#1 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is in my top ten so don't think this is a hate thread. But after reading a thread on here asking if Superman or Lex Luthor would be better for humanity some questions dawned on me. It's been said that Lex has the capacity to change humanity for the better but he is too egotistical and selfish.

Bruce Wayne is constantly labeled as the most intelligent in the DC Universe. And I know this won't happen because they want to sell comics and people want Batman to keep on being Batman. This is just for the sake of conversation. So with that said, in my opinion, I think it would be best if he...

  • Focused on Wayne Corporation.

    • If Bruce put 100% focus on Wayne Corps. the possibilities could be endless with a man of his intelligence,wealth, and ambition running the show.
    • Top dollar could be paid to the brightest scientist along with Bruce himself to invent cures for all the worlds worst diseases.
    • He could use his influence to create charities and donations to feed all third world countries and families here in our home country who cannot afford to eat on a daily basis. Or pull the money out of his own pocket.
    • Bruce could also invent other gadgets instead of combat tools that would help out with humanity (Idk something crazy like an ozone layer purifier.)
  • Fighting crime a different way.

    • Everybody loves the Batman, but in reality he has had an awful amount of failure as a crime fighter. Multiple robins dying, and innocent people losing their lives every day because of the Joker, the villain that Batman cannot bring himself to kill.
    • Letting Superman be his right hand man, cleaning up crime across the globe. Bruce could use his tactical expertise to aid Superman in their fight for justice.
    • Inventing a specialized suit made of Lead that could absorb sunlight, making Superman immune to the negative effects of kryptonite and also enhancing his abilities.
    • Creating the most technologically advanced unbreakable prison cells. Holding anybody from Joker to Doomsday with 0% chance of escaping.

What are your thoughts on this?

P.S

Please no bickering or fighting about who is better, Superman or Batman. This is just a hypothetical question that I think would be interesting to expand upon. Let's keep it mature.

#2 Posted by AllStarSuperman (20149 posts) - - Show Bio

I have had the same thoughts. If Bruce focused on crime threw charity. He would be more successful.

#3 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman I agree. Although it is much more exciting to see him jump off a building and kick some thug in the face.

#4 Posted by Ms. Omega (4404 posts) - - Show Bio

You do bring up some good points.

#5 Edited by Wolfrazer (6080 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure it's constantly noted that Lex is smarter than Bruce.

#6 Posted by RetconCrisis (3366 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure it's constantly noted that Lex is smarter than Bruce.

Lex is first, Bruce is second, and Mister Terrific is third smartest on Earth.

#7 Edited by Battle_Forum_Junkie (7590 posts) - - Show Bio

You do bring up some good points.

Agreed. But if Bruce solved all the worlds problems there'd be no need for Batman. And nobody wants to see that. :P

#8 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: I've heard claims for both. Do you think Bruce has enough intelligence to better all of humanity tho?

#9 Posted by Wolfrazer (6080 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: Better than Batman? Yes.

#10 Edited by HumanRocket (7516 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread kinda reminds me of the first couple issues of Indestructible Hulk. How Banner stayed Banner he could change the world with his inventions and his kind rather than destroying the world as the Hulk. It's kinda like hey you can change the world as Batman and also as Bruce Wayne. I like the idea.

#11 Posted by fil123 (471 posts) - - Show Bio

same could be said about iron man, tony could cure cancer, stop global warming etc

#12 Edited by NICK31898 (2087 posts) - - Show Bio
@jmg said:

Batman is in my top ten so don't think this is a hate thread. But after reading a thread on here asking if Superman or Lex Luthor would be better for humanity some questions dawned on me. It's been said that Lex has the capacity to change humanity for the better but he is too egotistical and selfish.

Bruce Wayne is constantly labeled as the most intelligent in the DC Universe. And I know this won't happen because they want to sell comics and people want Batman to keep on being Batman. This is just for the sake of conversation. So with that said, in my opinion, I think it would be best if he...

  • Focused on Wayne Corporation.

    • If Bruce put 100% focus on Wayne Corps. the possibilities could be endless with a man of his intelligence,wealth, and ambition running the show.
    • Top dollar could be paid to the brightest scientist along with Bruce himself to invent cures for all the worlds worst diseases.
    • He could use his influence to create charities and donations to feed all third world countries and families here in our home country who cannot afford to eat on a daily basis. Or pull the money out of his own pocket.
    • Bruce could also invent other gadgets instead of combat tools that would help out with humanity (Idk something crazy like an ozone layer purifier.)
  • Fighting crime a different way.

