Well there was a blog on Animevice from Red L.A.M.P. (Ethan). And if you're too lazy to actually read it, it said that people were adding a bunch of 'adult content' to the website and as such Google clasified the website as a porn site. I'm sure they want to avoid that for Comicvine and hence the enforced rules (plus the fact that it's a kid site).Animevice is seriously considered a porn site? Or was that before?
Is Adult Sex Comics Pornography?
Apparently google considered them a porn site for a while not sure if it still does since they apparently cleaned up their gallery content in response to the porn label.
i am not assuming anything i am putting the questions out there for people to ponder and wrestle with as well as inform others of the goin ons here and there.
i am not assuming anything i am putting the questions out there for people to ponder and wrestle with as well as inform others of the goin ons here and there.
Which is fine, I just aren't sure what you were trying to address towards me specifically, or, why you were willing to quote me before, but not now, so please if you have something you wish to direct at me, let me know please?
Somewhere along the line we seem to have gotten off topic. The question was posed: Are adult sex comics pornography? I would like to propose two possible definitions of pornography.
1. Media with sexual content that is intended to sexually arouse the consumer and that violates some subjective standard of appropriateness
2. Anything that has the primary or secondary effect of causing some level of sexual arousal
It seems to me that a better question to ask than the one posed is: What is the legitimate place of sexuality in comic books?
why is it creepin you out?
do you wanna talk about it?
should we lie you down on a coach while you unload and tell me how you feel about the subject?
No its just.... I feel wierd and.... well... this is really far out. SOOO different from other things. I can't really say
Well its in comics so it fits but its kind of *looks to both sides then whispers* dirty. I could go in on it like a few others but I'm not gonna 'cause its giving me goosebumps.
lol I was actually talking about you I just didn't want to name name's and get you branded as a perv :Pa mod? which mod are you forgetting? I've added several hundred non-US adult comics thank you very much! I wish they were translated in English sometimes though, I would love to read some Lucifera, even if my initial interest just came from me searching comic databases on my favorite character (Lucifer Morningstar)
I'd just like to point out that nobody would even be able to find these without searching them if you hadn't linked them in your OP.
@pikahyper said:
@aztek the lost said:lol I was actually talking about you I just didn't want to name name's and get you branded as a perv :Pa mod? which mod are you forgetting? I've added several hundred non-US adult comics thank you very much! I wish they were translated in English sometimes though, I would love to read some Lucifera, even if my initial interest just came from me searching comic databases on my favorite character (Lucifer Morningstar)
Anybody who's exchanged more than one sentence with Aztek knows that lol.
And to the original poster while AnimeVice might have been marked as a porn site for a time you already said it was because of the galleries, it would make sense because of the prevalence of hentai and doujinshi that their galleries would have been overflowing with adult imagery. ComicVine has nothing like that so the chances of the same happening here are minuscule since we only have covers and a lot of the older ones are censored unfortunately. Even as a whole adult comics probably make up around 1.5% of the 228k+ comics on this site and as far as I'm concerned that's not even worth raising a fuss over.
@Amazingoctus
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Well its in comics so it fits but its kind of *looks to both sides then whispers* dirty. I could go in on it like a few others but I'm not gonna 'cause its giving me goosebumps.
I must admit to being confused as to why this topic makes you uncomfortable. Talking about sex is, or should be, perfectly normal for adults.
@aztek the lost said:I don't care about the actual topic at hand because this has literally been brought up by at least a dozen individuals over the years who feel like they need to start a heated debate and in the end nobody cares what the staff said the rules are (otherwise they wouldn't keep making these topics)...
It makes sense to me that the rules for the forums would be more strict than for the wiki portion of the site. While I am aware that the topic, or similar ones, has been brought up before, I tend to see it as one of those topics that is just fun to discuss even if nothing gets resolved.
BTW. I never thought of you as a pervert. Your taste in comic books seems a bit interesting but then I have no right to throw stones so to speak.
Actually i'm happy that some euro-comics are finding their way onto this site.
