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#1 Posted by loplopool (539 posts) - - Show Bio

Why can alot of marvel and dc fans not appreciate and respect DBZ,i mean lately and looking in the past threads plus speaking to people most of the flames start from the comic side not the magna side i like all 3 in differant ways and feel their all very good however i think the childish oh my hero better than yr hero or goku is weak is pathetic shouldnt people respect other peoples views and if you dontl ike them dont have to comment on them

#2 Edited by Fallschirmjager (19571 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably because they're fed up of all the DBZ wanking.

#3 Edited by ccraft (9592 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragon Ball is better, DBZ had it's moments.

#4 Posted by kyrees (7550 posts) - - Show Bio

this is the internet where we contend with each other's view. one say dbz sucks, others go ballistic. one say comics suck, others go ballistic.

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#5 Posted by loplopool (539 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: i agree but its no worse than batman,silver age supes, thor wanking

#6 Edited by ccraft (9592 posts) - - Show Bio

@loplopool said:

@fallschirmjager: i agree but its no worse than batman,silver age supes, thor wanking

you put it that way and it sounds like comic vine is just a big circle jerk lol.

#7 Posted by generator2000 (1370 posts) - - Show Bio

Because, it makes fan-boys feel better. I accept certain facts, whether I like them or not. General Zod would beat Goku, I can't see Goku winning that fight. I'd probably want Goku to win, but he wouldn't. Vegeta would probably beat Superman. Superman isn't vicious and there is a high likely hood that Vegeta will go all out on Superman before Superman could understand the capacity of Vegeta's power and stop holding back. Hate it or not, some things are a certain way, sometimes people would rather make things up than accept the facts.

#8 Posted by ccraft (9592 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000: How could Zod beat Goku, but Superman can't beat Vegeta? Since DBZ characters are extremely powerful I would see them beating Supes and Zod, but it hardly matters, I just stay away from these kinds of debates.

#9 Edited by Experio (18205 posts) - - Show Bio

Its wrong to overrate guys like Vegeta so they can win, but its also wrong to hate on DBZ characters because of their fan-base.

#10 Edited by JetiiMitra (9159 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm more fed up with DBZ fans playing the victim. I stayed religiously clean of DBZ threads but I have read through them, and DBZ fans are nowhere near the saints they make themselves out to be. And no, not everybody has to respect and appreciate DBZ.

Anyway I'm pretty sure this is a dupe.

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#11 Posted by SC (14415 posts) - - Show Bio

Most Marvel and DC fans are critical and harbor hatred for a lot of characters from Marvel and DC heh heh. Some X-Men fan hate Avengers. Some Superman fans hate Batman. Basically… its not a Marvel or DC VS Dragon Ball Z thing as much as its a human thing heh heh.

Personally I like everything generally. Especially DBZ. I think people talk to much about who beats who as if its fandom. When a large reason you like a character is how good they are in Battles, well then your less a fan of the character and more a fan of yourself and your belief about a character that you hold. Its the my dad can beat your dad mentality, as in the key word is the "my" part. This incidentally is why a lot of people can resent characters because its not so much about the character but the person.

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#12 Posted by generator2000 (1370 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft: Because, Zod and Vegeta are more brutal than their opponents. They will go all out quicker and hold nothing back. If Goku started out as Super Saiyan 3 or 4, then the fight might be a bit different, but honestly, if he was anything lower, he'd lose. Goku could beat Zod in theory, but what is the likely hood of Goku going all out on Zod at first? Goku gets too testy and plays around too much.

Superman holds back too much power and he isn't murderous or especially vicious. If Superman knew who Vegeta was and was especially murderous, the fight might be different, but Superman has a history of not using his full power and or holding back. Even if Superman wasn't holding back, Vegeta would be difficult and Superman might not necessarily win.

Honesty is best decision maker.

#13 Edited by tomlikesfries (5294 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate to break it to you, but people don't always have the same opinions. And this:

@fallschirmjager said:

Probably because they're fed up of all the DBZ wanking.