    • Everybody loves the Batman, but in reality he has had an awful amount of failure as a crime fighter. Multiple robins dying, and innocent people losing their lives every day because of the Joker, the villain that Batman cannot bring himself to kill.
    • Letting Superman be his right hand man, cleaning up crime across the globe. Bruce could use his tactical expertise to aid Superman in their fight for justice.
    • Inventing a specialized suit made of Lead that could absorb sunlight, making Superman immune to the negative effects of kryptonite and also enhancing his abilities.
    • Creating the most technologically advanced unbreakable prison cells. Holding anybody from Joker to Doomsday with 0% chance of escaping.

What are your thoughts on this?

P.S

Please no bickering or fighting about who is better, Superman or Batman. This is just a hypothetical question that I think would be interesting to expand upon. Let's keep it mature.

I'm pretty sure Brainiac, is the most intelligent one in the DC universe-

#13 Posted by CuddleBear (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

i think you underestimate the importance of punching crime in its face. let bill gates do that other stuff.

#14 Posted by DeathandGrim (2008 posts) - - Show Bio

This is actually the continuing concept of batman (IMO) Is he just as crazy as the people he fights?

Is there a better way?

But honestly if it isn't the Bat himself out there solving crimes then it's up to Bullock and Gordon to do it the 'right' way. And that's pretty much a blind alley.

Gotham needs Bats and the Bat family because quite frankly no one else is gonna be able to do it. Superman in theory sure but he has a life. A life not in Gotham.

Bruce is damned if he does. And damned if he doesn't basically.

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#15 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (5873 posts) - - Show Bio

It's simple...We kill The Joker.

#16 Edited by DeathandGrim (2008 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: social work and improve america's economy

#18 Edited by Jeremy1989 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg said:

Batman is in my top ten so don't think this is a hate thread. But after reading a thread on here asking if Superman or Lex Luthor would be better for humanity some questions dawned on me. It's been said that Lex has the capacity to change humanity for the better but he is too egotistical and selfish.

Bruce Wayne is constantly labeled as the most intelligent in the DC Universe. And I know this won't happen because they want to sell comics and people want Batman to keep on being Batman. This is just for the sake of conversation. So with that said, in my opinion, I think it would be best if he...

  • Focused on Wayne Corporation.

    • If Bruce put 100% focus on Wayne Corps. the possibilities could be endless with a man of his intelligence,wealth, and ambition running the show.
    • Top dollar could be paid to the brightest scientist along with Bruce himself to invent cures for all the worlds worst diseases.
    • He could use his influence to create charities and donations to feed all third world countries and families here in our home country who cannot afford to eat on a daily basis. Or pull the money out of his own pocket.
    • Bruce could also invent other gadgets instead of combat tools that would help out with humanity (Idk something crazy like an ozone layer purifier.)
  • Fighting crime a different way.

    • Everybody loves the Batman, but in reality he has had an awful amount of failure as a crime fighter. Multiple robins dying, and innocent people losing their lives every day because of the Joker, the villain that Batman cannot bring himself to kill.
    • Letting Superman be his right hand man, cleaning up crime across the globe. Bruce could use his tactical expertise to aid Superman in their fight for justice.
    • Inventing a specialized suit made of Lead that could absorb sunlight, making Superman immune to the negative effects of kryptonite and also enhancing his abilities.
    • Creating the most technologically advanced unbreakable prison cells. Holding anybody from Joker to Doomsday with 0% chance of escaping.

What are your thoughts on this?

P.S

Please no bickering or fighting about who is better, Superman or Batman. This is just a hypothetical question that I think would be interesting to expand upon. Let's keep it mature.

I'm pretty sure Brainiac, is the most intelligent one in the DC universe-

Yet he was defeated by Superman ;)

#19 Edited by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio
@deathandgrim said:

This is actually the continuing concept of batman (IMO) Is he just as crazy as the people he fights?

Is there a better way?

But honestly if it isn't the Bat himself out there solving crimes then it's up to Bullock and Gordon to do it the 'right' way. And that's pretty much a blind alley.

Gotham needs Bats and the Bat family because quite frankly no one else is gonna be able to do it. Superman in theory sure but he has a life. A life not in Gotham.

Bruce is damned if he does. And damned if he doesn't basically.

Hmm.. I never thought about it with Superman like that. I guess in order for this theory to work Superman would have to go global and not be so over protective of Metropolis. This brings up another question as well. What could Superman accomplish if he didn't limit his attention to Metropolis and Louis Lane?

#20 Posted by MonsterStomp (16082 posts) - - Show Bio

Fighting crime a different way - Help other heroes fight better.

What?

#21 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by MonsterStomp (16082 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: I just find it strange why a hero of Batman's calibre would spend what you call "crime fighting", helping other heroes fight crime.

#23 Posted by deaditegonzo (3632 posts) - - Show Bio

I have had the same thoughts. If Bruce focused on crime through charity. He would be more successful.

