Can't blame the writer though. This is what happens when you let fans decide fights. The same fans that decided Storm could beat Wonder Woman, Spider-man could beat Superboy, and Batman could beat Captain America. At least they got Superman over Hulk right.
Can't blame the writer though. This is what happens when you let fans decide fights. The same fans that decided Storm could beat Wonder Woman, Spider-man could beat Superboy, and Batman could beat Captain America. At least they got Superman over Hulk right.
They also had Batman beating Hulk with a kick to the chest. That was ridiculous :P
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@Manwhohaseverything said:
Can't blame the writer though. This is what happens when you let fans decide fights. The same fans that decided Storm could beat Wonder Woman, Spider-man could beat Superboy, and Batman could beat Captain America. At least they got Superman over Hulk right.
Um... I'm a confessed Wolverine Fan-boy and even I'm looking at this scene, laughing and thinking W...T...F?!?!?
So if the fans vote that Paste Pot Pete kicks the crap out of Darkseid, then..... LOL!!! Actually, that might be kind of fun to see...
@guttridgeb: but... When Batman kicked the Hulk...Did have prep time? That's some powerful stuff there. I'm told with enough Prep Time Batman could take down God Almighty Himself...
Can't blame the writer though. This is what happens when you let fans decide fights. The same fans that decided Storm could beat Wonder Woman, Spider-man could beat Superboy, and Batman could beat Captain America. At least they got Superman over Hulk right.
Even though I like Wonder Woman way more, this is honestly the most insulting moment of Marvel vs. DC for me. It's like the writers couldn't come up with a plausible way for Wolverine to beat Lobo so they just left most of the fight literally off-panel. Oh, and Wolverine decides to punch Lobo instead of, you know, using his goddamn claws. Brilliant.
Um... I'm a confessed Wolverine Fan-boy and even I'm looking at this scene, laughing and thinking W...T...F?!?!?
So if the fans vote that Paste Pot Pete kicks the crap out of Darkseid, then..... LOL!!! Actually, that might be kind of fun to see...
@guttridgeb: but... When Batman kicked the Hulk...Did have prep time? That's some powerful stuff there. I'm told with enough Prep Time Batman could take down God Almighty Himself...
You mean this little gem. I like that they tried (and failed) to make it sound reasonable talking about how the kicks "startles "Hulk.
It's not just that Storm beat Wonder Woman..It's HOW she won. Why, oh why, is this fight not OVER after this page? I've seen nothing in Storm's durability that suggest she can take a kick in the head from WW (especially this version of WW) and continue fighting. Or living for that matter.
@Wolfrazer: The worst thing is the Bat fanboys response to the video. They're worse on Youtube than on here but Bat fanboys aren't the most pleasant of fanboys.
It's not just that Storm beat Wonder Woman..It's HOW she won. Why, oh why, is this fight not OVER after this page? I've seen nothing in Storm's durability that suggest she can take a kick in the head from WW (especially this version of WW) and continue fighting. Or living for that matter.
Well... Storm uses a special type of hair gel. This gel contains "Bendis extract 101"... Also, she's wearing a cloak. Do you not recognize the CLOAK OF QUESADA which shields all of her actions from the iron grip of explanations???
Ah, the infamous Issue 53. Even as a big Batfan, the fact that he took the whole team out in the span of five pages is ridiculous.
One could argue that the team was still 'inexperienced' then, but honestly, it's sh*t like this that made Morrison's 'Batgod' concept get a bad reputation...
Ah, the infamous Issue 53. Even as a big Batfan, the fact that he took the whole team out in the span of five pages is ridiculous.
One could argue that the team was still 'inexperienced' then, but honestly, it's sh*t like this that made Morrison's 'Batgod' concept get a bad reputation...
Oh, I remember this issue... It still baffles me. So invulnerable =knuckles shatter on impact, but kick to abdomen.... works?
I mean this would make sense if a somewhat weaker guy did this to a somewhat stronger dude, but come on! Jeeeesus christ... ''Cosmic being?! Hah! No problem brah! I got this, i still remember my old wrestling moves!!''
Ah, the infamous Issue 53. Even as a big Batfan, the fact that he took the whole team out in the span of five pages is ridiculous.
One could argue that the team was still 'inexperienced' then, but honestly, it's sh*t like this that made Morrison's 'Batgod' concept get a bad reputation...
Oh, I remember this issue... It still baffles me. So invulnerable =knuckles shatter on impact, but kick to abdomen.... works?
(And I'm so sorry for including this)
nah this is not PIS since spectre stated that he let batman do it. but here in jla/spectre soul war batman saves the spectre from trans' control and the spectre refers to batman as being truly the most powerful of us all lol.
i mean batman is cool and all, i myself love the character but i guess writers should be reminded that batman actually has limits, because this is utterly ridiculous.
I love Spider-Man but there's no way he should have been able to take Firelord, a Herald level character down. Like at all.
I remember this story, and (with respect) I have to disagree with you. However, I have an explanation.
