#1 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

is there anyone on par with batman?

#2 Posted by RatFace (28 posts) - - Show Bio

Are you talking about just DC, DC & Marvel, or comics in general?

#3 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RatFace: both in DC and comics in general.

#4 Edited by JohnnyGat (1570 posts) - - Show Bio

iirc Bronze Tiger beat Batman hand to hand

http://www.comicvine.com/bronze-tiger/29-23535/bronze-tiger-respect-thread/92-385581/

The first post shows Bronze Tiger beating Batman and dominating most of a rematch.

#5 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

On par?

Lady Shiva

Deathstroke

David Cain

Bronze Tiger

Theres more

#6 Posted by Nerd Of A Hero (884 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course Batman is a skilled fighter, he's BATMAN.

But of course there are others that are either his match or better than him in terms of skill or just because they just got enhancements.

Shiva, bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon (IDK about him much), Batgirl and Black canary (don't doubt her abilities) can match up to Batman.

Deathstroke beat him because of his super solider serum which granted him enhanced abilities and deadly tactics, and Azrael (Jean-Paul) beat him silly because of his genetic enhancements. Prometheus is another guy that once beat Batman but later came back around and him him back. Wonder Woman is a very skilled fighter and would flatten Batman without a doubt. There's many more guys out there but I can't think of them right now.

#7 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5440 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nerd Of A Hero

Of course Batman is a skilled fighter, he's BATMAN.

But of course there are others that are either his match or better than him in terms of skill or just because they just got enhancements.

Shiva, bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon (IDK about him much), Batgirl and Black canary (don't doubt her abilities) can match up to Batman.

Deathstroke beat him because of his super solider serum which granted him enhanced abilities and deadly tactics, and Azrael (Jean-Paul) beat him silly because of his genetic enhancements. Prometheus is another guy that once beat Batman but later came back around and him him back. Wonder Woman is a very skilled fighter and would flatten Batman without a doubt. There's many more guys out there but I can't think of them right now.

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#8 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nerd Of A Hero: since deathstroke beated batman cause of his genetic enchancements. does that mean if deathstroke didnt have them would he have lost?

#9 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos said:

is there anyone on par with batman?

On par = not sure

Superior = plenty

#10 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: can batman beat captain america or wolverine if they werent genetically enchanced?

#11 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos:

  • Wolverine ain't he is born with them as a natural mutation, bats gets shanked
  • Cap is interesting case (he is one person I would say on par with batman)
#12 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: lets just say wolverine never had a natural mutation and we just go by his h2h skills can he still beat batman? and what about deathstroke and captain america if they both were genetically enchanced who would win?

#13 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos: problem with comics is that they have an irkish way of showing Martial arts skills,

  • wolvie is supposed to be martial arts master yet whenever there is big fight he is always tagged by enemy to show off his healing factor
  • batman is said to be master of 127 arts yet they only mostly show flying kicks and ninja sh!t (nothing else)
  • DS and cap are military people, they do combatives that would **** up most people
#14 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: true. just like superman with super speed they make him rather tank the bullets instead of dodging them to look cool i guess, so that people can see the bullets bounce off him.

and is ds and cap almost the same? in fighting and in being genetically enchanced? or is ds more enchanced or is cap more enchanced? and what if they both wasnt enchanced and they fought each other would win in h2h?

#15 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio

Karate Kid is much better than Batman.

#16 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos said:

@RumbleMan_Exe: true. just like superman with super speed they make him rather tank the bullets instead of dodging them to look cool i guess, so that people can see the bullets bounce off him.

and is ds and cap almost the same? in fighting and in being genetically enchanced? or is ds more enchanced or is cap more enchanced? and what if they both wasnt enchanced and they fought each other would win in h2h?

DS is one of the good cap copies, and he is badass (and more amped) but cap have crazy jobber aura

Superman tanks bullets so civilians don't get harmed, wolvie has no excuse for doing stupid act. Sometimes in panels where he is with cyke he gets more hits from books compared to other x fighters.

#17 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: is ds a villain or anti-hero?

#18 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos: both

in his own series he is anti-hero, and it is not his fault jericho went dead because of teen titans

#19 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: how many more anti-heroes are there in dcu?

#20 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos: Midnighter x)

plenty

#21 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: like lobo?

#22 Posted by Strider92 (16523 posts) - - Show Bio

There are plenty of people better perhaps a few on par. Here's a list of people that spring to mind:

  • Backlash
  • Mantis
  • Taskmaster (when not jobbing)
  • Wolverine
  • Lady Shiva
  • Gamora
#23 Edited by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos: he's more like hells angel biker

Hitman is good example

#24 Posted by Nerd Of A Hero (884 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos: Don't know for sure but could be a 50-50 chance. He had military training and was trained by the same master assassin of Green Arrow so even then he wasn't to be messed with back then.

#25 Posted by TDK_1997 (14899 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke,Lady Shiva,Bronze Tiger.Those are the ones that are on par with him and can beat him sometimes.

#26 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: Agreed.

I don't think there's ever been a claim made that Batman is the greatest hand-to-hand fighter.

#27 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crash_Recovery: several writers stress that fact for some reason, found some stuff after lurking...

t'was weird

but there was an era where he did crazy MA sh!t like axe smash, vibrating palm and plenty of pressure point stuff

#28 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: That has to be 70s era stuff. Kung Fu movies and exploitation films were popular at the time and inspired other characters like Daniel Dragon, Iron Fist and Luke Cage.

#29 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crash_Recovery: I love 70's MA/ninja batman and 60' campy(non-dark) gadget batman

#30 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20264 posts) - - Show Bio

He's the best all-around fighter, but when it comes to actual battles, there are a handful who can best him; some without much effort.

#31 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: There's a whole lot of versions of Batman to love.

#32 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crash_Recovery: to me the quintessential version is the Bruce Timm/Kevin Conroy one

#33 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

Richard Dragon and Karate Kid are both superior

#34 Posted by jobbernos (1420 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: what level is deathstroke in? is he a street leveler? or is he higher?

#35 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@JamesKM716 said:

Richard Dragon and Karate Kid are both superior

#36 Posted by PowerHerc (84155 posts) - - Show Bio

Karate Kid is a more skilled hand-to-hand fighter than Batman.

#37 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: Man I love McDaniel art.

#38 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobbernos: *sigh* how many times does Slade have to mop Bruce's bloody jaw on the floor before this question stops. He did it 3 times btw.

#39 Posted by Th3DarkKn1ght24 (88 posts) - - Show Bio

No powers, no weapons just straight up skill?

Nobody can beat him but plenty could end in both passing out because they are evenly matched...But knowing Batman's mind, he would find a way to win anyway