Why can alot of marvel and dc fans not appreciate and respect DBZ,i mean lately and looking in the past threads plus speaking to people most of the flames start from the comic side not the magna side i like all 3 in differant ways and feel their all very good however i think the childish oh my hero better than yr hero or goku is weak is pathetic shouldnt people respect other peoples views and if you dontl ike them dont have to comment on them
Fed up of the DBZ hating
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@fallschirmjager: i agree but its no worse than batman,silver age supes, thor wanking
@fallschirmjager: i agree but its no worse than batman,silver age supes, thor wanking
you put it that way and it sounds like comic vine is just a big circle jerk lol.
Because, it makes fan-boys feel better. I accept certain facts, whether I like them or not. General Zod would beat Goku, I can't see Goku winning that fight. I'd probably want Goku to win, but he wouldn't. Vegeta would probably beat Superman. Superman isn't vicious and there is a high likely hood that Vegeta will go all out on Superman before Superman could understand the capacity of Vegeta's power and stop holding back. Hate it or not, some things are a certain way, sometimes people would rather make things up than accept the facts.
@generator2000: How could Zod beat Goku, but Superman can't beat Vegeta? Since DBZ characters are extremely powerful I would see them beating Supes and Zod, but it hardly matters, I just stay away from these kinds of debates.
Most Marvel and DC fans are critical and harbor hatred for a lot of characters from Marvel and DC heh heh. Some X-Men fan hate Avengers. Some Superman fans hate Batman. Basically… its not a Marvel or DC VS Dragon Ball Z thing as much as its a human thing heh heh.
Personally I like everything generally. Especially DBZ. I think people talk to much about who beats who as if its fandom. When a large reason you like a character is how good they are in Battles, well then your less a fan of the character and more a fan of yourself and your belief about a character that you hold. Its the my dad can beat your dad mentality, as in the key word is the "my" part. This incidentally is why a lot of people can resent characters because its not so much about the character but the person.
@ccraft: Because, Zod and Vegeta are more brutal than their opponents. They will go all out quicker and hold nothing back. If Goku started out as Super Saiyan 3 or 4, then the fight might be a bit different, but honestly, if he was anything lower, he'd lose. Goku could beat Zod in theory, but what is the likely hood of Goku going all out on Zod at first? Goku gets too testy and plays around too much.
Superman holds back too much power and he isn't murderous or especially vicious. If Superman knew who Vegeta was and was especially murderous, the fight might be different, but Superman has a history of not using his full power and or holding back. Even if Superman wasn't holding back, Vegeta would be difficult and Superman might not necessarily win.
Honesty is best decision maker.
Hate to break it to you, but people don't always have the same opinions. And this:
Probably because they're fed up of all the DBZ wanking.
I'm actually not fed up with the fanbase I'm fed up with DBZ Kai I want that thing off the air and erased from everyones memory.
Most Marvel and DC fans are critical and harbor hatred for a lot of characters from Marvel and DC heh heh. Some X-Men fan hate Avengers. Some Superman fans hate Batman. Basically… its not a Marvel or DC VS Dragon Ball Z thing as much as its a human thing heh heh.
It's true comic fans, just love to hate. They rant and rave about all the reboots, yet come new comic book day they want to know where the latest issue of Thor is.
I don't hate DBZ because I'm a comic fan (truth be told I read manga much more often then comics these days) I hate it because the anime/manga is nowhere as good as some claim and is vastly overrated.
Plus:
Probably because they're fed up of all the DBZ wanking.
This.
On top of that, I commented on my dislike for DBZ on Comicvine and I've been insulted multiple times in the past, to being called a "stupid wannabe Drake baller" or being told to "drop dead"
@generator2000: I think it's just best to not debate DBZ vs DC characters.
@fallschirmjager: i agree but its no worse than batman,silver age supes, thor wanking
And batman wanking gets shut down just as hard, SA is basically just the whole PIS routine, and ... yeah, can't excuse thor, but yeah, most fan wanking gets shut down.
@ccraft: OOPS!
