#1 Edited by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

I was reding the new Venom series when something realy surprised me. I was watching a review of the "Circle of Four" mini-event when Ghost Rider suddenly has chainged sex. Yeah just like that. Now what should this mean!!? What happened to Johny Blaze and how long has "he" become "she"?

I'm listening carefully.

#2 Edited by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6157 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by tim2081 (519 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny Blaze gave up being Ghost Rider, and the spirit was bonded to a woman.

#4 Posted by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

There's been more than one Ghost Rider, and I know at least one was a woman.

Edited:

I think this is who you mean.

I know that but I thought that only one could be GR at the moment. Thanks anyway...

Edit:

@tim2081 said:

Johnny Blaze gave up being Ghost Rider, and the spirit was bonded to a woman.

O_O. I get it.

#5 Edited by GraniteSoldier (7064 posts) - - Show Bio

In all fairness she is a terrible Ghost Rider. I found her to be the least enjoyable character in Circle of Four.

#6 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Ghost Rider Vol 7. It was written by Rob Williams, and explains why Johnny gave up the spirit and who the Female Rider is. The idea of a female rider was nice, but the book was not great.

#7 Posted by Gambit474 (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

Alejandra's her name..Quite the sad story as to how she became GR. Blaze had finally come to terms with being ghost rider at the end of motorstorm..which was a funny issue because it had Spider-man riding Ghost Rider's bike

Spidey bike riding

Anyways the new series for GR started up like a year/year and a half ago and Rob Williams takes over..He had Blaze whining again and wanting to get rid of the GR curse even though he came to terms with it,as said,in Motorstorm thus contradicting the issue. This dude named Adam(which I guess was from Adam and Eve)makes a deal with Johnny to get rid of the curse so he does and it passes on to Alejandra. To say she is one of the worst ghost riders ever would be an understatement..Williams had some wtf moments going on like when Adam had her create that giant ghost rider bike

giant hellcycle

The writing in it was terrible..Williams had Blaze seem like his character was annoying to other characters and had him making jokes like he was deadpool or something. Definitely out of character for Blaze and like the complete opposite of the Blaze that Jason Aaron gave us. Ghost Rider is just one of those heroes who imo should just always be male..It just doesn't look right as a female,because I mean a flaming skeleton with boobs? eh. The only good part was Blaze taking back the curse at the end. Here's what Alejandra looks like now lol

Alejandra profile

As for only one ghost rider..aaron's run kind of changed that. Alejandra was host to Zarathos which is why it might seem confusing for one who doesn't keep up with the story..She was host to Blaze's spirit,but in Aaron's story they had Blaze and Ketch both as GR because they had Zarathos and Kale bonded to them again(although their spirits were never mentioned it's common sense for one to assume). I can't remember if he went into detail about it or not but you could check out Cadence's thread on GR

#8 Edited by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

In all fairness she is a terrible Ghost Rider. I found her to be the least enjoyable character in Circle of Four.

Read through "Circle of Four". Agree with you in every single aspect.

"What did you say!?"

#9 Edited by Wolfrazer (6124 posts) - - Show Bio

Does there have to be an opposite gender, to EVERY character? << I mean jeez.....ya, ya I know money but come on...

#10 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@granitesoldier said:

In all fairness she is a terrible Ghost Rider. I found her to be the least enjoyable character in Circle of Four.

Read through "Circle of Four". Agree with you in every single aspect.

"What did you say!?"

Oh god, that art is terrible......

#11 Edited by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

Does there have to be an opposite gender, to EVERY character? << I mean jeez.....ya, ya I know money but come on...

Batman -> Batwoman

Black Panther -> Black Panther

Ghost Rider -> Ghost Rider

Superman -> Superwoman

Spider-man -> Spider-woman

...looks like that...

#12 Posted by The_PAIN (720 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberwarrior:

IIRC, there is a WHAT IF story line where Danny Ketch sister, Barbara (The one meant to be GR) was not killed by Deathwatch and become Ghost Rider.

@cadencev2 could you confirm....