#14 Posted by HumanRocket (10571 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm actually not fed up with the fanbase I'm fed up with DBZ Kai I want that thing off the air and erased from everyones memory.

#15 Posted by Delphic (1664 posts) - - Show Bio

@sc said:

Most Marvel and DC fans are critical and harbor hatred for a lot of characters from Marvel and DC heh heh. Some X-Men fan hate Avengers. Some Superman fans hate Batman. Basically… its not a Marvel or DC VS Dragon Ball Z thing as much as its a human thing heh heh.

It's true comic fans, just love to hate. They rant and rave about all the reboots, yet come new comic book day they want to know where the latest issue of Thor is.

#16 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (29547 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't hate DBZ because I'm a comic fan (truth be told I read manga much more often then comics these days) I hate it because the anime/manga is nowhere as good as some claim and is vastly overrated.

Plus:

@fallschirmjager said:

Probably because they're fed up of all the DBZ wanking.

This.

On top of that, I commented on my dislike for DBZ on Comicvine and I've been insulted multiple times in the past, to being called a "stupid wannabe Drake baller" or being told to "drop dead"

#17 Posted by ccraft (9592 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000: I think it's just best to not debate DBZ vs DC characters.

#18 Posted by Dratini1331 (7054 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: i agree but its no worse than batman,silver age supes, thor wanking

And batman wanking gets shut down just as hard, SA is basically just the whole PIS routine, and ... yeah, can't excuse thor, but yeah, most fan wanking gets shut down.

#19 Posted by reaverlation (18230 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe Goku can give Superman a helluva fight with a chance of winning too

#20 Posted by generator2000 (1370 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Edited by MetalJimmor (2112 posts) - - Show Bio

I find it's not so much that DC and Marvel fans universally hate DBZ. They hate the debating style DBZ fans use to put their characters on Galactus levels of power when they consistently fail to destroy the planet they fight on. The repetition doesn't help. One guy comes in to say Goku beats Superman and causes this massive debate. Then once that finally dies another comes to make the same debate with the same flawed logic. Then another. Then another.

You'll notice that Superman fans rarely make Superman vs Goku threads because to them Goku isn't important. DBZ fans however seem obsessed with the idea of Goku beating Superman, as if it will somehow validate Goku as a superior defender of the Earth. After enough people show up to make the exact same arguments for the same fight for the same reason it just gets tiresome. No one ever comes up with unique DBZ vs threads, they just stick to the big named comic characters to prove DBZ superiority.

#22 Posted by Squares (8661 posts) - - Show Bio

@loplopool: Probably because many DBZ fans act like semi-literate children on forums.

#23 Posted by Wolverine08 (47674 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: That's a fairly unneeded generalization.

#24 Edited by frozenedge (1429 posts) - - Show Bio

Well this is the internet where respecting peoples views is nonexistent, especially if that person tries to express their opinion in such a way you can't help but say or think "d@%^ they're stupid. That doesn't even make sense". It also doesn't help that majority, not all but majority, of DBZ fans logic is nothing more than "Goku/Vegeta/other character beat such and such character and everybody was saying they can blow up the universe but they've never actually done it but since it was said and not shown it must be true so that means Goku/Vegeta/other character can blow up the universe as well because they beat them"

#25 Edited by loplopool (539 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by Squares (8661 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (179 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh it's just preference, dbz is cool but the battle threads get out of hand superman is too strong so idk why they pair them up just because goku is a badass doesn't mean he will win though superman would be impressed they would mre likely spar together than actualy fight

#29 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (14064 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm tired of everything involving DBZ.

#30 Edited by Farkam (5590 posts) - - Show Bio

Cry more deeply next time. 1/10 thread.