Shoot, that is the claim to fame for the Wayne family. He cant do much as one man with a vendetta, but his financials and his organization can do a world of good.

#24 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: Batmans rogue gallery are a joke in the eyes of a super powered member of the justice league. (Even tho they are some of the most interesting reads in all of comics.) If Batman did make that suit for Superman, then there would be no need for him to fight crime with his hands ever again. You don't have to punch something in the face to eliminate crime.

#25 Edited by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: And plus if Bruce Wayne was spending most of his time helping the entire world instead of just gotham, then he would have no time to be out at 3am punching people that the flash could easily take care of for him.

#26 Posted by MonsterStomp (16082 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg said:

@monsterstomp: Batmans rogue gallery are a joke in the eyes of a super powered member of the justice league. (Even tho they are some of the most interesting reads in all of comics.) If Batman did make that suit for Superman, then there would be no need for him to fight crime with his hands ever again. You don't have to punch something in the face to eliminate crime.

Still doesn't make sense to me. That basically strips Batman of all purpose.

#27 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: Well like I said earlier it would not sell comics because people love to see Batman in action. But he could do so much for the more for the WORLD instead of just beating up villains who are obsessed with umbrellas and riddles in Gotham.

#28 Edited by MonsterStomp (16082 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: I'm going to have to disagree. Too many problems > one solution.

#29 Edited by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: What good is he doing now? Every criminal he fights ends back on the street in no time.

#30 Edited by MonsterStomp (16082 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: That's what makes Batman one of the most enjoyable material out. It's not like Superman is keeping all his villains in check.

#31 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: I agree with you on that. Batman is one of the most interesting comic books out there. But I'm not speaking in a sense of interesting comic book story arcs. I'm trying to look at it in a realistic point of view. In my opinion, and you may disagree with me, curing the world of all it's life threatening diseases is a way bigger feat than not killing the joker because he has good morals. And you're right, all comic book villains get away in the end because they want to bring them back for more issues. But you cannot tell me that Batman could take on Superman's rogue gallery by himself.

#32 Edited by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

or that Superman couldn't handle all of batman's rogue gallery if they were in the same room in a couple of minutes.

#33 Edited by MonsterStomp (16082 posts) - - Show Bio

o.O

#34 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

?

#35 Edited by Alak (925 posts) - - Show Bio

I completely agree with the OP and honestly, it would be logical for Bruce Wayne to do everything mentioned above while also being Batman. It's not like he does anything else during the day except workout and sleep, so he could just make a few phone calls and have some staff members of his company do all of the charity organization and scientific research for him. However, one thing we have to remember is that Batman's not all there mentally. He has a personal vendetta against crime, and it wouldn't be in his character to let someone else do the crime fighting for him. While Bruce definitely wants to make Gotham a better place, he also relishes in making criminals feel pain.

It's actually pretty interesting to wonder how each hero could change the world if they chose to branch out of their own cities, or chose to forgo their personal lives. Given what he did in Kingdom Come, I would definitely love to see a what-if comic featuring the Flash going global.

#36 Edited by dbatdog (532 posts) - - Show Bio

if only he smile allot and give away allot of money, then he would be a better hero...

#37 Posted by patrat18 (8876 posts) - - Show Bio

He's the Got damn Batman. You can't get any better than that.

#38 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (5318 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by toplel (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Everything you say he should do by focusing on WE, he already does. The Wayne Foundation does exactly that; fund charities and support the helpless. But Gotham has shown over and over again that its problems can't be solved by throwing money at them. It is corrupt to the very core and Superman can't do anything about that. He doesn't even like the city in the first place.

Realistically, Bruce, as Batman and Bruce Wayne, should be able to uproot a lot of the corruption using his skills and ensure that there aren't as many breakouts from Arkham or Blackgate. But that leads to an eventual conclusion, which you cannot have in the main continuity.

#40 Posted by RustyRoy (11081 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: Why doesn't he just hire all the Flashs? Why doesn't he create a bunch of Superpowered soldiers? He doesn't he build an army of Batbots? I think you know the answer.

This thread kinda reminds me of the first couple issues of Indestructible Hulk. How Banner stayed Banner he could change the world with his inventions and his kind rather than destroying the world as the Hulk. It's kinda like hey you can change the world as Batman and also as Bruce Wayne. I like the idea.

Agreed.

#41 Edited by Anbu_B_Team (392 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: I agree with a lot of your points, and it does seem that Batman/Bruce is capable of a lot more with his intelligence level. He made the Omac project, which from my limited knowledge, seems like a pretty big deal. So solving world hunger or fixing the ozone...etc sounds reasonable, given the time. But isn't the Justice league just for what you are proposing? They are a group of super hero's to take on issues bigger than one hero can handle.