I find it's not so much that DC and Marvel fans universally hate DBZ. They hate the debating style DBZ fans use to put their characters on Galactus levels of power when they consistently fail to destroy the planet they fight on. The repetition doesn't help. One guy comes in to say Goku beats Superman and causes this massive debate. Then once that finally dies another comes to make the same debate with the same flawed logic. Then another. Then another.
You'll notice that Superman fans rarely make Superman vs Goku threads because to them Goku isn't important. DBZ fans however seem obsessed with the idea of Goku beating Superman, as if it will somehow validate Goku as a superior defender of the Earth. After enough people show up to make the exact same arguments for the same fight for the same reason it just gets tiresome. No one ever comes up with unique DBZ vs threads, they just stick to the big named comic characters to prove DBZ superiority.
@loplopool: Probably because many DBZ fans act like semi-literate children on forums.
@squares: That's a fairly unneeded generalization.
Well this is the internet where respecting peoples views is nonexistent, especially if that person tries to express their opinion in such a way you can't help but say or think "d@%^ they're stupid. That doesn't even make sense". It also doesn't help that majority, not all but majority, of DBZ fans logic is nothing more than "Goku/Vegeta/other character beat such and such character and everybody was saying they can blow up the universe but they've never actually done it but since it was said and not shown it must be true so that means Goku/Vegeta/other character can blow up the universe as well because they beat them"
@metaljimmor: you gave the best answer
@wolverine08: Yeah, you're right.
Eh it's just preference, dbz is cool but the battle threads get out of hand superman is too strong so idk why they pair them up just because goku is a badass doesn't mean he will win though superman would be impressed they would mre likely spar together than actualy fight
I tend to avoid threads that deal with topics I know nothing about, (right now it seems Im avoiding Guardians of the Galaxy for ignorance of the material alot for instance) so when I saw the title had DBZ in it.. I didn't read it. until after 10 months of reading comic vine when I just gave in (since every two hours theres a new DBZ thread, and every day there are three locked DBZ threads.)
I have always been an anime and Manga fan (well since 1991) and only last year got into comics. but I had always avoided DragonBall and DragonBallZ since it was the only anime/manga that I never knew a girl to enjoy (and I am female). didn't even know who Goku was until last week when I I got fed up of seeing SOO many Goku threads I decided to look it up and found out he was related to DB and DBZ. watched the first season and HATED IT. but not necessarily the fans.
so I found the first Goku Thread I saw on CV and posted my new found knowledge. that thread as well as at least two other DBZ threads were locked today because of flaming. one I saw was a Comic reader instigating it. but the one I posted on had a DBZ fan make a snarky insult, followed quickly by AN EVEN WORSE rebuttal by a Marvel fan, going back and forth with one DBZ fan in a flame war with at least 4 comic fans, every post (by either side) being even worse than the last, they were all to blame for this in my opinion. but the worse was when we had two religions three countries two cultures, and 5 people all being insulted blatantly and directly and that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
maybe the flames on both sides start because both sides are fed up with how they get treated by the other. or maybe both sides are fed up with the fact that this won't stop...everyday....do we really need to lock these threads EVERYDAY??....thats unfortunate. I don't think its necessarily those two fandems, maybe all because there is other hate floating around CV, just that one seems to be a focal point (or seemingly since I only see them locked, and have only read two threads dealing with this issue)
on a side note, I have banned my husband from posting on this thread, I put him in doghouse for comments he made on another thread and I don't want him tempted to do the same here.
I tend to avoid threads that deal with topics I know nothing about, (right now it seems Im avoiding Guardians of the Galaxy for ignorance of the material alot for instance) so when I saw the title had DBZ in it.. I didn't read it. until after 10 months of reading comic vine when I just gave in (since every two hours theres a new DBZ thread, and every day there are three locked DBZ threads.)
