@batgirlcc: Stomping WBHulk is a bit ridiculous
How would Batman with prep defeat the Avengers?
@batgirlcc: Stomping WBHulk is a bit ridiculous
Not if Batman has prep. If you think about it, Hulk has been taken out by gamma-absorption tech or things of that sort in the past. Batman can arguably build such technology or plunder them from Hulk's enemies and use it accordingly.
Thor is easy enough, if Fury can make. Thor unworthy with a whisper, Batman could likely get Thor to kill himself.
For WorldBreaker, Batman would Boom tube him into empty space.
For Ironman, Batman could just go toe to toe with him in fenrir. I doubt bleeding edge could tank a few mini red sun punches to the face.
For Doctor Strange, Batman could make a psycho-paralytic chewing gum to spit in his eye.
He could use the same bubble gum stuff he used on Aquaman for Cap.
For Vision he could boom Tube him into the sun.
He could seduce SW.
Literally use the exact same method he actually used against Flash.
Batman wins.
Anything short of silly JL Batman type feats, he has no answer for Hulk or Thor. They don't really have any weakness to exploit.
@granitesoldier: I just gave answers to how Batman could deal with them. Based on how Batman is written, they're completely logical ways he could defeat them.
He could just put on the Hell-Bat and program the Justice Buster to fight alongside him without anyone inside it.
Problem Solved.
Thor - He'd use the Hellbat armour. Thor would have to flee to Asgard in order to survive. After being banned from there, and getting unworthy, Thor would return to Earth in order to regain his honour, and that's the part where Batman stomps him so hard, that the Asgard would shatter.
World Breaker Hulk - Why WBH? Hellbat armour. Or he would use that thing he used on WW with the Justice Buster. Batman would trap him in an illusion, where Hulk rips him apart.
Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man - Hellbat armour or the Justice Buster in a pure H2H confrontation.
Doctor Strange - Batman had never defeated DrFate. It's basicly impossible for anyone to beat a magic user. Unless, Strange would act like a total p*ssy like he did in the WBH storyline. Then Batman would just come and use his fist + smoke granades to beat him.
Captain America - That's not even funny.
Vision - Like he beats Cyborg. Using his...um, thing...from the Justice Buster that disables every robotic part of a body/machine/whatever.
Scarlet Witch - Batman vs a ridiculously powerful matter manipulator...i don't really see Batman winning...unless, he would prep himself by acuiring the Chew Force for ever.
Quicksilver -Quicksilver doesn't even have the 10th part of speed Flash has. Justice Buster would do just fine.
So, yeah, that's pretty much my options.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
Nope.
@granitesoldier: I just gave answers to how Batman could deal with them. Based on how Batman is written, they're completely logical ways he could defeat them.
Boom tubes qualify as the "JL" Batman non-sense that only ever happens in JL comics. I'm a huge Batman fan, but his JL stuff is PIS 90% of the time (dodging Omega Beams?). And that's assuming this all takes place in the DC universe, and not Marvel. Hulk has been drained, but only by cosmic level beings or when he's allowed it to happen to my memory. So considering that's something Bruce doesn't commonly have, I don't see Boom Tubes being "viable" more often than not.
Fury also knew something specific about Thor's past, he didn't just whisper something random. Again assuming Bruce could gain familiarity, but Fury has far more contacts in the Marvel world than Bruce does. There's the "Boom Tube" theory again, but like I said I'm a Batfan and think most of the JL stuff he does in non-sense.
But, yes, there will be something silly and he'll counter them (like he did Wonder Woman) but they won't really be "beaten". He beat Superman more than he did Wonder Woman in Endgame.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
Nope.
The writer is the only one who has a say in the matter.
Boom tubes qualify as the "JL" Batman non-sense that only ever happens in JL comics. I'm a huge Batman fan, but his JL stuff is PIS 90% of the time (dodging Omega Beams?). And that's assuming this all takes place in the DC universe, and not Marvel. Hulk has been drained, but only by cosmic level beings or when he's allowed it to happen to my memory. So considering that's something Bruce doesn't commonly have, I don't see Boom Tubes being "viable" more often than not.
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It has been some time since I've regularly read Hulk but the last time I recall him being drained was when Armageddon tried to do so with a machine. He planned to bring his son Trauma back to life with the energy. Hulk put out so much power that it blew up the machines and if my memory serves destroyed Trauma's corpse. At any rate Trauma stayed dead and Hulk stayed Hulk.
