The question of how fast DBZ guys really is a matter for huge debate, and since most people i find on Comicvine tends to underrate DBZ characters(this was something i had to do).Now there is no stats that we can read like in Marvel and DC but still there are ways to tell using certain methods,first i quote: Goku after his training with King Kai traveled for 27-28 hours (Edit: It was less then 2 days, probably 27 or 28h) from one end of Snake way to the other. Snake way was 1 000 000 km long which means, Goku at PL 5000 can fly around mach 30.[Just as a side point to estimate how fast Vegeta "might" be-if Goku with a 5000 PL can fly at Mach 30 I will say Vegeta with a PL 18,000 in the Saiyan saga might be Mach 66=50,237 Mph.if we fast forward to the Frieza saga when Vegeta is fighting Freiza on Namak his PL was 500,000 tops.500,000- is roughly 28 X 18,000, so 50,000 X 28=1,400,000 Mph now lets add his SSJ multipliers:SSJ1=70,000,000 Mph\ SSJ2=3,500,000,000.So I guess roughly that Vegeta can travel over 3 Billion Mph;the speed of light is 670 million Mph; so Vegeta can easily exceed the speed of light.]

After that he powered up from 5000 to over 8000, and used KKx3, therefore he should be faster then mach 68 (30+30x3=120)

after his training under 100G he was obviously much faster in his base form then he was while using KKx3 during saiyan saga, so he should be faster then mach 120 without KK, and with KKx20 he should be **more then 2520 x faster then sound, much more.** "(68+68x20=1428).................................For example Buu is in same speed category as SSJ3, and he destroyed several hundreds of planets in few years, and most likely he was aiming only for a life containing planets.

Planets are revolving around stars, usually no more then 10 planets around one star, and stars are light years distant from each other (closest star to our sun is 4.3 light years away)

So he would have to go FTL to achieve this feat.

This feat would be in any other comic excepted as light speed, or very close to light speed. He circled earth 5 times in only one panel, and in 99.9% times 1 panel represents 1 moment, 1 second, or possibly few second.

(Light circles earths equator 7.48 times in one second, Gotenks did 5 circles, but much bigger then equator). Gotenks was only full powered SSJ here.

Some of you like to say that he was flying for 29 minutes, because he separated when he came to Buu. But even this was explained on the next page where he said how he took a nap while he was waiting for Piccolo.

Second argument is that it took him almost 1 minute to get to Buu, but Piccolo said that 1 minute just approximately, since he didn’t have a watch. Besides it is not like he must fly at his full speed all the time.

but my main argument is that Radditz the the weekes of all DBZ villain was able to move faster then a bullet-and was able to catch it, now rifle bullet's can travel any where between 850-3,300 MPH and up to 4,000 fps(feet per second) Goku and Vegeta doing the time of the cell sega had to be at least 1,000 x faster then Radditz which means 3,300 x 1,000=3,300,000(3 million 3 hundred thousand) and by the buu sega SSJ3 Goku had to be 1,000,000 x faster then Raditz. so 3,300 x 1,000,000=3,300,000,000, the speed of light is 186,000 MPS or 671,000,000 MPH (so assuming he's 1 million x faster then Radditz) he can travel over 3 billion MPH even if he's just 100,000 times faster then he can move at 330,000,000 million MPH so either way he's pretty freaking fast.(Raditz had a power level of 1200 and he was achieving these feats). Also Vegeta could have destroyed the Earth with his Galick Gun the first time he appeared. He stated that this was his intent. He had a power level of 18,000. Super Saiyan 3 Goku had to hold his power back to simply keep from destroying Earth. Cell stated his final Kamehameha could easily destroy their entire solar system. By the end of DBZ, everyone, and most of all Goku, could have easily destroyed any planet, if not entire solar systems and galaxy's without much effort what so ever.so even if Goku can't travel the the speed of light he's pretty close + he can IT which is in essence=lightspeed and i quote from HAXJAX "If someone says Goku isnt 10x faster by the time he got to namek, I would like to point out that he could easily do 10x Kaioken when he got to namek. So if goku could turn ssj3 when he got to namek he would be 50x50x50 = 125000x faster then light. You can just Imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting frezia or even cell".One more "good" fact to mention is in Dragon Ball Z the "beams" they use travels at\or neer the speed of light, for Goku,Vegeta and Gohan to reflect these beams it can only mean they can react at the speed of light.And even if you debate that they (beams\ki) don't travel that fast my proof is this: (mind you in the very early sega of DBZ even before the arrival of Vegeta and Nappa) Piccolo shot an energy beam at the moon- 1 second later-it destroy the moon, which means= light-speed. Master Roshi have also accomplish this feet.Even when Goku was a kid he was dodging lighting which travels at 1,500,000 MPH if he can achieve this feet as a kid just imagine as a SSJ3?!!? now lets see super saiyan is 50 times stronger then a persons(Saiyan base form) base form, it's debatable but a SSJ2 is like 100 X base form . notice the list below:

