Goku vs Tsukuyomi Poll

Assume he has full control over his ki. And he always lowers his power level to like, 0 when he is never doing anything. So. Yes, he could break out of it.

This is all assuming ki equals chakra if it's working on him in the first place.

@iusemycajonas: I'm sorry, how do you tag someone?

Use the @ sign .

There's already a thread about this.

You already made the same thread, what's the point of this?

@amendment50: It's a poll.

I just voted and i made my point clear on the original thread so I won't get into detail here. But Goku dies if Itachi wishes

But Tsukiyomi is invincible.

This thread has been made a billion times by now.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Goku gets rekt so hard he ends up becoming a key grammatical technique.

Being Durable doesn't affect Genjutsu at all, it's attack mind, Itachi just imagine that Goku doesn't have good durability and it'll happen.

so Goku will end up in a coma

Wasn't this done already?

@khael: It's a Genjutsu attack. If he can focus his ki he can get out of it. Only person who can't in dbz is like, Broly or Kid Buu.

@mrunsmiley: Yes, but this one is a poll, just wanna see what the members of CV think in an easier more summarized way... like a poll.

Yeah, I voted and my opinion hasn't changed since the other thread.

@randomsid: so... you voted for the 2nd one?

Yes, I believe it would hurt him some, but he would endure it.

@getout: I don't really understand. It was stated that if you could control your chakra perfectly you could get out of genjutsu.

He can't, he never do something like that.

People with Sharingan ( It should deflect Telepathic attack ) Fail to get out from Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

Imma have to go with Goku in a comma.

Me too

Goku gets out eventually, unscathed. Remember, Goku broke out of the Afterlife to save Gohan against Bojack, which not many, if any at all, anime characters have done before. I'm sure a little mental-play wouldn't phase him, considering Vegeta basically gave Babidi the middle finger during his whole "mental control" bit. =3

Break out of after life? so what

Vegeta is not Goku

Anyway Tsukuyomi has sent people with Telepathic resistance to a coma

@khael said:

So what? What other anime character can do that? I'm not talking about characters who can casually pass over. I'm talking about ones who are so powerful that they can break through dimensional barriers that not only prohibit but keep out anyone else nearly as powerful as Goku. Don't downplay that fact, it's quite amazing and daring.

No one said Vegeta was Goku. I used Vegeta as an example for, during that moment of the anime, Goku was much more powerful than him and Vegeta withstood mental control, allowing just the power-up he'd receive from it. That says a lot, really.

Were any of those people as powerful as Goku? I doubt they were.

No, Vegeta is not Goku, Vegeta allowed Babidi to control him(sort of), Goku didn't allow it at all.

Okay

And that's it?

Read my last statement

@khael: Are you kidding me? Goku, being able to bust all odds and transition from one side of a barrier no one can breach, to the other side, doesn't matter? That speaks volumes on what Goku is capable of in times of duress. I'm alluding to the idea that Goku, having traversed the dimensions of Afterlife to the Living Realm in order to save his son from being crushed, could very well break free from the Tsukuyomi's grasp and, plausibly, shatter Itachi's hold on him. I don't think you even realize the magnitude of that ability.

I read your posts, it said... "Vegeta is not Goku." And I responded back. *waves over your head.*

Among Goku's repertoire of abilities, one of them is telepathy. Though we don't see him using it extensively, other than to communicate, there is the concept of him having trained his mind to enhance his senses. This, I believe, was covered before in the original thread. It's stated that Goku could use his supernatural senses to figure out someone is playing with his mind - especially when we know Vegeta become awfully aware of Babidi real quick.

@randomsid: @khael: @urban_ninja_x: Yay! It's back!

Yes, it doesn't matter, it has nothing to do with illusion or Telepathy, Tsukuyomi is illusion, after life living real is not, it has nothing to do with that

I'm talking about Itachi manage to perform tsukuyomi to Another Sharingan user, Sharingan SHOULD resist real telepathic attack

Telepathy we're talking about is on another level, it's not talking or noticing to anybody, it can hurt and Controlling somebody

Assuming Goku actually got caught in Tsukuyomi (He wouldn't though) He doesn't have the feats to get out of it.

Goku definitely wouldn't be able to get out of it, but I honestly believe he could endure it.

My argument isn't whether the Afterlife is real or not. I'm giving you one of several amazing feats Goku has accomplished and you're downplaying it without any relevant data to counter. In the end, it does matter, because it's a testament to how powerful Goku's willpower is; so much so that if he absolutely wants to, he will cross dimensional boundaries when laws of reality prevent it. If he's able to do that, he's more than likely able to yank himself out of the Tsukuyomi; also, I never said he could use telepathy to do that, I said he could telepathy to figure out he was in an illusion.

Goku went through hell and came back out with no problem. He survives til genjutsu depletes

@khael: He literally focuses his ki down to low levels all of the time. Hell, that's his only weakness. The fact that he relaxes too easily.

@urban_ninja_x: Are the movies cannon?

EDIT: I mean that movie with Bojack... ?

@getout: No movie, other than Battle of Gods and Revival of F, are canon. However, that doesn't negate the feat, simply because he has crossed dimensions earlier in the anime series.

I'm downplaying it because it has nothing to do with the context, crossing dimension has nothing to do with illusion, why won't you get that? God give me strength

even if he figure out, it's an illusion, he won't counter anything, Kakashi know that it was an illusion, did he counter it? No, Itachi sent him to a coma

Goku 4 da coma.

Coma but I think there's a good chance he has the mental fortitude to endure it as well....I just can't prove it cuz DBZ lacks sufficient TP feats

Lol, typo.

@khael: "It has nothing to do with context." You don't understand the severity of the feat. You downplay it because you can't counter or compare such a feat to another anime character. There is no logic to your argument. And you've completely missed my point several times.

Here's a repeat. I've bold and underlined the important part.

"In the end, it does matter, because it's a testament to how powerful Goku's willpower is; so much so that if he absolutely wants to, he will cross dimensional boundaries when laws of reality prevent it."

Goku's willpower is spectacular, above that of Superman, Batman, and Dr. Doom's. Goku's willpower is what will help him, alongside his telepathy, discover that he is within the confines of Itachi's Tsukuyomi. He is smart enough, when faced with danger, to figure things out and find the weakness in them, as he has proven over and over again. There may not be an obvious weakness, but there is an inherent one. Itachi's decision. Goku can bank on that if he played his cards right. And you know there's a possibility that he could sway Itachi.

@urban_ninja_x: Willpower won't counter genjutsu, Genjutsu is not really work like Telepathy

So he smart enough to what? no, just no

If he doesn't blitz, and gets captured, he doesn't have the feats to survive it.

@khael: Cool. You thinking he's not smart enough is just your opinion.

@urban_ninja_x: Batman always find a way to beat his oppenent

Can he escape from tsukuyomi? No

@khael said:

I say he can. To each their own.

All he needs to do is distrub distrub his ki/chakra to escape from genjutsu.

Goku doesn't have the feats to get out of it. Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him, as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukuyomi in their battle. Tsukuyomi is noted to be one of the most powerful genjutsu in existence, if not the most powerful. Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make a few seconds seem like many days as a means to torture the target. This results in the victim suffering heavy psychological trauma. Therefore, Goku cannot break out of Tsukuyomi because he does not share the same blood as Itachi's, he does not have a Sharingan and he can't disturb his own Ki by the moment Tsukuyomi is not a mere genjutsu but it traps the target within an illusion, completely under the user's control. So Goku ends up in coma.

Debate is over. @getout