We should probably ask Acid Skull or somebody when the last time Hulk got successfully drained by a foe. I'll bet it's been some time.
As for this thread, Thor or Hulk drop Batman. If Batman comes without his Starktech, the list of people who could take him opens up dramatically.
I agree it's ridiculous. But that's how Batman is written. Everything i said is so,etching Batman is capable of.
Fury has more contacts, yeah, Fury needs more contacts. Bruce would find out things on his own.
Also, batman is written this way consistently so I don't think it can be called PIS.
Boom tubes qualify as the "JL" Batman non-sense that only ever happens in JL comics. I'm a huge Batman fan, but his JL stuff is PIS 90% of the time (dodging Omega Beams?). And that's assuming this all takes place in the DC universe, and not Marvel. Hulk has been drained, but only by cosmic level beings or when he's allowed it to happen to my memory. So considering that's something Bruce doesn't commonly have, I don't see Boom Tubes being "viable" more often than not.
Stuff
It has been some time since I've regularly read Hulk but the last time I recall him being drained was when Armageddon tried to do so with a machine. He planned to bring his son Trauma back to life with the energy. Hulk put out so much power that it blew up the machines and if my memory serves destroyed Trauma's corpse. At any rate Trauma stayed dead and Hulk stayed Hulk.
We should probably ask Acid Skull or somebody when the last time Hulk got successfully drained by a foe. I'll bet it's been some time.
As for this thread, Thor or Hulk drop Batman. If Batman comes without his Starktech, the list of people who could take him opens up dramatically.
Well Batman can counter Thor/Hulk not just by draining them. He can create illusions for them to fight within their own minds, thus incapacitating them at his mercy.
Without PIS there is no chance. With PIS there is a slight chance but I honestly can't see him ever taking down Hulk or Thor.
Without PIS there is no chance. With PIS there is a slight chance but I honestly can't see him ever taking down Hulk or Thor.
Just because you can't imagine him taking down Hulk/Thor doesn't mean he can't take down Hulk/Thor. This is argument by incredulity.
And PIS refers to inconsistent feats. Batman taking out characters above his weight class isn't inconsistent.
Without PIS there is no chance. With PIS there is a slight chance but I honestly can't see him ever taking down Hulk or Thor.
Just because you can't imagine him taking down Hulk/Thor doesn't mean he can't take down Hulk/Thor. This is argument by incredulity.
And PIS refers to inconsistent feats. Batman taking out characters above his weight class isn't inconsistent.
Exactly, Batgirl.
I agree it's ridiculous. But that's how Batman is written. Everything i said is so,etching Batman is capable of.
Fury has more contacts, yeah, Fury needs more contacts. Bruce would find out things on his own.
Also, batman is written this way consistently so I don't think it can be called PIS.
Considering most of the JL-level feats are inconsistent with with his feats in Batman and Detective Comics and his struggles I'd say that there are some inconsistencies in the writing, yes.
Like I said, his best bet is something similar that he pulled on Wonder Woman, but considering Hulk's nearly unpredictable mental state (his mind is ridiculously difficult to effect, as stated by Professor X) we don't even know if that would work.
Well Batman can counter Thor/Hulk not just by draining them. He can create illusions for them to fight within their own minds, thus incapacitating them at his mercy.
Illusions that leave them swinging at shadows do not count as incapacitating them for a win. Otherwise Mysterio would be the grand champ of the vine. I'm doubtful that Hulk is going down when guys like Prof X can't do it, and Thor still has more instances of shaking off mental effects then succumbing.
As for at Bruces mercy, what exactly is he going to do? Punch them out?
Thor and Hulk both can one shot Batman. Batman needs to scramble and pray a hail mary plan comes together. Can you guess which one logically should happen a majority of the time?
Am I the only one who thinks Bruce can beat Thor with the Hell Bat? Last time I checked, Darkseid was shrugging off Green Lantern constructs without even flinching.. Bruce did hurt Darkseid (at least it looked like he did ) with his punches and tanked good punishment from him. I don't see how he can't hang around with Thor.
Well Batman can counter Thor/Hulk not just by draining them. He can create illusions for them to fight within their own minds, thus incapacitating them at his mercy.
Illusions that leave them swinging at shadows do not count as incapacitating them for a win. Otherwise Mysterio would be the grand champ of the vine. I'm doubtful that Hulk is going down when guys like Prof X can't do it, and Thor still has more instances of shaking off mental effects then succumbing.
