Hyperion vs New 52 Superman

I'm just glad they gave Hyperion a legitimate strength feat. For awhile I remember reading his bio that he was a 90 tonner

@powerwoman: But the main matter at hand at the time is the size of the Rogue planet,not the machine. And if the machine is 100 feet tall,then that Rogue planet is definitely NOT 500 feet tall.And still,all of these measurements seem to be speculation on your part....mine too.

And if that Rogue Planet is 500 feet,it seems that the Earth is apparently 1000 feet more or less then.....which is obviously wrong.

So those measurements are just speculation.

@cameron83: That was speculation,but if you read scan,look machine and rogue planet,machine is 100 foot,the rogue planet cant 10000000000000000000000000 foot tall

I do is based on visual estimation

Where does it state that the machine is 100 foot tall? You cannot just pull these measurements out of the air based on 1 scan that an artist drew that doesn't have as much thought put into it as you are making it.

@powerwoman said:

@cameron83: I think the rogue planet isnt bigger than a city is because from machine and rogue planet size of the rough contrast,and the machine isnt too big for hulk(From the look angle）I guess maybe 60 foot tall

or maybe 100 foot tall?anyway,that absolutely cant over 1000 foot tall,because if the machine is 1000 foot tall,hulk should be much small

where do you see Hulk and the machine in the same panel? You're clearly making this up. The panel you're using is the energy signature from Manifold porting the team away. Are you serious?

@wavemotioncannon: energy signature from Manifold porting the team away on the MACHINE,yes,only hulk stay here,this is vertical view,you can see hulk in the aground and other guy on the machine(which isnt show us,but they are in the machin)

Or that mean this planet not even close to a city of size,because writer doesn't have as much thought this planet how big?

I'm going with Supes on this one.

@wavemotioncannon: There,you can see hulk push the machine into rogue planet,actually,and of course they are not SAME panel,i said they are in the machine,but there have vertical view

My guess is based on vision to see hulk and machine,look like 60 foot tall around,what it's you based?

@powerwoman: Your "guess"? How did you come to 60 feet?. Manifold transports the team and the machine into orbit, leaving Hulk on the surface in the wake of Manifolds energy signature NOT THE MACHINE. The next panel shows Hulk launching into low orbit and colliding with the machine which is so big you can't see Hulk only the impact. None of the panels on either page show The Hulk in relation to the Machine so the question is where did you get 60 feet? Looking at the wide shot on the first page it's obvious the Machine is taller than 60 feet judging by the background.

@wavemotioncannon: They are not Immediately leave the orion,there was machine

full scan

the machine was stay here,not fly,not into orbit,and team on the machine,An undefined amount of time,the hulk push the machine into orbit,and there have hulk stay in the top view of the ground,so Based on the size ratio, I think this machine probably 60 foot tall or maybe more,not sure,but

look hulk of size

@powerwoman: This shows Cap, Capt. Marvel and Iron Man inside the machine , looks like it's huge inside of it to me. The panel showing the two planets in sync after the machine is activated. It shows the machine on the right top side of the rogue planet and that's definitely bigger than your average city to be seen from space.

Agreed. Manifold leaves an energy signature when he teleports.

And when he hits the machine,he is less than a dot to it. It is WAY larger than 60 feet.

Common sense dictates that Manifold's teleportation signature wasn't at the peak of the machine since in the next scan that has Hulk,you can see that Hulk is not even a dot compared to it. Saying that that is 60 feet when the machine dwarfs him in size is just as stupid as saying that the machine is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 feet tall.

I think that this image above is much more valid of an image than that of Manifold teleporting since it gives us a clearer,better image.

Not really. It's called speculation (the numbers).

I didn't know that you had the ability to determine that,by looking at 1 scan,that the machine is 100 feet tall.

But you do make a point. We can tell that it is not 10000000000000000000000 feet tall. But saying that the Rogue planet is as big as a city or that the machine is 60 feet is just as stupid as saying that the machine is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 feet tall.

Also,can someone tell me where Hulk is in relation to the image of the full machine when it is resting on the moon?

