Is Broly A Galaxy Buster?

Some people say he is but others say he's not. Proof of either argument?

Quite obviously. Although, Broly isn't cannon so it doesn't matter.

Well at the beginning of the movie you see a galaxy bustling with life and then the next it's destroyed all at once by an outside force. King Kai and the narrator then state that the Southern Galaxy is gone. So yes, he's a Galaxy Buster.

Srry tp go off topic for a second but broly sounds like a piece of broccoli from 2006. Bro+Brocoli=Broly

Yes he is.

No he's not

The movie itself takes place in the same galaxy he supposedly "destroyed"

It's only stated to have been attacked

Kaio tells goku to go check on southern galaxy

Goku goes to a planet physically still there and confirms it's been attacked

He got killed by Terry Crews, so who cares.

Wonder what number this thread is..... it's been done so many times i:

A flat out galaxy buster? no. He did it in about a decade.

He seems to have left out a small fraction, as we see some stars/planets in the movie, but still, almost all of it was gone, which is still quite impressive in it's own right.

he is by plot.

this should be in general discussion.

fun fact all DBZ characters are puns based on food.

All broly did was wreck/destroy the habitable planets

He's shown as a teen destroying a city and kaiosama say that this has been going on for a while

The south galaxy is said to be attacked by a super saiyan

Those little aliens say that they were "attacked" by the super saiyan and forced off the planet

Broly destroyed a lot of planets rapidly over time. If that makes him a galaxy buster, I suppose an amped Superman can be one too.

Brolly obliterated 99% of the galaxy in 7sec. Arguments to the contrary are by haters with nothing to support their arguments. King Kai's reaction proves it happened rather suddenly and the sheer intensity of it was enough to get his attention from the other side of the cosmos, given the Southern Galaxy isn't even his jurisdiction. The Narrator also tells you what just happened.

There is no indication this took place over a long period of time.Some claimed the spinning of the galaxy proves it, then ignore the fact that a galaxy could not be perceived spinning at such a rate and would take millions of years to give such an indication. Which means it was the camera spinning, not the galaxy since you could never actually perceive the movement of a galaxy within that time frame.

Flashbacks of Brolly attacking worlds as a kid doesn't mean it occurred within the South Galaxy. There is no indication in the story nor Daizenshuu that Brolly destroyed worlds gradually in the South Galaxy. As far as anyone is concerned, those events while he was young took place in the East and West Galaxies and had nothing to do with the South Galaxy until taken there by Paragus prior to hitting up the North Galaxy to collect Vegeta.

Another factor that the haters continued to ignore is the fact that Brolly performed this feat against the Southern Galaxy while in a restricted form, proven by the fact he still bore the Control Crown that diminished his power and kept him under Paragus' control. The most he could achieve with it is a suppressed Super Saiyan, which was still strong enough to shrug off attacks from a USSJ Vegeta.

The South Galaxy is like a sandwich. Just because there are crumbs left, doesn't mean you didn't eat the sandwich.

I think he wiped out most of it in one shot.

@reikai: or maybe it was just summing up what broly was doing? No king kai didn't instantly react to it, his words to goku implies it's been going on for a while, and yeah, the narrator says that the southern galaxy has been attacked

So near dead goku with near dead friends energy is a galaxy buster, it all makes sense now

Flashbacks of broly attacking cities as a kid doesn't say it wasn't in the southern galaxy either

So don't try to say that "as far as anyone is concerned" crap because nowhere is it implied they went to those galaxies

@dbzk1999: You can't prove those events occurred in the Southern Galaxy and since your side claims they did, those claims are meaningless without evidence. And we're all aware that Goku pulled a Plot-Device out to win. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, PD will automatically work regardless of logic. Hence why they even called the thing Goku's "Miracle Punch".

miracle

1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.

Given that a Plot-Device is a writers tool, this makes it all the more clear.

@reikai: yeah and you can't prove they weren't in the southern galaxy

Doesn't matter if it's a plot device or not

Near dead goku and near dead friends energy is a galaxy buster

Don't know why this gets made so much.

People still care about this? Get over it, Broly's non-canon, DBZ is inconsistent and full of hyperbole,and above all that, this was so many years ago and the Creator doesn't care about it anymore, so no true answer can be provided to this question.

And I say all this as a DBZ fan myself.

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@iamoptimusprime: creator wasn't even involved in this huge hyperbole to begin with

Ok, I don't remember much about these anyway. So who was it that made this thing anyway, if not AT?