As for at Bruces mercy, what exactly is he going to do? Punch them out?
Thor and Hulk both can one shot Batman. Batman needs to scramble and pray a hail mary plan comes together. Can you guess which one logically should happen a majority of the time?
Not if he wears his Hell Bat suit.. He tanked a friggin head stomp from Darkseid, I doubt any of them can one shot him. None of them hit anywhere as hard as Darkseid.
That is his best bet. And even then Iron Man Batman seemed to inconvenience Darkseid, not any more. Batman may hurt Thor or Hulk, but I still stand he doesn't win..
How are they at all inconsistent? Batman does things like this on a regular basis and has for almost a decade now.
If you don't like the boom tube option, which Batman could and would totally use, then he could use the Aquaman bubble gum on him as well.
Not if he wears his Hell Bat suit.. He tanked a friggin head stomp from Darkseid, I doubt any of them can one shot him. None of them hit anywhere as hard as Darkseid.
That is his best bet. And even then Iron Man Batman seemed to inconvenience Darkseid, not any more. Batman may hurt Thor or Hulk, but I still stand he doesn't win..
How hard does Thor hit compared to Darkseid?
The average Justice Leaguer can take out Thor (Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Flash)
It took damn near everyone in the Justice League to take care of Darkseid. If Bruce was able to hang around alone, the Hell Bat should at least be on the level of the Average JLA member.
We know that it can hurt Thor, (It hurt Darkseid with it's punches regardless of the fact that even New 52 Hal wasn't able to do it and so you know N52 Hal is strong enough to hurt Superman)
It's also durable enough to tank hits from Thor ( It took a great deal of punishment from Darkseid, that head stomp floored the justice league But Hell bat tanked it).
I just don't see what makes Thor superior to it. He isn't any stronger than Superman minus the speed. I just don't see how everyone thinks Thor takes him.
@sog7dc: The Aquaman gum effected Aquaman because it leached the moisture from Arthur, weakening him. Not going to work on Thor or Hulk. And even if you want to say something about modifying it for gamma Hulk has resisted draining far more often than its worked.
Boom tubes have always been a JL-Bat option that even then I can count on one hand the amount of times I remember him using it. He could just boom tube Joker back to Arkham every time they meet but he doesn't. The more consistent Batfeats always are in his solo titles where he isn't being written to keep pace with Superman. And yes I consider the Justice Buster consistent because in the end against a weakened JL it still overall failed against Superman despite seeking to exploit a definite weakness in Superman. The gum was more effective than the suit against Clark, and only because he stopped to give the little Joker gloat.
So JL vs Batman and Detective Comics? I find the latter two more consistent with Bruce's true capabilities. I will admit, like the Justice Buster, Hellbat is a definite option. It's effectiveness is up for debate though, but it should fair better at least than it did against Darkseid.
@batgirlcc: I do agree Batman could potentially beat WBHulk but i'm just saying it would in no way be a stomp
I agree it's ridiculous. But that's how Batman is written. Everything i said is so,etching Batman is capable of.
Fury has more contacts, yeah, Fury needs more contacts. Bruce would find out things on his own.
Also, batman is written this way consistently so I don't think it can be called PIS.
Considering most of the JL-level feats are inconsistent with with his feats in Batman and Detective Comics and his struggles I'd say that there are some inconsistencies in the writing, yes.
Like I said, his best bet is something similar that he pulled on Wonder Woman, but considering Hulk's nearly unpredictable mental state (his mind is ridiculously difficult to effect, as stated by Professor X) we don't even know if that would work.
Struggles because he doesn't use his JL level stuff perhaps? JL Batman is a Batman up against bigger threats and thus has to use greater tech. I see Bruce as someone who would prefer to not use armor suits but does when he has to like against Jokerized JL or Darkseid. He literally has to use something like the Hellbat or Justice Buster to even survive fights with characters on that level. The same can't be said for characters like Joker or Riddler. Plus he used the Justice Buster in Batman not Justice League so it's not like he never uses tech like that in his solo stories. And how can it be inconsistent if people complain he does it too much? People say he's OP and turning into Iron Man meaning he has done these things consistently enough for people to notice making them consistent, valid feats. I get you prefer a more street level Batman but that doesn't mean feats he has against a non street level character is PIS.
Thor and. Hulk both have blood, therefore they have moisture to be leached.
