@imthedamnbatman said:
@lvenger: I don't understand how anyone could argue with that if he appeared to us today. If they did, it would be out of sheer stubborness.
Also, some proposed science is just as ridiculous sounding as any God is. A single point contained everything in the Universe then exploded? What created that point? And then what created the thing that created the point? You end up encountering an endless cycle of things creating other things. In the end, there has to be something that always existed and was never created.
Are you serious? Of course people would doubt God's existence if he just appeared today. All appearances of God and divine entities have been mostly proved to be down to hallucinations, mental illness, credulous eye witnesses and other stronger reasons. Furthermore, if God did just appear, this would nullify the greatest reason for believing in God, faith. Faith is what Christians cling onto meaninglessly above all other things and this stubbornly puts their belief in God beyond critique according to them. In a more scientific and secular society, I fail to see how God's appearance wouldn't be critiqued and that it would be the stubbornness of believers that would be at fault, not the secularists/atheists.
Really? You're really going to try and downplay the Big Bang, something I bet you lack significant scientific knowledge or a deep understanding of relating to the origin of the universe. It's utterly fallacious to try and claim "But something must have created the Big Bang because nothing cannot create something." For several reasons. First, the Infinite Regress may be a possible avenue given several philosophical thought experiments like Hilbert's Paradox of the Grand Hotel. Secondly, we have no means of seeing into what came before the Big Bang and the explanation could be explained in terms we understand but we lack the current knowledge or understanding to reach that conclusion. Thirdly, quantum physicists have theorised that the laws of quantum mechanics may provide an avenue into how something was created from nothing. Next, there has never been any shred of empirical, materialistic or reasonable proof that God exists in the observable universe. I haven't heard of anything which proves this point incorrect.
Lastly, so this doesn't derail this thread too much and I won't pursue this conversation even if you do reply to this comment, even if something did create the universe, why does it have to be God? Why can't it be Vishnu, Odin, The Great Ju-Ju in the Sky or a cosmic rabbit that created the universe? Simple; the likelihood of a transcendent, omnipotent, omniscient etc etc being existing is less likely than such an entity being the result of human evolutionary by products and our limited understanding of the world in humanity's earliest years.
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