I have always been an anime and Manga fan (well since 1991) and only last year got into comics. but I had always avoided DragonBall and DragonBallZ since it was the only anime/manga that I never knew a girl to enjoy (and I am female). didn't even know who Goku was until last week when I I got fed up of seeing SOO many Goku threads I decided to look it up and found out he was related to DB and DBZ. watched the first season and HATED IT. but not necessarily the fans.
so I found the first Goku Thread I saw on CV and posted my new found knowledge. that thread as well as at least two other DBZ threads were locked today because of flaming. one I saw was a Comic reader instigating it. but the one I posted on had a DBZ fan make a snarky insult, followed quickly by AN EVEN WORSE rebuttal by a Marvel fan, going back and forth with one DBZ fan in a flame war with at least 4 comic fans, every post (by either side) being even worse than the last, they were all to blame for this in my opinion. but the worse was when we had two religions three countries two cultures, and 5 people all being insulted blatantly and directly and that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
maybe the flames on both sides start because both sides are fed up with how they get treated by the other. or maybe both sides are fed up with the fact that this won't stop...everyday....do we really need to lock these threads EVERYDAY??....thats unfortunate. I don't think its necessarily those two fandems, maybe all because there is other hate floating around CV, just that one seems to be a focal point
on a side note, I have banned my husband from posting on this thread, I put him in doghouse for comments he made on another thread and I don't want him tempted to do the same here.
You put your husband in a doghouse over some comments in a debate forum? Well aren't you lovely.
I only hate how people STILL don't get that DBZ vs comic characters are banned on this site and that there is a reason for it.
Plus Comicvine happens to be a site dedicated to American/Western comicbooks, Anime have other sites dedicated to them specifically.
I'm tired of everything involving DBZ.
pretty much this...
Okay, I like this ONE GIF that I use when I'm annoyed with someone
I'm tired of everything involving DBZ.
don't get me wrong, I have never put him in the doghouse before.... (except when I found out he spent over 200 dollars on comics the first month we both started reading comics. I forgave him quickly though)
I found his comment to be in extremely poor taste, and although he can hulk out on forums fairly often and I don't care. He does not resort to straight insults like this it invalidates his argument, and its not something I had ever known his to do. ribbing, in fun, is just fine. but in retort or hate, thats not the man I married.
Its too easy to hate on DBZ. Most debates end up with someone power scaling and retarded calcs. To me, if it didn't happen on screen/panel its irrelevant. I don't care about multipliers, hyperbole, nlf. If it wasn't literally shown, its void. Imo.
Its too easy to hate on DBZ. Most debates end up with someone power scaling and retarded calcs. To me, if it didn't happen on screen/panel its irrelevant. I don't care about multipliers, hyperbole, nlf. If it wasn't literally shown, its void. Imo.
I have to agree...clacs and scales used to make sense to me before I got into comics, but now, it's just spam to me.
OH DBZ isn't the only set of characters that should be considered for Banning. There are some others that cause flame wars; Zoom & Flash are at the top of the list in my mind. Whenever they battle high tier characters the debates always go south.
DBZ fans usually just want the characters to be stronger than they are. No one in DBZ can bust a galaxy or solar system. I've never seen them do it, so they can't.
(Sighs)As a DC guy I could care less about DBZ.It don't interest me.I don't care if any DBZ character can beat any DC or Marvel brick.I don't care and its getting old.
But is it really important??Do DBZ have to be on Comic Vine??Why the love??
Dragon Ball is better, DBZ had it's moments.
This!
@ccraft: I might be able to prove goku stomps zod
Ok, I'll be stupid and ask What is DBZ?
Dragon Ball Z.
One thing I never understood was why Goku vs Superman not Gohan he's stronger. The problem was the writer left us with calculus style numbers and utter BS: Bologna Sugar. Comics ( as repetitive and in a sense dumb ) as it is does give us the numbers accordingly and not just say Superman can lift a planet then say oh well that was 2 years ago so the photosynthesis gives him a .934 % strength increase but since he fought DarkLuthenestroomsday he gets a slight strength boost every time and so on. No it's specific and orderly.( insert racist comment about japan again having more complicated math than America)
Why can alot of marvel and dc fans not appreciate and respect DBZ,i mean lately and looking in the past threads plus speaking to people most of the flames start from the comic side not the magna side i like all 3 in differant ways and feel their all very good however i think the childish oh my hero better than yr hero or goku is weak is pathetic shouldnt people respect other peoples views and if you dontl ike them dont have to comment on them
Nah. Plenty of users here love DBZ.
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