Hypocrisy of Heroes

Cap doesn't say never kill, Its just never his option A, he is first and foremost a soldier and will do what he has to do, And No one turns a blind eye to the Punisher, virtually every hero in Marvel that isn't psychotic are pretty much unanimous in thinking Frank is too dangerous. Daredevil, Spiderman and Cap have all tried to get him put in prison before.

These are good points.

@The Stegman: Yes, Frank has been a wanted mass murderer since the 80s

Storm. Worships the Goddess of Life and Birth. Swore an oath to never take a life. How many times has she violated this oath "for the greater good"? Sure, blame it on insanity, telepathic manipulation, Yuriko or whatever else, but don't take personal responsibility and keep on preaching!

Minecontrol and demonic possession are valid excuses for unwillingly committing horrible actions in the Marvel and DC universes.

Especially when the character is repentant for their unwilling actions.

@Jorgevy: I find it odd that this guy claims to be some what of an authority on these characters yet he's obviously completely misinformed about large portions of these character histories in some cases. Yeah the wolverine thing is spot on, same with Deadpool but the rest are way off the mark here. So I wasn't real surprised that he wasn't up on his terminology.

@MysteriousUsername said:"Minecontrol and demonic possession are valid excuses for unwillingly committing horrible actions in the Marvel and DC universes. Especially when the character is repentant for their unwilling actions."

One can only be controlled if one permits it. Saying 'the devil made me do it' is not a valid excuse. These characters failed to stop themselves from committing the act. The only permissible excuse would be body swapping, in which the character's body did something while its owner was someone else.

@satyrgod:

Just because one character can resist something doesn't mean another can.

Lots of characters possess resistances that others do not.

@satyrgod: Those are real world rules they don't really apply in comic books

If you need to kill, don't act holier than a stack of bibles when someone does it for the same reason.

Hal Jordan and the Punisher are horrible people

@dtm1980: Sorry I was very tense that day so virtually every thing I said to anyone was confrontational, it was a special combo of out of smokes and a very painful toothache

@dtm1980: Well according to everyone who knows me, whenever I get sick or have a toothache or anything like that I become a complete tool. My wife hates it.

@dtm1980: For the most part you're absolutely right... It amazes me the way some things happen in the comics, and the majority seem to miss the obvious crimes or contradictions of super heroes.

But before I list those, I do want to clarify one thing... You can't really use the adjective "genocidal" when describing Deadpool... He's never wiped out an ''ENTIRE" race... Just saying... :-)

And now, to add fuel to the fire you've started here:

• Captain America leads an invasion into another country without a formal declaration of war by congress.... Um... The U.S. is supposed to be against that sort of thing. We're a republic. We like to vote on certain issues, and the issues we don't vote on, we vote for people who will vote on those issues... We the people elected congress (sort of... ignoring the obvious 'money buying power' situations) and Congress (and congress alone) can declare war. Not even the President himself can declare war... So, to see Captain America take a SHIELD helicarrier and a huge bunch of Avengers and invade another country because they won't give up one of their citizens?!?! And I feel like I'm the only one who noticed or even batted an eye....

• Tony Stark became 'Dr. Doom Lite' and no one seemed to notice. He took away the She-Hulk's powers...only hours after having sex with her.... and he did so because she was angry... Altering the physiology of another citizen of the United States without their consent... Well, now that I think about it, we don't seem to give a rats ass about Civil Rights these days...

• But Tony didn't stop there. Nope, he gave the order to arrest Spider-Man and WHAT exactly was the charge? Oh yeah, Spider-Man moved his family out of Stark Towers.... No, I'm not making that up and I am not embellishing. Peter Parker broke no laws whatsoever... He attacked no one. He threatened no one. He simply moved out... and BAMN there's Stark with the arrest order.

• Oh, but then there's my favorite Tony 'Doom Lite' maneuver... He built a prison in the negative zone so that the prisoners would be out of the jurisdiction. He STATED THAT... Since the prisoners were not on U.S. territory, he could do whatever he wanted to them and no one could do a thing about it... How does that not sound evil to any one else?

• Ben Grimm gets possessed by an evil Asgardian something or rather and goes on an uncontrolled rampage. We don't know how man people he killed while he knocked down buildings in Manhattan... Does Captain America arrest him? Put him in prison? Give him a slap on the wrist? A courtesy warning? Anything? no... THEN, Scot Summers gets possessed by a portion of the Pheonix Force (Tony Stark's doing) and kills NO ONE. Not one single soul. In fact, Scott Summers provided free food, clean water, and energy to the world and Captain America decides Scott needs to be arrested and imprisoned. So, Cap leads a second invasion against the nation of Utopia and THIS TIME Scott kills one of the people who invaded his home... and for that Captain America (Icon of freedom and liberty) has Scott arrested and imprisoned where he ACTUALLY KNOWS Scott will never get a day in court and, in fact, Scott will be killed. Captain America KNOWS Scott will be killed... and he leaves him there.... So... Ben Grimm kills hundreds if not thousands and... he gets to become an Avenger... Scott kills one person who first attacked him and... Scott gets sentenced to death...BY CAPTAIN AMERICA.

The list goes on and on....

@joshmightbe said:

Cap doesn't say never kill, Its just never his option A, he is first and foremost a soldier and will do what he has to do, And No one turns a blind eye to the Punisher, virtually every hero in Marvel that isn't psychotic are pretty much unanimous in thinking Frank is too dangerous. Daredevil, Spiderman and Cap have all tried to get him put in prison before.

The behaviour that prompted these reactions are exactly why he's my favourite character. I don't think he's a hypocrite at all. He sees that how everybody else operates achieves nothing and he is cold enough to fix it. I think the best justification for Punishers actions are in his run in with Daredevil in the arc with Ma Gnucci. Also I'm pretty sure somewhere in his continuity he makes reference to his last ever bullet being for himself.

He gets the job done without the denial and the self praise that all the others love. As far from a hypocrite as they come I'd say.

Ya although there is definitely some hipocracy in some heroes, someone like the Punisher has never been considered a Hero. Even the heroes don't like him :) But you have to also think that the stuff we read in teh comics is common knowladge to us but do you really think Cap or Iron man read Wolverine comics so they don't exactly know everything these guys do. but when you are a super heroe or dealing with people with bad intentions and real power sometimes death happens.

@dtm1980 said:

@Timandm: Brilliant, just brilliant. This was the kind of answer I was looking for. Thanks. And I know he does mostly parodies but didn't Deadpool once wipe out the dinosaurs or something equally absurd?

Well, he wiped out the symbiotes when they invaded earth. and I do think dinosaurs were involved...But he only wiped out the symbiotes.. Not including Venom or Carnage... Those are like Norman Osborne... they'll never really die...sigh.

Oh, btw... I was thinking about this post today and I had about the same though as you regarding George Jr. going into Cap, but I was also thinking he went into Stark. if you see the movie ' W ' (which I recommend) you can really see it... but it occurred to me that, even though I hate what Tony Stark has become, he's actually not far from what many men in power are like... like it or not, what we see in Osborne and Stark are quite realistic (regarding their attitudes and how they deal with things)