Doesn't matter that you can count them in one hand. This is Bruce specifically prepping for one goal--to defeat the Avengers. Batman rarely has prep when dealing with Joker and, aside from that, Joker is unpredictable. He's the personification of chaos. You can't compare prepping for Joker, who is by design impossible to prepare for, to prepping for the Avengers, a team with members who heave very distinct Modus operandi.
Well in. Batman he's had the court of Owls, an organization he couldn't prep for because he thought they were a myth, the Joker, who we know is unpredictable, ZY where he went up against a Riddler with extensive prep and now Endgame which is unfinished. Based on Batman series Bruce beats things he doesn't even believe exist until he meets them lol and I've only been reading Detective Comics since. Buccaletto and Manapul have been on and they have grounded him considerably, I'll give you that. So with that we have two books where Batman is depicted as the ultimate hero and one where he's still an awesome street leveler.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
Nope.
The writer is the only one who has a say in the matter.
Show me feats of him building a suit anywhere near the specifications of what you previously said.
Otherwise......Nope.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
Nope.
The writer is the only one who has a say in the matter.
Show me feats of him building a suit anywhere near the specifications of what you previously said.
Otherwise......Nope.
Well the underlined part I'm not going to do for a few reason:
1) I'm not going to dig through my stack of Comics or endlessly search Google for something that probably doesn't exist.
2) You're not going to find that Batman has ever had to build a suit with these specification because he has and will never have to fight: Thor, World Breaker Hulk, Bleeding Edge Iron-man, Captain America, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.
3) Batman ever building a suit like that would be pretty much OP for a story where he fights street level villains.
Again unless you're the writer you have 0 say in it.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
Nope.
The writer is the only one who has a say in the matter.
Show me feats of him building a suit anywhere near the specifications of what you previously said.
Otherwise......Nope.
Well the underlined part I'm not going to do for a few reason:
1) I'm not going to dig through my stack of Comics or endlessly search Google for something that probably doesn't exist.
2) You're not going to find that Batman has ever had to build a suit with these specification because he has and will never have to fight: Thor, World Breaker Hulk, Bleeding Edge Iron-man, Captain America, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.
3) Batman ever building a suit like that would be pretty much OP for a story where he fights street level villains.
Again unless you're the writer you have 0 say in it.
By that logic, what you have said before in this debate is complete and utter speculation and that if he ever did come up across the avengers he would get laughed at.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
Nope.
The writer is the only one who has a say in the matter.
Show me feats of him building a suit anywhere near the specifications of what you previously said.
Otherwise......Nope.
Well the underlined part I'm not going to do for a few reason:
1) I'm not going to dig through my stack of Comics or endlessly search Google for something that probably doesn't exist.
2) You're not going to find that Batman has ever had to build a suit with these specification because he has and will never have to fight: Thor, World Breaker Hulk, Bleeding Edge Iron-man, Captain America, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.
3) Batman ever building a suit like that would be pretty much OP for a story where he fights street level villains.
Again unless you're the writer you have 0 say in it.
By that logic, what you have said before in this debate is complete and utter speculation and that if he ever did come up across the avengers he would get laughed at.
Don't talk logic especially when you're dealing with factitious characters it pretty much ruins the whole argument.
Real world Properties =/= Fictional world properties.
Complete speculation? If that's what you wanna call it.
The underlined part is the most interesting for a few reason:
First thing is they would never see Batman they're in two completely different universe, just like If I'm in the Japan I would never run into someone who is currently in America.
Secondly, if the two universes were to cross because hell froze over, If anything they would ask Batman to join the Avengers and would likely think he would a great asset to the team due to him being so strategically, detective and just overall ridiculously combat smart, and he has great leadership skills and can come up with very effective plans in a matter of seconds.
So, no, don't think so, I don't think the Avengers are going to be laughing at another hero very versatile hero like Batman.
Resorts to the oldest known fall-back argument in the known universe.
*Resorts to accusing me of using*
"the oldest known fall-back argument in the known universe."
Am I the only one who thinks Bruce can beat Thor with the Hell Bat? Last time I checked, Darkseid was shrugging off Green Lantern constructs without even flinching.. Bruce did hurt Darkseid (at least it looked like he did ) with his punches and tanked good punishment from him. I don't see how he can't hang around with Thor.
Thor currently has an axe that can cut through celestial armor.
How hard does Thor hit compared to Darkseid?
The average Justice Leaguer can take out Thor (Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Flash)
It took damn near everyone in the Justice League to take care of Darkseid. If Bruce was able to hang around alone, the Hell Bat should at least be on the level of the Average JLA member.