#13 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, the idea was nice, but horribly executed, which is a damn shame.

#14 Posted by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberwarrior said:
@granitesoldier said:

In all fairness she is a terrible Ghost Rider. I found her to be the least enjoyable character in Circle of Four.

Read through "Circle of Four". Agree with you in every single aspect.

"What did you say!?"

Oh god, that art is terrible......

I think my face looked the same when I opened this page...

#15 Posted by MyNameWasDeleted (679 posts) - - Show Bio

So, what's wrong with you guys- no "She's a hot date" jokes- sheesh

#16 Posted by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, the idea was nice, but horribly executed, which is a damn shame.

Your right. The art was the main thing that ruined it: in one issue she looks like this meanwhile in the others...

#17 Edited by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_pain said:

@cyberwarrior:

IIRC, there is a WHAT IF story line where Danny Ketch sister, Barbara (The one meant to be GR) was not killed by Deathwatch and become Ghost Rider.

@cadencev2 could you confirm....

Yes this is true.

http://www.comicvine.com/what-if-45-what-if-barbara-ketch-had-become-ghost-/4000-36770/

I wanted to add that Barbara was never killed by Deathwatch in the original story, she was hit by an arrow/crossbow bolt by one of Deathwatch's goons and ended up in a coma. Only after Blackout learned of Danny's identity did she meet a painful end as Blackout ripped her throat out and killed her.

#18 Edited by SoA (4709 posts) - - Show Bio

i liked alejandra ...

#19 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (5939 posts) - - Show Bio

Why not? There was a female Venom, why not a female Ghost Rider?

#20 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_pain said:

@cyberwarrior:

IIRC, there is a WHAT IF story line where Danny Ketch sister, Barbara (The one meant to be GR) was not killed by Deathwatch and become Ghost Rider.

@cadencev2 could you confirm....

Never read What Ifs. So no info there from me.

#21 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberwarrior: Like, I'm still up for the idea.

A female bad-ass biker antihero who doesn't rely on looks, like a Ghost Rider? That would be amazing. I'd love to see Marvel revist the idea.

#22 Edited by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

So, what's wrong with you guys- no "She's a hot date" jokes- sheesh

Come on! An ape is a "hoter date"!

#23 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (4696 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice. I hope they put it out. But I hope they draw her well. The picture in my mind right now is just Cage with boobs. lol

#24 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by Gambit474 (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

Why not? There was a female Venom, why not a female Ghost Rider?

Because GR is just a character that should never be female..It just looks..wrong. Cover art before some ever saw Alejandra implied that the female GR would've had hair which looked incredibly stupid. A flaming skull with hair..yeah

No sideburn.."bad ass biker anti-hero" has already been taken by Blaze,which is why it was even more pointless to create Alejandra. I didn't mind the one female GR in Jason Aaron's series in the battle between the last riders against Ketch and Zadkiel's angels but she was a lesser character..Imo Blaze and Ketch will always be the best lead GRs.

#26 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (5939 posts) - - Show Bio

Here would be my candidates for a female ghost rider (From DC)


Poison Ivy...HELL yes! If we ever get a Ghost Rider/DC crossover, make this happen along with Rorschach as a Ghost Rider

Huntress

Catwoman

Black Canary

Raven

#27 Edited by Gambit474 (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

/facepalm

#28 Edited by CyberWarrior (1465 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideyivydaredevilfan26 said:

Why not? There was a female Venom, why not a female Ghost Rider?

Because GR is just a character that should never be female..It just looks..wrong. Cover art before some ever saw Alejandra implied that the female GR would've had hair which looked incredibly stupid. A flaming skull with hair..yeah

No sideburn.."bad ass biker anti-hero" has already been taken by Blaze,which is why it was even more pointless to create Alejandra. I didn't mind the one female GR in Jason Aaron's series in the battle between the last riders against Ketch and Zadkiel's angels but she was a lesser character..Imo Blaze and Ketch will always be the best lead GRs.

Sometimes female opposite-gender characters may do well, but certainly not in this case.

...And yeah, that hair does look stupid.