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#31 Edited by Husk (462 posts) - - Show Bio

I tend to avoid threads that deal with topics I know nothing about, (right now it seems Im avoiding Guardians of the Galaxy for ignorance of the material alot for instance) so when I saw the title had DBZ in it.. I didn't read it. until after 10 months of reading comic vine when I just gave in (since every two hours theres a new DBZ thread, and every day there are three locked DBZ threads.)

I have always been an anime and Manga fan (well since 1991) and only last year got into comics. but I had always avoided DragonBall and DragonBallZ since it was the only anime/manga that I never knew a girl to enjoy (and I am female). didn't even know who Goku was until last week when I I got fed up of seeing SOO many Goku threads I decided to look it up and found out he was related to DB and DBZ. watched the first season and HATED IT. but not necessarily the fans.

so I found the first Goku Thread I saw on CV and posted my new found knowledge. that thread as well as at least two other DBZ threads were locked today because of flaming. one I saw was a Comic reader instigating it. but the one I posted on had a DBZ fan make a snarky insult, followed quickly by AN EVEN WORSE rebuttal by a Marvel fan, going back and forth with one DBZ fan in a flame war with at least 4 comic fans, every post (by either side) being even worse than the last, they were all to blame for this in my opinion. but the worse was when we had two religions three countries two cultures, and 5 people all being insulted blatantly and directly and that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.

maybe the flames on both sides start because both sides are fed up with how they get treated by the other. or maybe both sides are fed up with the fact that this won't stop...everyday....do we really need to lock these threads EVERYDAY??....thats unfortunate. I don't think its necessarily those two fandems, maybe all because there is other hate floating around CV, just that one seems to be a focal point (or seemingly since I only see them locked, and have only read two threads dealing with this issue)

on a side note, I have banned my husband from posting on this thread, I put him in doghouse for comments he made on another thread and I don't want him tempted to do the same here.

#32 Edited by Farkam (5590 posts) - - Show Bio

@husk said:

I tend to avoid threads that deal with topics I know nothing about, (right now it seems Im avoiding Guardians of the Galaxy for ignorance of the material alot for instance) so when I saw the title had DBZ in it.. I didn't read it. until after 10 months of reading comic vine when I just gave in (since every two hours theres a new DBZ thread, and every day there are three locked DBZ threads.)

I have always been an anime and Manga fan (well since 1991) and only last year got into comics. but I had always avoided DragonBall and DragonBallZ since it was the only anime/manga that I never knew a girl to enjoy (and I am female). didn't even know who Goku was until last week when I I got fed up of seeing SOO many Goku threads I decided to look it up and found out he was related to DB and DBZ. watched the first season and HATED IT. but not necessarily the fans.

so I found the first Goku Thread I saw on CV and posted my new found knowledge. that thread as well as at least two other DBZ threads were locked today because of flaming. one I saw was a Comic reader instigating it. but the one I posted on had a DBZ fan make a snarky insult, followed quickly by AN EVEN WORSE rebuttal by a Marvel fan, going back and forth with one DBZ fan in a flame war with at least 4 comic fans, every post (by either side) being even worse than the last, they were all to blame for this in my opinion. but the worse was when we had two religions three countries two cultures, and 5 people all being insulted blatantly and directly and that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.

maybe the flames on both sides start because both sides are fed up with how they get treated by the other. or maybe both sides are fed up with the fact that this won't stop...everyday....do we really need to lock these threads EVERYDAY??....thats unfortunate. I don't think its necessarily those two fandems, maybe all because there is other hate floating around CV, just that one seems to be a focal point

on a side note, I have banned my husband from posting on this thread, I put him in doghouse for comments he made on another thread and I don't want him tempted to do the same here.

You put your husband in a doghouse over some comments in a debate forum? Well aren't you lovely.

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#33 Posted by Outside_85 (11353 posts) - - Show Bio

I only hate how people STILL don't get that DBZ vs comic characters are banned on this site and that there is a reason for it.

Plus Comicvine happens to be a site dedicated to American/Western comicbooks, Anime have other sites dedicated to them specifically.