We know that it can hurt Thor, (It hurt Darkseid with it's punches regardless of the fact that even New 52 Hal wasn't able to do it and so you know N52 Hal is strong enough to hurt Superman)
It's also durable enough to tank hits from Thor ( It took a great deal of punishment from Darkseid, that head stomp floored the justice league But Hell bat tanked it).
I just don't see what makes Thor superior to it. He isn't any stronger than Superman minus the speed. I just don't see how everyone thinks Thor takes him.
It's unknown for sure, but Thor has put a hole in a Celestial with a hammer blow. So it's pretty hard.
I'm doubtful Barry could take out Thor short of Speed Force dump. The rest I'm iffy on if they can take a majority, particularly Hal. Everybody acts like Thor is super slow. He isn't as fast as the DC heroes but he'll land hits. And as he hits harder he wouldn't need to land as many anyhow. He can also fall back on his energy projection and versatility if he has to.
Keep in mind when the JL fought him, they were rookies and on the whole weaker and less skilled. Thor could probably have put up as good a fight as they did, give or take. I'm very interested in seeing how the "modern" JL does with him.
I think the Hellbat armor can hurt Thor. I don't think it can hurt him bad enough to put him down. If Thor is not holding back he'll likely do what he did to Stark, with a somewhat better fight taking place beforehand.
Sure, the Hellbat won't be one shotted unless Thor Godblasted or pulled out some long unused OP power. If Thor hit it at his hardest, he'll break it. He broke a hole in celestial armor. So unless you are saying Batman>Celestial, Thor can do it.
Thor has better striking feats with Mjolnir then Superman. He also has quite a few super high end energy attacks (like the Godblast) that should end HellBat in short order.
@sog7dc: Leaching their bodies is totally different due to differing physiology in one hand and in the other their strength isn't linked to their moisture. If it was the case the Aquaman countermeasure would've effected everyone in the JL wouldn't it? And there'd be no need for any other countermeasure.
Using Joker as "unpredictable" is an excuse when he can, by all accounts "boom tube him away" specifically to Arkham. If you can't prep for predictability, you over compensate and over power. But he doesn't do that? Why? Plot. Either Bruce struggling with his normal rogues is PIS or him contending with Darkseid is PIS. I'm as big a Batfan as anyone on this site but I'm a realistic one, and it can't work both ways. One of them is plot armor. I also don't recall bringing up the CoO since they were a secret society by design. Look at it like this: the Illuminati, a group of some of Marvel's greatest minds, have failed to be rid of Hulk when they tried. Their best attempt was when they sent Hulk to space, and that didn't pay off too well for them.
@sog7dc: Leaching their bodies is totally different due to differing physiology in one hand and in the other their strength isn't linked to their moisture. If it was the case the Aquaman countermeasure would've effected everyone in the JL wouldn't it? And there'd be no need for any other countermeasure.
Using Joker as "unpredictable" is an excuse when he can, by all accounts "boom tube him away" specifically to Arkham. If you can't prep for predictability, you over compensate and over power. But he doesn't do that? Why? Plot. Either Bruce struggling with his normal rogues is PIS or him contending with Darkseid is PIS. I'm as big a Batfan as anyone on this site but I'm a realistic one, and it can't work both ways. One of them is plot armor. I also don't recall bringing up the CoO since they were a secret society by design. Look at it like this: the Illuminati, a group of some of Marvel's greatest minds, have failed to be rid of Hulk when they tried. Their best attempt was when they sent Hulk to space, and that didn't pay off too well for them.
Again he only struggles with them because he holds back on the tech he uses, and you realize his comics would be really boring if he just instantly boom tubed every villain away, right? It's the same reason Flash and Superman don't just instantly blitz all of their villains, comics would be boring if all fights lasted 1 panel. Tony Stark would struggle with Bruce's villains if he couldn't use his armor. If Stark had Batman's villains and had to fight them without armor and struggled on a regular basis for a year then got the armor back for 1 night and easily beat them would that be PIS? If Bruce used the Hellbat in Gotham he'd be unstoppable and no one would want to read his stories. That's not PIS no one ever says Iron Man fighting Hulk or Thor is PIS since he regularly fights people like the Mandarin and Crimson Dynamo.