First, it wasn't really just Spider-man who beat Firelord that day. Notice the costume he's wearing. That is not just a black version of cloth, that's the symbiote that he's wearing. That fight happened before he knew what the symbiote was. Now, normal Spider-man is rather strong, fast, and near impossible to hit. However, THAT Spider-man was enhanced by the symbiote. Consider how powerful Flash Thompson is now that he is Venom. Flash Thompson doesn't have super human strength, speed, or reflexes and yet he goes toe to toe with some of the strongest. If a symbiote can take a paraplegic and turn them into a super hero, imagine what it should be able to do for someone who can already lift 10 to 15 tons. Even without the symbiote, Peter Parker can lift somewhere between 20 to 30 THOUSAND POUNDS, has a reaction time that is16 times faster than the average human, has perfect balance, and he heals faster. Now, you take someone like that and THEN enhance them with the symbiote and the possibility of him pummeling Firelord becomes more believable.
Secondly, (and this one I read in a letters section in response to a reader that couldn't accept Firelord being beaten by Spider-man) this was addressed by the writer (whose name I can't recall at the moment.) He explained that Fire lord had just made a very long journey. Also, prior to this scene, a few things had happened that took a toll on him. 1: he dove into the Hudson River to retrieve his staff, after Spider-man through it into the river. 2: Spider-man lured him into a building that blew up (I can't remember why...there was gas or explosives stored there) 3: I THINK he was weak and hadn't eaten in a while (Lame, I know...) I may not be getting this exactly right. It's been a very long time since I read this. I'm surprised I remember it at all. In fact, I read it the first day it was available at the comic book store. Anyway, the point here, is that Firelord was tired and had been worn down PRIOR to the final fight scene.
Third, Spider-man almost NEVER goes all out. He is constantly pulling his punches. He never wants to kill or maim. So, even though we get the impression that he doesn't hit very hard because he's often fighting street level thugs, the truth is, we never really get to see exactly how hard he can punch or how much damage he can really do.
I realize this might seem like a lame explanation, but it IS plausible... Don't you think?
Ah, the infamous Issue 53. Even as a big Batfan, the fact that he took the whole team out in the span of five pages is ridiculous.
One could argue that the team was still 'inexperienced' then, but honestly, it's sh*t like this that made Morrison's 'Batgod' concept get a bad reputation...
Oh, I remember this issue... It still baffles me. So invulnerable =knuckles shatter on impact, but kick to abdomen.... works?
(And I'm so sorry for including this)
Well YAH a kick to the absomen works. Batman used one to take down the incredible Hulk. EVERYONE knows that... LOL!!!! Dayum that Batman must have a powerful kick!
@rolldestroyer: A human in the same room as Flash will never, ever have time to throw an attack before he kicks your head off. Its hilariously sad some think this was legit.
@rolldestroyer: A human in the same room as Flash will never, ever have time to throw an attack before he kicks your head off. Its hilariously sad some think this was legit.
not only that but oneshot wonder woman and physically take on aquaman and martian manhunter. that's BS
Ah, the infamous Issue 53. Even as a big Batfan, the fact that he took the whole team out in the span of five pages is ridiculous.
One could argue that the team was still 'inexperienced' then, but honestly, it's sh*t like this that made Morrison's 'Batgod' concept get a bad reputation...
Oh, I remember this issue... It still baffles me. So invulnerable =knuckles shatter on impact, but kick to abdomen.... works?
(And I'm so sorry for including this)
Well YAH a kick to the absomen works. Batman used one to take down the incredible Hulk. EVERYONE knows that... LOL!!!! Dayum that Batman must have a powerful kick!
@Timandm: So Firelord was weakened? That explains one thing. However Spider-Man wasn't actually enhanced with the symbiote suit. It just changed his behaviour, not his physical stats. It's a common misidentification. @Slim8JD knows more about it so I've cited him in this post to explain more details.
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that in the 616 universe, the symbiote doesn't change Spider-Man's behavior. According to the Marvel Wiki, the symbiote in the comics initially only gave him organic webbing and camouflage abilities. The whole 'more aggressive' thing didn't come on until Spider-Man: TAS coined it.
Sorry for the minor nitpick, but I thought it was worth addressing.
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that in the 616 universe, the symbiote doesn't change Spider-Man's behavior. According to the Marvel Wiki, the symbiote in the comics initially only gave him organic webbing and camouflage abilities. The whole 'more aggressive' thing didn't come on until Spider-Man: TAS coined it.
Sorry for the minor nitpick, but I thought it was worth addressing.
Yeah... the reason why Peter got rid of the suit was because it started doing it own things while Peter was sleeping, wasnt it?
I love Spider-Man but there's no way he should have been able to take Firelord, a Herald level character down. Like at all.