#34 Posted by The Stegman (28112 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm tired of everything involving DBZ.

pretty much this...

Okay, I like this ONE GIF that I use when I'm annoyed with someone

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#35 Posted by Chibi_cute (4841 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Posted by Husk (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam:

don't get me wrong, I have never put him in the doghouse before.... (except when I found out he spent over 200 dollars on comics the first month we both started reading comics. I forgave him quickly though)

I found his comment to be in extremely poor taste, and although he can hulk out on forums fairly often and I don't care. He does not resort to straight insults like this it invalidates his argument, and its not something I had ever known his to do. ribbing, in fun, is just fine. but in retort or hate, thats not the man I married.

#38 Posted by Orician_Seis (532 posts) - - Show Bio

Its too easy to hate on DBZ. Most debates end up with someone power scaling and retarded calcs. To me, if it didn't happen on screen/panel its irrelevant. I don't care about multipliers, hyperbole, nlf. If it wasn't literally shown, its void. Imo.

#39 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (12644 posts) - - Show Bio

Its too easy to hate on DBZ. Most debates end up with someone power scaling and retarded calcs. To me, if it didn't happen on screen/panel its irrelevant. I don't care about multipliers, hyperbole, nlf. If it wasn't literally shown, its void. Imo.

I have to agree...clacs and scales used to make sense to me before I got into comics, but now, it's just spam to me.

#40 Posted by lukehero (17542 posts) - - Show Bio

OH DBZ isn't the only set of characters that should be considered for Banning. There are some others that cause flame wars; Zoom & Flash are at the top of the list in my mind. Whenever they battle high tier characters the debates always go south.

#41 Posted by Orician_Seis (532 posts) - - Show Bio

DBZ fans usually just want the characters to be stronger than they are. No one in DBZ can bust a galaxy or solar system. I've never seen them do it, so they can't.

#42 Posted by KingAres109 (1623 posts) - - Show Bio

(Sighs)As a DC guy I could care less about DBZ.It don't interest me.I don't care if any DBZ character can beat any DC or Marvel brick.I don't care and its getting old.

But is it really important??Do DBZ have to be on Comic Vine??Why the love??

#43 Posted by WarlordEternal (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft said:

Dragon Ball is better, DBZ had it's moments.

This!

#44 Posted by Superlightning123 (1913 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft: I might be able to prove goku stomps zod

#45 Posted by Catsnlynne (1162 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, I'll be stupid and ask What is DBZ?

#46 Edited by judasnixon (8045 posts) - - Show Bio

If you came here for some DBZ love, you came to the wrong place........

#47 Posted by dagmar_merrill (11968 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, I'll be stupid and ask What is DBZ?

Dragon Ball Z.

#48 Edited by AnyWhichWayButUp (850 posts) - - Show Bio

One thing I never understood was why Goku vs Superman not Gohan he's stronger. The problem was the writer left us with calculus style numbers and utter BS: Bologna Sugar. Comics ( as repetitive and in a sense dumb ) as it is does give us the numbers accordingly and not just say Superman can lift a planet then say oh well that was 2 years ago so the photosynthesis gives him a .934 % strength increase but since he fought DarkLuthenestroomsday he gets a slight strength boost every time and so on. No it's specific and orderly.( insert racist comment about japan again having more complicated math than America)

#49 Edited by Erik (32506 posts) - - Show Bio

Why can alot of marvel and dc fans not appreciate and respect DBZ,i mean lately and looking in the past threads plus speaking to people most of the flames start from the comic side not the magna side i like all 3 in differant ways and feel their all very good however i think the childish oh my hero better than yr hero or goku is weak is pathetic shouldnt people respect other peoples views and if you dontl ike them dont have to comment on them

Nah. Plenty of users here love DBZ.

#50 Posted by nick_hero22 (7980 posts) - - Show Bio

Some the of the hate is their own doing to be honest here, but I will admit that I think that sometimes people egg the DBZ fanboys on a little.