Although comics like Druuna and anything by Milo Manara can be considered pornographic, they are amazing works of art.
i find them better drawn then anything thats american with maybe the acception of some covers done by Alex Ross.
i'm just not that into manga-style (unless done by actual japanese artists) or cartoon-style art, i like things to be more realistically drawn.
So can comics be considered pornographic? sure e.g. Druuna, Click, Bondage Fairies etc. but i find they have better stories than 99% of porn video's.
Do i think comics like Murena (european comic and sadly not yet on this site) is pornographic? Absolutely not, even though it has full frontal nudity and sexual acts in the book.
(it would be like calling the tv-show Spartacus or Rome pornographic)
The images shown here on comicvine of thor and sif or hercules and she-hulk are far from pornographic, but that's just my european opinion, i know americans tend to feel otherwise and get very nervous in general when nudity is considered.
Even porn is art. It is just subjective........sooooooooooooo a woman having sex with three guys at once is art? Yeah I don't buy that. Hard core pornography is not art, it's something to make people get horny. To me art is something that either inspires or makes you think of broader idea's. Porn is definitely not art, don't get me wrong I have nothing wrong with porn unless it's.... violent and just dehumanizing. Though some would argue all porn is dehumanizing.
These titles are included on the site because they're comics, and that's what this site is about. From my perspective, if I was a parent, I'd be grateful that I could log on and research any comic title; it would allow me to have educated conversations with my kid(s) about what I did and did not want them reading. Porn is out there, and not just on the internet; if a kid really wants to see it, he's going to find it, one way or another. It's prolific because because it plays on our biological reproductive drive, one of the most basic (and most natural) instincts we have. Rather than having roundtable discussions about how much exposed flesh is too much, maybe what we should all be doing is sitting down with our kids, talking to them, and listening to them. Find out what they're reading, find out what's popular with their crowd. Help them nurture a healthy perspective on sexuality, and teach them that, yes, there are some truly sick people in the world, and you'll find them everywhere, even in the comics industry. Prepare them for what they're going to have to deal with, educate them so that they can make educated choices. Trying to shelter them and keeping them ignorant about it is just setting them up to get blindsided by it later in life.
The bottom line is that it's out there, it's always existed (archaeologists have unearthed imagery from as far back as ancient Babylon that could be considered "pornographic"), and you'd have an easier time eliminating all cockroaches from the face of the planet than you would getting rid of porn (look at how successful Prohibition and the War on Drugs have been). Don't think I'm defending it; most of it is pretty derogatory and some of it is just downright insane, but I am saying that the sheer level of freakout surrounding it is even more insane, especially since we quite frankly have more important things to worry about (last I checked, there was still war, starvation, disease, homelessness, joblessness, and the Jersey Shore). In the global scheme of importance, the "issue" of pornography ranks just slightly above the risk of domesticated mongoose attacks in terms of what we should be worrying about right now.
Um, not really. It's a functional tool to stimulate arousal. Modest nude portraits and paintings are considered art, but you'll never see perverts in trench coats visiting a museum to satisfy their urges. If you can call Tranny Grannies Strike Back jejune, then we'll see.Even porn is art. It is just subjective.
You might not agree with it but it is created to invoke a feeling just like any other art form. As I say it is subject to the viewer. It could be a loving yet explicit sex scene between two people or a shock flick like two girls one cup. It is very obvious the difference between a well done and a shoddy flick just like movies, music, and paintings. If you feel moral difficulties well that's normal. Look at artwork done by Gacy or Hitler or paintings using feces. Distasteful they may be but they are still art. Porn is just a label to exclude having to include it into the mainstream.
The addition of a story really isn't necessary. Portrayal of a mood and emotion is. Though in the case of comics it would have to have some kind of story. Art follows simpler rules and galleries that showcase artwork by people that show explicit sex is a prime example. The word porn was used to label it to make it easier to censer it. There is tasteful art and distasteful art but in the end it is determined by sales whether it is porn or not etc. Caligula the movie.
Go check european comics or japanese seinen, inserting censored bars are ridiculous and stupid if it's mature readers why can't you just see that kinda stuff anywayI've wonder that myself.
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