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#1 Posted by Vermoot (95 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey everyone !

I thought it might be good to make a thread pointing out how Greg Land thinks of us as idiots by showing all of his rip-offs, tracing and recycling you might find.

I just came across this image made by about Marvel NOW!'s Iron Man #1 preview :

Gotta say I really am worried about him taking over Iron Man in december...

So, everyone assemble, and show us your findings !

#2 Posted by ssejllenrad (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

So he traces.. Who cares? It's not like plagiarism is a crime... Hehehe!

You want people to take action against his "tracing"? Have him trace the Apple logo... They'll sue the sh*t outta him.

#3 Posted by The_Soverighn (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

http://fuck-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/

#4 Posted by Cap10nate (2741 posts) - - Show Bio

In defense of the Iron Man pictures, the are only so many ways you can draw an expressionless armored person. I'm sure if you look at most pictures drawn of him there is a similar one in his 60 plus year history

#5 Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7 (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Soverighn said:

http://fuck-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/

Thank you so much for posting that tumblr.

#6 Edited by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish he'd do a youtube video on how to trace(Using photoshop or something) I'd would make fan fiction comics out the ass!

Edit: If you have a youtube video or something showing it please post it!

#7 Posted by Vermoot (95 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cap10nate yeah and there must also be so many ways you can draw his hands. (look at the first picture)

#8 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

I know people get very passionate about things like this, but Land's style is a legitimate art style. The only problem would be if he were tracing the work of other artists and not attributing proper credit.

If he's not your cup of tea, that's fine, but he's not doing anything illegitimate.

Alex Ross, who people hail as a demigod, does all of his work from photo reference taken of models. It's not that different.

#9 Posted by Vermoot (95 posts) - - Show Bio

Fully disagree. Whereas tracing pictures can be considered legitimate (if only he would "attribute propoer credit" to other artists (photographs too, it'd only be fair), his porn faces all over his books are NOT tolerable.

Many of his female "drawings" are traced porn. That's just sad. And no, that is NOT legitimate art. That's not what I pay for.

Porn tracing. COME ON.

Sexist art. Recycling. Tracing, or even stealing other artist's work. Incomplete or disastrous art. And I should be okay paying comics with this ?

Just a little "best of" of what I found on

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On another kind of "what the actual frak", here are the many faces of Ben Grimm :

I'm NOT okay paying for this.
#10 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5696 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vermoot

Fully disagree. Whereas tracing pictures can be considered legitimate (if only he would "attribute propoer credit" to other artists (photographs too, it'd only be fair), his porn faces all over his books are NOT tolerable.

Many of his female "drawings" are traced porn. That's just sad. And no, that is NOT legitimate art. That's not what I pay for.

Porn tracing. COME ON.

Sexist art. Recycling. Tracing, or even stealing other artist's work. Incomplete or disastrous art. And I should be okay paying comics with this ?

Just a little "best of" of what I found on

.

On another kind of "what the actual frak", here are the many faces of Ben Grimm :

I'm NOT okay paying for this.
Lol! Doesn't Osborn look suspiciously like a white Obama ? Land should be ashamed of himself. SMH.
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#11 Posted by Inverno (13292 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Edited by kuonphobos (4928 posts) - - Show Bio

In "The Best of Wizard Basic Training: How to Draw Vol 1" pgs 114-118 Greg Land has a segment called "Photo Reference". He is quite unapologetic.

Boris Vallejo also lays out this same method in his book "Boris Vallejo: Fantasy Art Techniques". He is also quite unapologetic.

I love Greg Land's work, especially on Sojourn

I do however also enjoy your "enthusiasm".

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#13 Posted by Vance Astro (91416 posts) - - Show Bio

He keeps getting work..so he wins.

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#14 Posted by TDK_1997 (15110 posts) - - Show Bio

Greg Land is a horrible artist and I don't know how he keeps getting work.

#15 Posted by Vance Astro (91416 posts) - - Show Bio
@TDK_1997 said:

Greg Land is a horrible artist and I don't know how he keeps getting work.

