Fantastic 4 bashing out of control

Totally, I have a feeling Jordan will steal this movie.

Yeah, surely. I'm also wondering... is the movie going to be treating their powers as a horror-like concept? That'd be pretty cool and I think I heard from somewhere that that's what they're planning.

That sounds cool, I thought the movie would be more pure sci fi than superhero.

@black_wreath: It looks to be very sci-fi heavy > superhero. But then again, The Dark Knight ventured into crime thriller territory and that was perfectly fine, so why can't the Fantastic Four movie venture somewhere else?

@theamazingspidey: Oh I prefer CBMs that experiment with genre, I think it will help us stave off that "comic book fatigue" everyone's always going on about.

Exactly. We've had the superhero CBMs (Guardians of The Galaxy, The Avengers etc.), we've had comedy (Ant-Man), we've had crime (The Dark Knight) AND sci-fi (Man of Steel, and now Fantastic Four). People need to decide what they want. Superhero movies that exist themselves with the formula / genre, or superhero movies that actually experiment. You know, people say "WAA! We're getting fatigue from CBMS! AoU skz" then you get something like Fantastic Four and people say "WAA! This looks like sci-fi and not super heroish enough!" Like really. What do people want?

@theamazingspidey: Indeed and I hope for more fantasy style ones too, I love Hellboy and the Thor movies (unlike the rest of CV) and hope to see more mystical elements to them in future say in Wonder Woman, Shazam and Doctor Strange - though I've heard Strange will also have a horror vibe which makes me even more excited about it.

People should happy not whiny about the state of CBMs - just look at where we were in the mid 2000s when only a couple were any good.

@black_wreath: Yeah. Today is like the golden age of comic book movies. Whoever thought we'd be getting a Civil War movie? That's always been my comic book movie dream (no, literally) I can't even believe that it's happening now that I think about it. I'm just made less excited because MARVEL doesn't own all of their character (I'm looking at you, FOX studios) but I am really, really happy with the state of CBMs. I'm even so excited for Batman v. Superman.

The trailer doesn't look too good imo.

@theamazingspidey: It's like there's this amazing thing called the internet I could watch it on. Or maybe even redox it?! Didn't know you had to pay to see a movie now a days to enjoy it.

You need to pay to watch it as if it wasn't filmed through a camcorder.

@theamazingspidey: You clearly don't stream movies very often..lol

@petey_is_spidey: Why isn't Robert Downey jr 6'0?

What I mean to say is why would you miss out on watching a superhero / sci-fi movie in cinemas? For what?

This. A hair change in character would be just as profound as skin color, yet you don't see people complaining about it when it happens (I'm looking at you, almost every single comic book casting ever).

Save money. There's no guarantee F4 will be good. If it is, there's no telling I'd like it. I don't like the F4. I never have. I made the mistake of going to see the first two. Never again.

There's no guarantee that any movie will be good. Ever. You might as well boycott every movie if you're not sure that it'll score 10/10s on all sites. The first two were old movies from an old series. This is a reboot. If you don't like the F4, that's fine, but the new movie looks pretty different in areas.

But if they capture my interest enough, I'll go see it. Why would I boycott something I actually have an interest in vs something I don't? I'm not going to argue over this. I think the new movie looks bad. If it's good, cool. Still won't pay to go see it because it doesn't bloody interest me.

Alright. Fair enough. If if doesn't pique your interest - my interest has been unpiqued with movies before too.

This is the type of movie I may watch for free online, maybe. That's how bad it looks

Does it bother you that much OP?

Pray tell me what makes it look so bad.

It's pretty depressing.

This is probably the most hated movie ever on the internet before release.

@theamazingspidey: the thing looks retarded, johnny is black, they picked an ugly actor for invisible woman, miles turner has never acted well in his life, dr doom was drawn by a 4 year old, the vibe is was too serious and it's looks dumb how they got their powers and how the main problem is just gonna be closing the portal. Please tell me what looks good in it lmao. I bet the coolest part is the thing dropping from a plane... which they already showed

If you think The Thing looks retarded, that's your opinion. Characters get redesigns all the time. Johnny being black is just about as bad as change in eye color, height, hair color etc. which has never been major, Miles Teller was amazing in Whiplash, Dr. Doom being drawn by a 4 year old - again, that's too subjective, and with the vibe being serious -- I hope that you criticise every other comic book movie's tone and THEN you watch it. Shoot first ask questions later, huh? Also, don't be hyperbolic ("never acted well in his life") it doesn't really sell your argument.

And are you serious!? Kate Mara is beautiful.

@theamazingspidey: well you just spewed nothing but garbage... the actors they choose are all so bad you should never see it based on that alone

Yes, because we didn't learn anything from the likes of Heath Ledger and Chris Evans. We've been proven wrong by comic book castings a handful of times.