I remember this story, and (with respect) I have to disagree with you. However, I have an explanation. First, it wasn't really just Spider-man who beat Firelord that day. Notice the costume he's wearing. That is not just a black version of cloth, that's the symbiote that he's wearing. That fight happened before he knew what the symbiote was. Now, normal Spider-man is rather strong, fast, and near impossible to hit. However, THAT Spider-man was enhanced by the symbiote. Consider how powerful Flash Thompson is now that he is Venom. Flash Thompson doesn't have super human strength, speed, or reflexes and yet he goes toe to toe with some of the strongest. If a symbiote can take a paraplegic and turn them into a super hero, imagine what it should be able to do for someone who can already lift 10 to 15 tons. Even without the symbiote, Peter Parker can lift somewhere between 20 to 30 THOUSAND POUNDS, has a reaction time that is16 times faster than the average human, has perfect balance, and he heals faster. Now, you take someone like that and THEN enhance them with the symbiote and the possibility of him pummeling Firelord becomes more believable. Secondly, (and this one I read in a letters section in response to a reader that couldn't accept Firelord being beaten by Spider-man) this was addressed by the writer (whose name I can't recall at the moment.) He explained that Fire lord had just made a very long journey. Also, prior to this scene, a few things had happened that took a toll on him. 1: he dove into the Hudson River to retrieve his staff, after Spider-man through it into the river. 2: Spider-man lured him into a building that blew up (I can't remember why...there was gas or explosives stored there) 3: I THINK he was weak and hadn't eaten in a while (Lame, I know...) I may not be getting this exactly right. It's been a very long time since I read this. I'm surprised I remember it at all. In fact, I read it the first day it was available at the comic book store. Anyway, the point here, is that Firelord was tired and had been worn down PRIOR to the final fight scene. Third, Spider-man almost NEVER goes all out. He is constantly pulling his punches. He never wants to kill or maim. So, even though we get the impression that he doesn't hit very hard because he's often fighting street level thugs, the truth is, we never really get to see exactly how hard he can punch or how much damage he can really do. I realize this might seem like a lame explanation, but it IS plausible... Don't you think?
Spider-Man separated from the symbiote in Web of Spider-Man #1, published in April 1985. The Firelord fight was Amazing Spider-Man #270, published in November 1985.
From Amazing Spider-Man 259-300, Peter wore a cloth version of the black costume as his main costume, switching back to the red & blue as his main in 301, after Eddie Brock showed up with the symbiote in issue 300.
Point is, it is definitely not the symbiote costume in the Firelord fight. Even if it was though, he still shouldn't be powerful enough to beat a Herald.
I love Spider-Man but there's no way he should have been able to take Firelord, a Herald level character down. Like at all.
THAT Spider-man was enhanced by the symbiote.
No he wasn't, Venom didn't provide any enhancement whatsoever to Spider-Man. I believe that Venom copied his powers and adds the strength to the next host. (This is theory.) Also it was stated by Brock that the symbiote couldn't enhance Spider-Man because he already had powers. The only reason people think this is because the 90's TAS.
Ah, the infamous Issue 53. Even as a big Batfan, the fact that he took the whole team out in the span of five pages is ridiculous.
One could argue that the team was still 'inexperienced' then, but honestly, it's sh*t like this that made Morrison's 'Batgod' concept get a bad reputation...
Oh, I remember this issue... It still baffles me. So invulnerable =knuckles shatter on impact, but kick to abdomen.... works?
(And I'm so sorry for including this)
nah this is not PIS since spectre stated that he let batman do it. but here in jla/spectre soul war batman saves the spectre from trans' control and the spectre refers to batman as being truly the most powerful of us all lol.
i mean batman is cool and all, i myself love the character but i guess writers should be reminded that batman actually has limits, because this is utterly ridiculous.
Wow..so much wrong in so little time. I really don't think putting a batarang rope thingy around Hal's wrist is going to stop him from using his ring. Or even slow him down. The Spectre image was taking to long to download, but I'm pretty sure the Spectre knows a couple hundred entities more powerful than Batman, as he goes against them on a daily basis. Wy would he refer to Batman as the most powerful? Did he forget who he is?
@Veshark: Not at all I welcome the nit picking. And you're definitely right on the money when I think about it. Thank you for proving me wrong. I must admit I was probably subconsciously thinking of the Spider-Man TAS and Spectacular Spider-Man episodes with the black suit where he starts acting like an aggressive douche to everyone. I knew about the organic webbing but I didn't know the suit gave him camouflage abilities.
@Moonchilde: I realised it was the black cloth version after logging off. And he's still only a 10 tonner who shouldn't be able to beat a Herald power level character like Firelord. Now if Spider-Man beat Terrax, that I could understand. Terrax is a massive jobber most of the time.
@GrandSymbiote94: That theory sounds about right to me. I've seen the scans you're talking about.
@GrandSymbiote94: Yes, I know Eddie said that once... but I think that's a case where the writers are contradicting each other.
Two things: First, Spider-Man, with the symbiote, lifted an entire tank by himself. A TANK. That would have been late 80s to 90s, so that would have been an Abrams Tank weighing between 60 to 70 tons.... He lifted THAT...
Second, check out this site. http://spiderman.wikia.com/wiki/Symbiote_Costume
He HAD to be enhanced. There's no way normal Spidey could lift a tank.
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