If Batman snapped, and broke Jokers neck that wouldn't be consistent with the way he normally acts so would that be PIS since he doesn't break people's necks on a regular basis? Of course not, he's easily physically capable of snapping someone's neck and killing people but because of morals he doesn't do it. Same thing in regards to the more advanced tech he uses against the likes of the JL and Darkseid and the lesser tech he uses for his own villains. A character's morals keeping them from doing something on a regular basis or at all doesn't mean them finally doing that action is PIS.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
He can't build anything better then WBHulk.
I would believe Batman could come up with a strategy to take out WB Hulk. Given that gamma radiation feeds Hulk, Batman could arguably research on gamma radiation and build a machine that suck away Hulk's radiation and leaving him at normal levels.
Even without prep Batman could outwit Hulk with some luck and some items nearby - Either incapacitating him or BFR him via momentum. With prep Batman would stomp World Breaker Hulk.
WBHulk is just as smart as Bruce...so no. If you thought he was just some idiot then you better go actually read the comic. WBHulk will just clap and the entire continent will be destroyed. Batman with it.
You people just dont understand what "prep" means. With "prep" means: "can you find a weakness a character has that can be exploited?"
So, yeah, I reckon Batman can beat the Avengers with "prep" since they've all been beaten before. Watch me use Batman prep:
Concoct a anti-serum for Captain America and punch him in the face. That's happened before, right? Yeah? So Batman will uncover it.
Thor? He would find out that Thor wouldnt resist a challenge if presented with one. Then he would tell Thor that he is a better warrior than him and that if Thor doesn't believe it he should give up his powers and fight him in a H2H. Wouldn't bet against Batman in a fight vs. a human (Who Thor is now).
Iron Man? How many times has Batman shutdown Cyborg in the N52 even though Cyborg is supposed to be impervious to hacks?
Vision? See Iron Man.
Quicksilver? Batman built a machine that almost tagged The Flash...Quicksilver is easy pickings
The magic users are where it gets truly tricky and PIS-laden. I don't read a lot of Marvel, but isn't SW unstable mentally? I don't know anything about Strange, nor do i care to learn.
See? Prep means any weakness that has ever been displayed will be used by Batman.
Oh, and Hulk? Just tranquilze him with some Bat-tranquilizer. The guy is a master of potions (can't be poisoned), I'm sure he's come up with some heavy mixtures.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
He can't build anything better then WBHulk.
I would believe Batman could come up with a strategy to take out WB Hulk. Given that gamma radiation feeds Hulk, Batman could arguably research on gamma radiation and build a machine that suck away Hulk's radiation and leaving him at normal levels.
Even without prep Batman could outwit Hulk with some luck and some items nearby - Either incapacitating him or BFR him via momentum. With prep Batman would stomp World Breaker Hulk.
WBHulk is just as smart as Bruce...so no. If you thought he was just some idiot then you better go actually read the comic. WBHulk will just clap and the entire continent will be destroyed. Batman with it.
. . . . In your opinion.
- Thor: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- World Breaker Hulk: Superman/Wonder Woman counterpart
- Bleeding Edge Iron Man / Thorbuster Iron Man: Batman/Cyborg counterpart
- Doctor Strange: Doctor Fate counterpart
- Captain America: Batman counterpart
- Vision: Cyborg counterpart
- Scarlet Witch: Zatanna counterpart
- Quicksilver: Flash counterpart
This is actually quite simple. I can imagine he would just build a suit to counter all their abilities.
His suit would be impervious to all types of magic and have higher raw durability and than strength than Thor.
His suit would also have higher durability and strength than World Breaker Hulk.
He could have something built in to completely deactivate all of Iron Man's tech during battle.
Same thing as Thor he is impervious to magic so Doctor Strange can't do anything to him.
Captain America would literally get mopped up in 2 second by Batman and this suit.
His suit would be easily superior to Vision in every way.
Same thing as Doctor Strange and Thor. Magic doesn't work on the suit so Scarlet she get beat easily.
Batman suit is to durable for Quicksilver to do anything to it, and Batman will eventually land some kind of hit on Quicksilver and win from that hit.
He can't build anything better then WBHulk.
I would believe Batman could come up with a strategy to take out WB Hulk. Given that gamma radiation feeds Hulk, Batman could arguably research on gamma radiation and build a machine that suck away Hulk's radiation and leaving him at normal levels.
Even without prep Batman could outwit Hulk with some luck and some items nearby - Either incapacitating him or BFR him via momentum. With prep Batman would stomp World Breaker Hulk.
WBHulk can kill him with just a gamma wave and he's just as smart as Banner so no. Savage Hulk can Thunderclap Batman to death.
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