whole story. Also, many people like to make a lot of unwarranted assumptions from feats. Feats alone will not get you anywhere. People need to stop worshiping at the Altar of Feats.

means Hulk can totally thrash Superman, Doomsday and heh...Alan Scott at the same time, effortlessly. After all, "feats don't tell the whole story" and since "some speculation is more founded than others"( who's to decide anyway? You? Ha!) I feel glad that you agree with me that the Hulk will obliterate the aforementioned 3 at the same time, without effort

Thank you. I never knew you were such a Hulk fan but I'm glad you are beginning to see the light now.

@dernman: Great, so you admit PIS is a subjective construct of your own mind and can't be applied as a blanket statement to everyone you disagree with.

That's all I was looking for.

No I admit its uses judgment to determine what is PIS like anything uses judgment to determine something. You can disagree on what something PIS is but it still exists and you CAN use it as a factor to dismiss it. Some are more debatable than others. Some are not really debatable at all.

Your problem is you still have the Battle Forum mind set.

Its PIS when it is really high end and doesn't happen often also a lot of the time it can be CIS.

Sure, I could live with that against the context of the comic books he routinely appears in.

But for battle forum discussions, where each combatant is trying their best, I agree completely with the battle forum rules that say Supes will blitz an opponent.

But I do see exactly what you mean and I agree.

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Pretty much....the above.

@dernman: Prove something is PIS, with facts.

It's a fact that a normal powerless man cannot punch a hole in time, space, or reality..

Regardless it's irrelevant by asking that question I can to that the point I was making went over your head and possibly you're still stuck in the Battle Forum Mind set. If I wasn't so lazy I guess I could try a few more ways to approach explaining it to you but I'd rather just end it since it's reached my threshold of interest.

Squirrel Girl is the most powerful being ever...no PIS

What I think PIS is when something that shouldnt happen just happen without any explaination, althou what should actually happened is totally to someone's own opinion and cant be really decided if its PIS or not unless its a really high end PIS

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@dernman: Maybe a normal man couldn't, but in Comic Books, sure. Makes sense to me.

Then I seriously question your judgment as sound. Even in comics there are levels of rules depending on the universe.

@dernman: Ditto.

Thank you. Considering the source doubts PIS's existence i find that a compliment.

@dernman: You shouldn't, I was also saying your judgement is flawed.

But reading is hard, right? No harm no foul buddy.

Talks about reading being hard, fails to comprehend what I meant, said and how it connects. Good one.

For other users.

You believe something can be stupid?

You believe plot can induced something?

If you answer yes to both then you believe in PIS.

@dernman: I understand what you're saying just fine. Do you?

"Comics are subjective. But I'm right and you're wrong, even though I can't provide facts to back up my argument."

No you don't and you've shown that.

Subjective. Already addressed that.

Nope you're still wrong get use to it.

Except you didn't back it up. What little you had to offer was addressed.

Too bad so sad.

@dernman: Whatever you need to tell yourself. I'm tired of hearing you talk in circles, we both know who was right here and that's what matters.

@ryubh: that story is non canon anyways.... not really pis if its fake

I don't need to tell myself anything because the truth is on my side on this.

I'm tired of hearing you talk in circles,

yeah wasting time with your not facing the obvious truth. Instead you'll bury your head and accept any stupid trash they feed you and say "comic"

Some of us have standards.

we both know who was right here and that's what matters.

So now you're switching you story and saying I'm right. Whatever.

@dernman: Again, if you want to think that, it's alright. But we both know that I was correct.

Again I don't have to think I'm correct because PIS exists and I'm right.

But we both know that I was correct

Another example of you being wrong but I'm not surprised. You make a habit of it. Case in point. 1. You thinking PIS not existing. 2 You thinking I would mistakenly think PIS didn't exists and believe you were right when you're obviously wrong. 3. Not pointing it out that you're still stubbornly denying it because you know you buy into any plot induced stupidity fed to you by creators.

You want to end it that's fine can see that but you got to stop insisting that I would have such terrible judgment that I would deny PIS existence.

@dernman: Like I said, you can think that if you want. I'm done here.

Cool

Yes.

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Of course. As some have said, some stories or plots couldn't even work otherwise and some writers are aware of that. If some characters operated at their normal potential, there will be close to no way to hurt them. That is why some hero's weaknesses were introduced in the first place.

I don't understand people who argue otherwise, maybe as a result of extreme fanboysim. It doesn't matter if the writers make normal humans kick an invulnerable character and make them bleed or k/o them every other issue, it is still stupidity to advance the plot.