Game of Thrones - Popularity Tournament!!

It's not like Robert helped him win his battles so Robert being alive or dead is totally irrelevant

D&D totally left out the most important parts of his character imo. For example, he doesn't feel like the world owes him anything, he feel like he owes the world. And he's not even a villain. He's not even portrayed like that in the books. Yet, an obvious villain like Tywin is portrayed in such a flattering light on the show lol

@buttersdaman000: Robert being alive was definitely better for Stannis. Him being a powerful lord in service of his kingly brother definitely appears to have helped him psychologically. Being "King Stannis" was too much for him and he crumbled. How else would you explain such great accomplishments under Robert and then such a disastrous career after he crowned himself?

Also, in the books I read Stannis as an entitled brat. I think the show was pretty right on with his personality.

How exactly did he crumble? And when was he really "King" Stannis? Unlike Robert, he didn't have half of Westoros backing him up. His younger brother, the starks, the lannisters, and the greyjoys all opposed his rightful rule. He had a lot more to contend with than Robert ever did. That's how I explain his hard time winning the crown. You think "rush into battle" Robert Baratehon would fair any better? There's actually more evidence to say Robert would've lost the crown if Stannis hadn't been such a badass.

Even so though, he was doing totally fine until he was blindsided at Blackwater. He would have won that war, even with the wildfire attack if Tywin had' shown up. And if the Stark had remained loyal the war would've been won quicker. And even with all he has to deal with, in the books he still hasn't crumbled. GRRm has made a point of reminding us the man will "break, before he bends", so Stannis certainly is crumbling unless it comes after the break.

Entitled brat? That was Renly. Stannis doesn't even want the crown. At most you can say he has a hero complex, but justice and law is what drives him, not entitlement.

@buttersdaman000: I don't really buy the "he doesn't want to be king" argument from Stannis because it ignores how petty he really is. He may not be a usurper, but he does want to be king. One of the reasons the Red Witch has such a powerful hold over him is because he does feel like he deserves greatness, mainly as compensation for the slights he has received from both his brothers in the past and recently. Losing Storm's End was a strong insult to his pride and discovering that he is the champion of the R'hollr faith makes him feel appreciated in a way that he could not have been while his brothers were alive (Robert was known the better commander, Renly was more loved and much more popular). Part of why I love Stannis is his character flaw, most people can sympathize with someone who takes no shortcuts in earning respect but still feels invisible and unrecognized for their deeds. Regardless of his intentions, Stannis is an awesome character who the show failed miserably.

He's said it multiple times in the books though and I don't see how you can say he's petty. True, he is under Melisandres spell partly due to his own desire for greatness but I already admitted he has a hero complex, and rightly so, honestly.

Yeah, agreed, the show totally failed him. I had my suspicions season 5 would be the sake in his (show) character even since D&D failed to include the simple little chant at the end of season 4.

Kingslayer baby...

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Jaime wins!

Next:

Tyrion Lannister (1) v Barristan Selmy (8)

The Imp. 1-0

... man, we're really going for the hard choices now, huh?

I'm giving this to Tyrion.

Tyrion

I will give to Barristan this time >_>

Imp

Tyrion

ahhhhhh poor Selmy, I got to vote Tyrion

Tyrion....

This. Whenever popularity with fans is concerned, the Imp conquers all.

@eyedcyou: No Littlefinger in this comp?

@eyedcyou: Tyrion no doubt.

@dngn4774: he was in the last round, i'm pretty sure he won

@buttersdaman000: I already noted his failures in a previous post, that is how is crumbled. Yes he didn't have the army that Robert did, but he also wasn't fighting against the army that Robert fought and he didn't have near the success. He only truly was at war with the crown as the Lannister army was at war with the Starks and Tullys, he created his enemies through murder and short sighted tricks.

I would LOVE for you to attempt to convince me that Robert would have lost the throne if not for Stannis. Please please please do.

It was his own fault that he was blindsided at the Blackwater, anyone could see that they were sailing into s trap Davos surely did and if he had scouted like any competent commander would, he would have noticed the massive army coming to destroy him. Not to mention the fact that he created that massive army to begin with. The Starks were fighting the Lannisters, a common enemy to Stannis, to say that he would have won the war quicker if they had bent the knee is simply incorrect. How is it hurting Stannis to fight and defeat his enemies? How would it have helped Stannis win if they bent the knee to him?

I read Renly as more for a cocky A-Hole than anything else. I didn't really see him as entitled so much as an opportunist. He saw his opportunity to be king and he was going to take it. Renly had the biggest army and rich friends and he was going to use those to take the crown, that's not entitlement, he was going to take it by force.

If Stannis had half a brain, he would have let Renly take the thrown and THEN had Mel release the shadow baby which would place him on the throne.

Tyrion

@eyedcyou: Jaime Lannister

Tyrion.

Tyrion.

Tyrion

Tryion...this is not even a contest

Lannister

Tyrion

Dinkles

Jeez! Sorry Bar.

Tyrion Targaryen ftw

Tyrion Lannister

the imp

Tyrion!

Tyrion.

Tyrion Lannister

Tyrion (I still love you selmy!)

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Tyrion wrecks.

Next:

Petyr "Little Finger" Baelish (2) v Theon Greyjoy (7)

Big toe. 1-0

Theon Greyjoy

Baelish

Pimp baelish

Baelish. Pete's a beast!

Littlefinger

Baelish

Little Finger

Baelish

Petyr.

Lord Petyr Baelish ftw!