Maybe the justice league should be trying to do more as well? Then again it is all about what the writers want. And readers and writers alike want to see Batman, "jump off buildings and kick foes in the face." There are too many large scale crisis going on for charities and humanitarian projects while Gods are waring and the Universe is on the brink of destruction every other day. IMO

#42 Posted by NICK31898 (2087 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick31898 said:
@jmg said:

Batman is in my top ten so don't think this is a hate thread. But after reading a thread on here asking if Superman or Lex Luthor would be better for humanity some questions dawned on me. It's been said that Lex has the capacity to change humanity for the better but he is too egotistical and selfish.

Bruce Wayne is constantly labeled as the most intelligent in the DC Universe. And I know this won't happen because they want to sell comics and people want Batman to keep on being Batman. This is just for the sake of conversation. So with that said, in my opinion, I think it would be best if he...

  • Focused on Wayne Corporation.

    • If Bruce put 100% focus on Wayne Corps. the possibilities could be endless with a man of his intelligence,wealth, and ambition running the show.
    • Top dollar could be paid to the brightest scientist along with Bruce himself to invent cures for all the worlds worst diseases.
    • He could use his influence to create charities and donations to feed all third world countries and families here in our home country who cannot afford to eat on a daily basis. Or pull the money out of his own pocket.
    • Bruce could also invent other gadgets instead of combat tools that would help out with humanity (Idk something crazy like an ozone layer purifier.)
  • Fighting crime a different way.

    • Everybody loves the Batman, but in reality he has had an awful amount of failure as a crime fighter. Multiple robins dying, and innocent people losing their lives every day because of the Joker, the villain that Batman cannot bring himself to kill.
    • Letting Superman be his right hand man, cleaning up crime across the globe. Bruce could use his tactical expertise to aid Superman in their fight for justice.
    • Inventing a specialized suit made of Lead that could absorb sunlight, making Superman immune to the negative effects of kryptonite and also enhancing his abilities.
    • Creating the most technologically advanced unbreakable prison cells. Holding anybody from Joker to Doomsday with 0% chance of escaping.

What are your thoughts on this?

P.S

Please no bickering or fighting about who is better, Superman or Batman. This is just a hypothetical question that I think would be interesting to expand upon. Let's keep it mature.

I'm pretty sure Brainiac, is the most intelligent one in the DC universe-

Yet he was defeated by Superman ;)

Intellect doesn't always win a fight. Superman is more powerful than brainiac, combat wise.

Without kryptonite, superman would demolish batman.

#43 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@toplel said:

Everything you say he should do by focusing on WE, he already does. The Wayne Foundation does exactly that; fund charities and support the helpless. But Gotham has shown over and over again that its problems can't be solved by throwing money at them. It is corrupt to the very core and Superman can't do anything about that. He doesn't even like the city in the first place.

Realistically, Bruce, as Batman and Bruce Wayne, should be able to uproot a lot of the corruption using his skills and ensure that there aren't as many breakouts from Arkham or Blackgate. But that leads to an eventual conclusion, which you cannot have in the main continuity.

Very good way of putting it. I think that's one of the main reasons Batman titles are so interesting to read.

#44 Posted by JMG (224 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmg: I agree with a lot of your points, and it does seem that Batman/Bruce is capable of a lot more with his intelligence level. He made the Omac project, which from my limited knowledge, seems like a pretty big deal. So solving world hunger or fixing the ozone...etc sounds reasonable, given the time. But isn't the Justice league just for what you are proposing? They are a group of super hero's to take on issues bigger than one hero can handle.

Maybe the justice league should be trying to do more as well? Then again it is all about what the writers want. And readers and writers alike want to see Batman, "jump off buildings and kick foes in the face." There are too many large scale crisis going on for charities and humanitarian projects while Gods are waring and the Universe is on the brink of destruction every other day. IMO

Yes they are. I probably offended some people by saying Batman has a lot of failures as a crime fighter lol. But again another thing I never thought about was the fact they live in a universe where there are evil beings from outer space trying to blow up their planet and things of that nature.

But I still feel like Batman's vendetta is futile. In the whole spectrum of overall goodness for humanity. But it is personal with him when it comes to the city of Gotham and he is not a very psychologically stable man. It all boils down to people love Batman stories, from him not having any super powers to his rich library of interesting villains, so he is written as a man who can take down every member of the justice league. On the other hand, all the super powered members of the justice league deal with bigger threats than Batman but the majority of their villains either have stupid names, costumes, back stories or all three.

But yes I agree with you. The Justice League need to get off their asses and stop letting Bruce punk them lol