@wishiwassuperman said:
@havenless said:
@rustyroy said:
@havenless said:
Batman: Introducing Superman will be a key component in the arguments. I think Affleck can pull it off, but I don't know if Snyder can. If that movie only does as well as MoS (still successful, but not impeding on Marvel), then there won't be much of a debate anymore. Marvel now will have 5 TV shows to compete with Arrow and Flash.
DC will also have Hourman, Constantine and a Jim Gordon centric show.
Sweet Christmas! Hourman? How is that gonna work?
Some perspective on all of these shows - Marvel's are limited run series exclusively to Netflix. Not the same concept at all as a standard ongoing TV series. 13 episode runs tying into a final series called "The Defenders" (so basically doing a TV version of Avengers over-all) and only on Netflix. Conversely CW are adding Flash and Gotham (well, still awaiting formal confirmation last I heard on Gotham) and Hourman (looks like it will definitely go ahead). NBC seems to be going for Constantine using a script from David Goyer (I'm pretty keen on this one personally). Also it's worth mentioning that CW are also looking at a Wonder Woman prequel (which would be 6 DC properties) similar to Smallville. The biggest difference is that the DC properties are looking to be ongoing series on basically regular TV, while Marvel's are all Netflix exclusives - which is fine if you're a Netflix person - and they are designed to be limited series. So while it;s good they're both getting into the game, I would still sya DC is "ahead" so to speak in this department.
However quantity isn't what really defines this for me - it's quality. And Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. so far has been terrible IMO. I know some people like it, and that's cool, but personally other than Agent Coulson and the chick who's name I don't know who was also in Stargate Universe, there is nothing good about that show. Whereas Arrow I really like and enjoy (although I'm yet to see any of the new season).
Gotham is being made by FOX.
Oh and like you said, since you (and me) prefer quality over quantity, you saying that DC is winning in the television department was kinda invalid. It doesn't matter if Marvel's Defenders properties are exclusives to Netflix as opposed to DC properties being produced as regular series - you prefer quality, right? As long as these Netflix shows are good, as good as Arrow (and the upcoming shows) or BETTER, then you can determine who's winning then. At this point, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Defenders, Gotham, Constantine and Hourman are all chit-chat at this point.
The only part I can agree with you regarding DC winning in the TV Department is that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a total disaster. The cheesiness isn't as much as Arrow, but AOS is terrible - they're trying to make the romance the major plot-point and it's so damn annoying.
That's why I put the ahead in quotation marks - it's not how I'm actually viewing it, the earlier comments made it seem that Marvel was "ahead" because they would have more shows basically. In actual fact you agree with me completely then, because yes - until any of these shows are actually on TV - we have no idea which is better, so right now all we have is Arrow compared to AoS - and at least IMO (and seemingly yours) Arrow is the superior show. Doesn't mean it's an awesome TV show or anything or my favourite (it's definitely not) but I enjoy it and am pretty hooked on it so far, while AoS would have to make significant changes to be a better quality show IMO. Although I'd probably have to hear about it later. After 5 episodes I've given up hoping it gets better and have stopped watching. Although it's all subjective and while it may not be my thing, obviously there are some people out there who enjoy it for now at least.
Also saying either one is "winning" is just fanboy, online forum chatter anyway - in this particular instance "winning" isn't really quantifiable or measurable - so to say either company is winning, we'd need to all agree on a measurable and quantifiable indicator of performance. Perhaps critical reception or popularity? Longevity of a series? At least with movies we can gauge box office and critical success to use a yard stick. TV shows is a bit more difficult. But while we're talking subjective opinion, in mine, DC has the better TV show (for now), and has the better animated formats (both film, shorts, and series) also - but again - just my opinion.
I could have sworn I heard Gotham was gonna be on CW, think I just confused it with that because it was int he same article as the Flash show - but either way - last I heard it wasn't fully confirmed still anyway and is in "development" phase or something - basically they're still looking at it - like the previous WW series it may get canned before it really gets off the ground. Hope not though as the guy who did the Mentalist is supposed to be attached and I quite like that show too.
Flash seems pretty set to go ahead though which is interesting and honestly, pretty exciting for me. I was a kid when they did the last Flash TV show and I loved it then. Hoping this one grabs my attention as an adult.
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