__Great Ape__ = *base X 10*

__False Super Saiyan__ = *base X 21*

__Super Saiyan__ = *base X 50*

__Ascended Saiyan__ = *base X 60*

__Ultra Super Saiyan__ = *base X 62*

__Super Saiyan 2__ = = *base X 100*

__Super Saiyan 3__ = = *base X 400*

__Golden Great Ape__ = *base X 500*

*now if these numbers are somewhat correct .Goku as a SSJ3 would be 400 X stronger then base from Goku.........so lets do the math..going back to Kid Goku dodging lighting:1,500,000 X 400=600,000,000 MPH! remember the speed of light travels at 671,000,000 MPH(671 million MPH) so he's almost there! eveen if you don't belive he''s 400 X faster even if hes' only 200 X faster he would still move at 300,000,000 MPH...so either way he's still close...........i hope more people will see the true speed of the Dragon Ball Z Universe! My next blog will deal with powerlevles and strength...Notice beloew...*

*"*So most DBZ fans are upset(including me) about the speed Goku was given in the Death Battle(WHICH WAS VERY WRONG) between him and Superman. We're upset that the Snake Way calculation was used when GT Goku has to be so much faster than that + Toriyama himself said that Snake Way is not drawn to scale nor is it accurately replicated to judge Goku's Speed;There are also far better ways to judge Goku's Speed. Wiz and Boomstick used a multiplier to take his training and increases into account-though this was flawed I'm multiplying any feat Goku has accomplished by 1,000,000,000 to account for his power level increase throughout the series. And then adding Super Saiyan multipliers onto that. So here we go...

Goku crossed the curvy Snake Way by flying in a straight line directly over it. Wiz and Boomstick astonished me with their calculation of how far he actually went, taking into account the curves that would take Snake Way's length down substantially. And since they calculated it to actually be 190,761 miles long, I'm going to use his speed of 6,800 mph to get across it in 28 hours.

Now, let's multiply that by a billion for power level increase and then add the Super Saiyan multipliers. Goku's speed is actually...

6,800,000,000,000 mph (6.8 trillion mph) at base(That's using Snake Way calculations)

6.8 trillion x 50 x 2 x 4 x 10 = 2,720,000,000,000,000 (2.72 quadrillion mph) in Super Saiyan 4

That translates to 4,055,968 (so Goku is 4 Million times faster then the speed of light..in base!)times faster than the speed of light. Obviously much faster with the 1 billion times increase we're giving to him before his Super Saiyan multipliers".

Here's more evidence(presented by BlueComet): He say's "The easiest way to tell Goku's speed is by looking at his Namek speed feat.

He flew half way around Namek in a second. Since Namek is the same size as the earth(24,859.82 miles around) that means he flew at about 44,747,676 mph in base form.

Base: 44,747,676 mph

SSJ: 2,237,383,800 mph

SSJ2: 4,474,767,600 mph

SSJ3: 17,899,070,400 mph

SSJ4: 178,990,704,000 mph

Each of his super saiyan forms are well over lightspeed. SSJ is 3.3x lightspeed, SSJ2 is 6.6x lightspeed, SSJ3 is 26.4x lightspeed, and SSJ4 is 264x lightspeed. If what **ArticulateT** said is true that means Goku(in his highest ssj form) is just barely faster than Superman." __It__ __isn't hard to realize that Goku is massively FTL, but with all the dbz haters who try and underrate the the show and all the fanboys who completely blow feats out of proportion,__ it's hard to tell how powerful Goku actually is. I think I did a pretty good job here though".Yes you did..so there you have all the proof you need to show Goku is easily faster then the speed of light..What more is needed? you ask for facts and now you have them!.I rest my case-once and for all.

*Also Notice:*

Goku catching a Dragonball(which should move at least the Speed of light)

Goku out running a Solar Flare

Goku becoming Faster than Lighting

Goku training for 3 years with Kami and all the other specifically unquantifiable training speed increases

DeathBattle said Goku was 2.5billion km/hr AT SS4 ...

THEY ARE WRONG.

GOKU SHOULD BE MINIMALLY 183 billion km/hr(that is around 113,710,928,179 Billion Mph) much much much faster then Light) in SS4 because he can cross Earth's diameter in one second in the Freiza Saga.Yet this is never mention in the DeathBattle.

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