Because not enough people actually care.
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#16 Posted by Razero (336 posts) - - Show Bio

Well....at least it's nice to look at.

#17 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

Greg ducking Land.

#18 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really see the problem. The art is still good to look at.

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#19 Posted by zombietag (1483 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

I don't really see the problem. The art is still good to look at.

i agree to some extent. but this is like... cheating. like totally stealing other peoples work because hes lazy and / or not talented enough to do it himself

#20 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

@zombietag: I understand where you're coming from but apparently Marvel doesn't really care.

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#21 Posted by Vance Astro (91416 posts) - - Show Bio
@zombietag said:

@Deranged Midget said:

I don't really see the problem. The art is still good to look at.

i agree to some extent. but this is like... cheating. like totally stealing other peoples work because hes lazy and / or not talented enough to do it himself

I don't think he's lazy. I'd bet on the talent part. It is like cheating but if Marvel knows he's doing it and they still employ him, I feel like people should be madder at them.
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#22 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

but if Marvel knows he's doing it and they still employ him, I feel like people should be madder at them.

Basically what I think as well.

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#23 Posted by SC (13405 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel is aware of Greg Land's art practices, and David Mack, but its basically reward versus risk. Greg Land is reputed to be one of Marvels fastest illustrators and thats handy to have since deadlines are a priority and so is speed over originality. That and its actually a bit hard to like really punish Marvel or its artists over tracing material that they shouldn't. Remember when an artist straight up used a photo of Amy Grant with a filter and she couldn't even sue them for using her likeness she had to go the route of suing Marvel for associating her with demonic imagery or something. Really the only way Marvel will take note is if enough people make enough noise and the risk of hiring Land outweighs the reward, and I remember like being the only poster in the Land vs Liefeld thread to prefer Liefeld simply because he is original so Land probably won't be going anywhere soon.    

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#24 Posted by SmashBrawler (5978 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC said:

Marvel is aware of Greg Land's art practices, and David Mack, but its basically reward versus risk. Greg Land is reputed to be one of Marvels fastest illustrators and thats handy to have since deadlines are a priority and so is speed over originality. That and its actually a bit hard to like really punish Marvel or its artists over tracing material that they shouldn't. Remember when an artist straight up used a photo of Amy Grant with a filter and she couldn't even sue them for using her likeness she had to go the route of suing Marvel for associating her with demonic imagery or something. Really the only way Marvel will take note is if enough people make enough noise and the risk of hiring Land outweighs the reward, and I remember like being the only poster in the Land vs Liefeld thread to prefer Liefeld simply because he is original so Land probably won't be going anywhere soon.

Google "Rob Liefeld swipe" (without the quotation marks)

Liefeld is anything but original

#25 Posted by SC (13405 posts) - - Show Bio
@SmashBrawler said:

@SC said:

Marvel is aware of Greg Land's art practices, and David Mack, but its basically reward versus risk. Greg Land is reputed to be one of Marvels fastest illustrators and thats handy to have since deadlines are a priority and so is speed over originality. That and its actually a bit hard to like really punish Marvel or its artists over tracing material that they shouldn't. Remember when an artist straight up used a photo of Amy Grant with a filter and she couldn't even sue them for using her likeness she had to go the route of suing Marvel for associating her with demonic imagery or something. Really the only way Marvel will take note is if enough people make enough noise and the risk of hiring Land outweighs the reward, and I remember like being the only poster in the Land vs Liefeld thread to prefer Liefeld simply because he is original so Land probably won't be going anywhere soon.

Google "Rob Liefeld swipe" (without the quotation marks)

Liefeld is anything but original

 
Oh I am aware of Liefeld's tracing too, I should have probably said more original, as in he hasn't made a career out of tracing the same way Greg Land has. You know? The joke being that if you ever see a Liefeld drawing where the characters body is in proportion he probably traced it, but how often do you see a Liefeld drawing that isn't out of proportion?  
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#26 Posted by Mercy_ (91887 posts) - - Show Bio
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