@iamoptimusprime: toei were the ones responsible for the first 13 movies

Akira toriyama had no involvement except for coming up with a few designs for some of the villains

@dbzk1999: Fact is, I don't have to prove they weren't in the South Galaxy as a kid. You do, because you made the claim. Plot Devices do matter. You can't ignore them because you choose to.

@iamoptimusprime: Tadayoshi Yamamuro was the character designer behind Brolly with the screenplay written by Takao Koyama and some assists by Akira Toriyama, though he didn't do any direct writing. Yamamuro also worked on "Battle of Gods" alongside Toriyama and the two of them argued a lot over what SSG should look like.

Yamamuro works within Toriyama's art style so very well, that Toriyama has admitted at being unable to tell sometimes what he's drawn and what Yamamuro did.

Since Brolly is not canon to the main series universe, that only makes him that much more impressive. One can't claim that the Z-fighters in his alternate timeline are equal to those of the Main Series. "History of Future Trunks" has already shown us that there are differences between the universes as the Androids in his future are a lot weaker than those he encountered in the past.

People are under the false belief that a SS2 or SS3 automatically beats a SS1. They fail to recognize that it's all a numbers game, and all the transformations are is a series of multipliers. For example

Q: If Saiyan A has a PL of 50thousand and can only achieve SS1 while Saiyan B has a PL of 5thousand but can achieve SS3, would Saiyan B defeat Saiyan A?

A: No

SS3 multiplies base level by 4xSS2 or 400xBase. 400x5000=200thousand.

SS1 multiplies by 50xBase. 50x50k=250k

This would make Saiyan A 25% stronger than Saiyan B.

I could care less for power levels because they are useless and have been dropped. It's all too confusing.

Thanks for the extra info, though.

Also, because he is Non-Canon and doesn't really have much of a background, means that using him in debates is a bad Idea.

QFT, he isn't.

I'm pretty sure that Broly destroyed the galaxy over time, not in a single blast.

@iamoptimusprime: And technically 99% of the Star Wars Universe is non-canon thanks to Disney yet people repeatedly use it, so that logic doesn't fly. PL does matter because it was done by the Series Creator and despite his own figures stopping at Freeza Saga, Toei/Funimation continued to produce them afterwords anyway.

And Brolly is a galaxy buster. It's been proven. None of the haters griping is going to change that.

@reikai: let's see

They'd be in the southern galaxy because I don't know

That's the only one that was mentioned TO BE ATTACKED

Why would Paragus travel to the southern galaxy from the other galaxies when he could just simply make another planet vegeta on the galaxy he's currently on and then hunt down vegeta?

So in short, yes YOU have to prove they weren't in the southern galaxy when those scenes happened.

@dbzk1999: Yes, only mentioned Brolly attacked it in the opening sequence as noted by the Narrator and King Kai in the moment he nuked the Southern Galaxy. No such was given during flashbacks, so you have no evidence they took place in the South Galaxy. And that's not going to change.

Why not just say the middle-left galaxy from the far right corner of Albequerque? Because that's the story as it was written and you're fuming isn't changing the written story.

Brolly nuked the South Galaxy. It's a fact. What few worlds left would be on the Outer Edges, and those were ruined wastelands, as evidenced by Goku's travels. Also evidence of this being a very recent event was Goku sensing the residual ki on those worlds left behind after their destruction.

Why those like yourself continue to deny these things without any supportive evidence really just shows the degree of spite you have against Brolly. What does it matter what he's the most obscenely overpowered character in the DBU? If you don't like'im, don't use him in your debates. Your complaints don't make him any less a galaxy-buster.

Toei=/=AT himself.

99%? Where do you get this info from?Broly was non-canon from the beginning and still has no background.

Tell me, how does one, who is an insect to a galaxy (unless you're a skyfather like Odin, or a Cosmic Entity like Galactus, or as powerful as Alien X) blow up a Galaxy with a single energy attack (Unless you're TTGL, Getter Emperor, or Demonbane) yet leave at least one or two planets and a few dozen stars left alive? Or even make the attack as big as a Galaxy to begin with?

And if he is, then he should have been through with the Z Fighters and killed them easily. His strongest attack, the Omega Blaster, can only destroy a planet.

Face it, no proof exists of Broly being a Galaxy Buster, just a rendition and some hyperbole.

It is clear that debating this issue is futile and nothing more than a waste of time.

Adios, Amigo.

@reikai: quit saying I hate broly , I like him

Anyways

Yeah they mentioned he attacked it, those little aliens from planet shamo also said broly attacked them, their planet was still there, during that entire fight with broly, he's only shown destroying a planet.

Yes such was given, the guy as a child is shown destroying a city, Paragus doesn't want broly to destroy the galaxy, he wants to use him to enslave it, why enslave something destroyed?