The difference is that Johnny Storm was Sue Storm's BIOLOGICAL sibling, not adopted. If you were going to change Johnny to being black, might as well change Sue too, but they didn't.

And people never complain when its white character changed black (notice I said Black, 'cause its NEVER any other ethnicity), but non white character changed white and everyone flips.

Me too. I hope they're met.

People have been complaining about Johnny Storm's ethnicity in the movie since Michael B. Jordan was confirmed in the role. Which was before we were told that she's adopted. So no. That's not what is making people mad.

I never said that's what's making people mad. What I did say/mean is that's what kinda ticked me. Race is not important to a character (or so that's what people want you to think), however background is, and them not being biological siblings changes both characters. Also, it felt really unneeded.

@petey_is_spidey: Oh, i see, you're just worried about comic accuracy.

Tell me again: what issue of the Avengers did Tony Stark invent Ultron?

I read that Widow, Barton and Fury werent created until after the Avengers comic in the 1960s, but the MCU has them as founding members.

I thought Thor was a God, but he's an alien in the MCU.

Finally, just to show im not just harping on Marvel, Batman (1989) said that Joker killed Bruce's parents, but I thought that was Joe Chill?

It's almost as if movies don't follow comics to a tee...almost.

P.S. Mercy Graves is blonde in the animated series and, for a stretch, in the comics, but now she's Tao Okamoto in BvS and no one made a sound (white character being changed to a minority that's not black).

Also, what about Angelina Jolie playing Fox in Wanted or Scarlett Johansson playing Mokoto Kusanagi in Ghost in the Shell?

Any more things you want debunked?

Bruh...Thor and Loki.

So pretty much if YOU don't think changes matter, then no one can think they're bad?

That's not what I said. What I'm saying if I'm saying anything is that the complaints of comic book inaccuracies are, to me, asinine reasons to rule out the film. Have you ever stopped to think... pretty much all of the complaints about this movie is it being hammered AS a comic book movie. Johnny Storm being black, Susan being adopted, looking too dark, not feeling like a superhero movie etc. all of these criticisms would not stand if it was just a sci-fi, original movie. And I TOTALLY love how people are skipping it because of those comic book inaccuracies, and they are the same people praising the Dark Knight as their Citizen Kane.

@theamazingspidey: so basically because you somehow see all changes as holding the same weight, no one can go on a case to case basis and see if the changes are good or warranted?

Thank you SO much for saying what I've been meaning to say. Comic accuracy has not been meaning sh*t since Sam Raimi. Spider-Man has organic webbing and Spider-Man 2 is still one of the best CBMs for a lot of people.

I only have one problem with the new F4....

Why can't Sue be black too? I get she's adopted but why go for the adoption angle when she could simply be black as well!

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If they want to yearn for comic book accuracy, then they can also pick apart the movies that they consider masterpieces. Comic book accuracy does not make a film GOOD or BAD. What makes a movie good or bad is the storytelling, direction, characterisation and acting. I just find it very weird that you say the movie, as a movie, looks like rubbish... then you list reasons that are basically all built around faithfulness to the comic books.

It's just because the makers are blind casting and not saying, we're gonna cast ethnicity x or ethnicity y.

Well, because the actress they chose, before they made this decision was so amazing that they feeled like it was the ultimate waste not to use her... Just kidding. It's because Hollywood is run by racist a**holes, that don't want couples of mixed race to be potrayed.

A black woman and white guy in a relationship! What if people seeing the movie would consider that possible and then there would suddenly be reallife couples between black and white people? Think of the children! Excuse me I'm on my yacht away from all real life civilization to keep my narrowminded world view.

What do you mean!?!?!? Do you not see all the hate and flak she's getting over the so called "white washing" of Hollywood? There's a ton of backlash on the casting. Doesn't really matter anyways; Ghost in a Shell is no where near as big a franchise as Marvel, DC, or Dragon Ball.

Who Cares what skin colour Johnny storm is ?, I would not care if he was Purple as long as he is well written.

Scratch that I would care, I would care very much.

@cfrehse: I am curious about the movie. Will give it a chance but the Fantastic Four aren't any of my favorites.

People that hate on this movie are just bandwagon sheep/racists. I'll be laughing at them when it brings in 500+ million and gets stellar reviews.

Eh, the studio embargoed reviews and critic screenings of it until the night of its US release. That is usually something that happens to the stankest of the poop.

People will stop complaining when they see the movie anyways

The embargo date/time for Fantastic Four is only 17 hours longer than the date/time given for Ant-Man, Avengers 2, Captain America 2, Iron Man 3, Muppets Most Wanted, Brave, Inside Out, Lincoln, and dozens of other movies that were critically and commercially successful. Yes, this movie may be terrible, but the review embargo is no indication of that.