Anywho,I am done here. Nothing new is being added or said,and I know that I am just going to get the same old response that was already said 50 times.

@cameron83:You absolutely wrong interpretation of the scan,the energy signature only take team in the machine,not take entire machine into orbit,it's hulk push the machine into orbit,not machine itself into orbit then hulk push it,and when energy signature take team into machine,the writer give us a top view,then we see hulk how big for the machine(top view perspective)so Based on the size ratio,i think it's 60 foot tall it's Is justified

I'm not "guess",or yes,i'm guess it's 60 foot tall around,but that based on the size ratio

@wavemotioncannon: I dont denied, but this is not critical, you need to know the size of this machine

Also,stop exaggerate,t Hulk is not even a dot compared to it?that not show hulk,it;s show when hulk push the machine impact force,where show us hulk and machine size ratio?you guy exaggerate it

@powerwoman: Once again you're wrong Manifold teleports the team and the machine and tony ON PANEL says they're orbital and Hulk has to hit them hard. That means they were already in space and the impact shows how much bigger the machine is than Hulk. Did you not read the scans before you concocted your theory ? Also you ignored the showing of the machine on the last page in relation to Earth and the rogue planet so that blows your BS about how how big the machine or the rogue planet was. I know you'll deny it but you know it's true.

@wavemotioncannon: Ok,i didnt see the iron man said,but the last of scan isnt show the rogue planet how big,this scan it is

But still,the machine isnt too big,if you check it before machine on the Mars

Check it

my 800TH POST

@wavemotioncannon said:

@powerwoman: Once again you're wrong Manifold teleports the team and the machine and tony ON PANEL says they're orbital and Hulk has to hit them hard. That means they were already in space and the impact shows how much bigger the machine is than Hulk. Did you not read the scans before you concocted your theory ? Also you ignored the showing of the machine on the last page in relation to Earth and the rogue planet so that blows your BS about how how big the machine or the rogue planet was. I know you'll deny it but you know it's true.

Thank you.

Just give you guy how big of the machine idea:

when machine on the planet:

Full remote：

Pay attention to the chassis:

I don't really know what that image proves and,again,I am surprised that someone here has an uncanny knack for estimating distances that would make Deathstroke jealous.

This is clearly ridiculous.

I am so done here.

Supes has some new feats in his book so maybe this discussion can be continued now

@sog7dc: Show us the new feats?

Why would new feats make any difference when Superman already has better feats, especially in combat scenarios where the feats matter most on the battle forums, to most aspects of Hyperion with the exception of physical strength. To argue against the planet scan would be too complex and in all honesty fruitless since it does seem legit but New Superman has the better striking power, combat speed, reactions and durability feats over current Hyperion. I'm not sure why people are relying on a few high end feats when New 52 Superman has a consistent repertoire of feats already even 2 years into the New 52 already.

Still Superman

i was on my hone earlier. here they are:

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3607779

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3607780

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3607788

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3607815

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3607814

true but i just wanted to add the new feats into the discussion

Superman was benching the Earth for five days straight while deprived of solar energy correct?

and in supergirl #27 didn't he survive the force of a dimensional portal similar to a black hole?

I think that puts him on a pedestal higher than Hyperion

@sog7dc: Not sure if its just me but the images wont display for all of them.

@experio:

yeah comic vine has been malfunctioning a lot lately. if you go to the superman boards and to his new52 respect thread then you can see them all on the last page of the thread.

@sog7dc: Checked them out, thanks.

cause hyperion sucks

@phisigmatau: fanboy says what?

I'm not a fanboy.
He's a super man clone.
Any clone is lame.
Being a clone is lame by definition.

On top of that their is too many avengers (Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Thor, Captain Marvel) on one team too protect earth doesn't add up. To have them consistently being active you need consistent planet level threats. It's boring and doesn't make sense. I don't understand it, I'm not a fan of it I don't condone it.

Hyperion SURVIVED THE DESTRUCTION OF TWO UNIVERSES...New 52 Superman has NOWHERE NEAR a Feat like that

Ahem...now is as good a time as any to bump this

bumping this to see if Hyperion has done anything cool recently....

The most important question is... Who's future self has the better beard?