It's up to you to prove they weren't in the southern galaxy,

The southern galaxy is the only galaxy mentioned to have been attacked

Paragus says that the super saiyan has been attacking ONLY the southern galaxy

The narrator says the southern galaxy (and no other galaxies) have been attacked

King kai only mentions the southern galaxy to have been attacked

Broly and Paragus aren't shown with a way to travel to other galaxies besides their ship (which Paragus isn't shown with in the flashbacks)

Rules, man, rules. Fail to follow them and your account will be Terminated.

@iamoptimusprime: then tell him to stop calling me a hater when he has nothing to back that up

And this goes for you too, don't make baseless assumptions.

And this, friends, is why DBZ-related threads never turn out well.

I repeat, for the 2nd time, Adios, Amigos.

@iamoptimusprime: It's certainly not baseless since it's the same group of people bringing up the same issue over and over again, despite being beaten down and proven wrong over and over again.

The truth of the matter is simple; they have no evidence to discredit Brolly. None. Because no such evidence exists. The movie and story has not changed in 20yrs. Their arguments have not changed in more than 10yrs. Their is no reason to indulge their baseless criticisms.

Brolly's status has already long been proven and established. Opinions to the contrary are meaningless and a waste of time.

@pineda_moi: Then what does it do, destroy planets in one chain? If not, then what level is it?

@reikai: Oh, and you calling them haters is a baseless assumption.

Oh, and one more thing, this issue is insignificant, as are all DBZ-related threads, so just get on with your lives, don't bring up DBZ power level issues in Comicvine, and also, there is no evidence suggesting he destroyed one either, amd you don't have an answer as to how one who is an insect to a Galaxy can destroy it in one go. Not that it matters, anyway.

He`s a Galaxy Buster and above.

@iamoptimusprime: The opening sequence proves he's a galaxy-buster along with King Kai's reaction to the event. The "How" is easy because it's the same formula for all DBZ-related things. He formed a singularly powerful ki attack that was fired near the center of the galaxy. The blast of which spread a wave of destruction outward across the bulk of the Southern Galaxy.

Oft times I have used the Superman TAS series as an example for this. Well, mostly just the episode where Supes finds Kara and we see the flashback of how her planet got ruined. Which was the result of Krypton's explosion sending out waves across the whole system, destroying their moon and irradiating the planet Kara's family lived on, sundering the whole world.

I used that event as an example because it accurately portrays what occurred with Brolly and shows why, even when there were some planets still existing, they were dead and ruined with no remaining life on them. The only difference is Scale. Brolly's blast affected the whole galaxy and not just a single system.

And we know it was a single blast because any other explanation would have Brolly and/or his Ki blasts moving at speeds in excess of trillions of times FTL. And that's why we don't follow that line of reasoning. Brolly's initial blast doesn't have to be FTL so long as the sheer force behind it is great enough that the explosive wave caused by its detonation rips across the Southern Galaxy at a rate of speed we witnessed in the opening sequence.

As I've said before, this was accomplished while Brolly was still Restrained. The control crown diminishes his power and prevents him from transforming further. And it was confirmed in the film that it was functioning normally Once it was broken, Brolly's power increased immensely.

So it doesn't matter if people tried to claim that Brolly wasn't a complete galaxy-buster at the start, because his later transformation throws all their arguments out the window, then stamps on them for good measure.

@reikai: you say there's no other explanation

Yet I guess you're just forgetting that Paragus and broly had that fast ship)

@kr0nus11: I think at the beginning, it showed Broly destroying the galaxy over time. By the end of Dragon Ball, Goku, Majin Buu are galaxy level. Technically, it really just depends on how you perceive the beginning. One thing is undeniable though, and that is that Broly is a multi Star/ Solar System Buster.

The entire MOVIE took place in the Galaxy Broly supposedly "destroyed".

He isn't. It's a translation error.

@dbzk1999: You mean the ship with no armaments whatsoever that was just used to transport Paragus' crew that Brolly wasn't even on because he was on New Planet Vegeta while Paragus was away with said ship in the North Galaxy to collect Vegeta and co?

Should really pay attention to those details.

@reikai: yep the ship that could travel a galaxy in a presumably short period of time

Maybe you should pay attention to the fact that broly and vegeta also used it

So try paying attention to that detail

I doubt it.

Beata

@dbzk1999: Yeah, Vegeta took Brolly with him. Long after Brolly had already busted the galaxy. So what's your point? Trying to say Brolly rode a ship around the galaxy to fire things off? Utterly pointless. Especially since Brolly doesn't need one.