Dragonball Z compared to other Comics

There seems to be a huge difference in the way people view Dragonball Z characters on the Vine. So view them way above most american comic book characters(such as I) and others view them to be in a much lower level. Where do you put them at and why?

Eternal Chaos says:

"I put them below American comicbook characters for a few reasons. True, they do have brute strength, and speed, but they can't manipulate reality. American comicbook characters have more powers other than normal dbz characters. that's the bottom line."

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Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I put them below American comicbook characters for a few reasons. True, they do have brute strength, and speed, but they can't manipulate reality. American comicbook characters have more powers other than normal dbz characters. that's the bottom line."

That is not true. DBZ does have reality warpers such as Piccolo. It is mostly on a small scale, but lets not forget the Dragonballs. And as for brute force and speed being your only power. If your opponent doesn't have a chance to warp reality does it matter really what they are able to do? "

Keyword, "Smallscale". So what? Who cares about the Dragonballs? Wow, 2 wishes, big deal. Marvel's reality warpers are more powerful. Wanna talk items? Ok, here're 3 for ya. Infinity Gauntlet, Heart of the Universe, Cosmic Cube. DBZ characters move fast, given, but against cosmics, some god's and other character's, they're not winning. THat's the bottom line."

Eternal Chaos says:

"Surfer. Firelord. Stardust. All heralds of Galactus. Galactus himself. Aegis. Tenebrous. Cosmic Spidey. Carnage Cosmic. Cosmic Hulk and Cosmic Daredevil. Dr. Strange. Phoenix."

Eternal Chaos says:

"Most of those people save for Strange don't need time and can take more punishment than Goku can deliver. All they have to say is "No more Goku" and he's gone. That's it. most of them control molecules too."

Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Surfer. Firelord. Stardust. All heralds of Galactus. Galactus himself. Aegis. Tenebrous. Cosmic Spidey. Carnage Cosmic. Cosmic Hulk and Cosmic Daredevil. Dr. Strange. Phoenix."

Alright now I see you have chose people who can manipulate reality in some way or another. Does that mean a auto victory though? I mean sure Dr. Strange could beat just about anyone given the proper time to cast a spell. But we must remember he can only move at a normal human speed and has normal durability. One hit from some one with any sort of super strength and speed and he is down. That goes for the others except for they are durable. But the same rule applies. They have to have time to do something. It just isn't instant."

Strange makes indestructible shields by thinking.

Sparda says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Surfer. Firelord. Stardust. All heralds of Galactus. Galactus himself. Aegis. Tenebrous. Cosmic Spidey. Carnage Cosmic. Cosmic Hulk and Cosmic Daredevil. Dr. Strange. Phoenix."

Alright now I see you have chose people who can manipulate reality in some way or another. Does that mean a auto victory though? I mean sure Dr. Strange could beat just about anyone given the proper time to cast a spell. But we must remember he can only move at a normal human speed and has normal durability. One hit from some one with any sort of super strength and speed and he is down. That goes for the others except for they are durable. But the same rule applies. They have to have time to do something. It just isn't instant. "

Strange makes indestructible shields by thinking."

Surfer goes intangible. Goku can't hit him. He could just redirect his energy beams right back at him.

Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Most of those people save for Strange don't need time and can take more punishment than Goku can deliver. All they have to say is "No more Goku" and he's gone. That's it. most of them control molecules too."

Only one person has done the whole "No more (fill in words)" and she is not on your list. As for the others they have to focus to manipluate molecules. How are they going to focus when someone who(IMO, some agree some don't) is faster and stronger than you is pounding away at you. Even if he could take out one of them with one hit. If he kept the pounding and didn't give them a chance he would still win. Right? "

Yeah, that was Wanda, she's nowhere near as powerful the other's I posted. They'll do that feat with no effort. That was the point. I disagree with you. What makes you think Goku is faster that Surfer? What?"

Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Go to about 4 minutes into the video. And there is your proof.http://www.youtube.com/v/6crf2_prhEQ width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">"

so one guy saying that someone is faster then the speed of light makes it so? have you ever seen batman or captain america dodge bullets? does that make them faster then a bullet?

Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Go to about 4 minutes into the video. And there is your proof.http://www.youtube.com/v/6crf2_prhEQ width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">"

so one guy saying that someone is faster then the speed of light makes it so? have you ever seen batman or captain america dodge bullets? does that make them faster then a bullet?"

Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Go to about 4 minutes into the video. And there is your proof.http://www.youtube.com/v/6crf2_prhEQ width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">"

so one guy saying that someone is faster then the speed of light makes it so? have you ever seen batman or captain america dodge bullets? does that make them faster then a bullet?"

If he were to just dodge the attack you could assume the attacks they were doing were not that fast. But becuase the writer felt it needed to be said, the attack was going at the speed of light and he was faster than the attack when he was caught off guard. "

That makes no sense, just because somebody says something doesn't make it true. One guy said it big deal. Your thinking that just because they move faster than a blink that makes them faster than light, that doesn't mean squat. A bullet moves too fast for you to see, does that mean it moves faster than light? No it doesn't."

Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Go to about 4 minutes into the video. And there is your proof.http://www.youtube.com/v/6crf2_prhEQ width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">"

so one guy saying that someone is faster then the speed of light makes it so? have you ever seen batman or captain america dodge bullets? does that make them faster then a bullet?"

If he were to just dodge the attack you could assume the attacks they were doing were not that fast. But becuase the writer felt it needed to be said, the attack was going at the speed of light and he was faster than the attack when he was caught off guard. "

That makes no sense, just because somebody says something doesn't make it true. One guy said it big deal. Your thinking that just because they move faster than a blink that makes them faster than light, that doesn't mean squat. A bullet moves too fast for you to see, does that mean it moves faster than light? No it doesn't."

So because the idea of them moving faster then light was brought up once it can be ignored. The reason it was probably brought up once is cause after that anyone moving faster than light didn't seem like a big deal cause everyone was doing it, even the weakest of them. I mean remember this was the first battle of DBZ. If they were moving that fast now, whats the point of bring it up when they are moving 100 times faster? "

wow. who said 100 times faster? if you moved at 1.5 light speed you would be so much faster then the person only moving at light speed that it would be shocking. so even if he was moving at light speed, assuming the others are moving at 100 times faster is insane.

Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Go to about 4 minutes into the video. And there is your proof.http://www.youtube.com/v/6crf2_prhEQ width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">"

so one guy saying that someone is faster then the speed of light makes it so? have you ever seen batman or captain america dodge bullets? does that make them faster then a bullet?"

If he were to just dodge the attack you could assume the attacks they were doing were not that fast. But becuase the writer felt it needed to be said, the attack was going at the speed of light and he was faster than the attack when he was caught off guard. "

That makes no sense, just because somebody says something doesn't make it true. One guy said it big deal. Your thinking that just because they move faster than a blink that makes them faster than light, that doesn't mean squat. A bullet moves too fast for you to see, does that mean it moves faster than light? No it doesn't."

So because the idea of them moving faster then light was brought up once it can be ignored. The reason it was probably brought up once is cause after that anyone moving faster than light didn't seem like a big deal cause everyone was doing it, even the weakest of them. I mean remember this was the first battle of DBZ. If they were moving that fast now, whats the point of bring it up when they are moving 100 times faster? "

wow. who said 100 times faster? if you moved at 1.5 light speed you would be so much faster then the person only moving at light speed that it would be shocking. so even if he was moving at light speed, assuming the others are moving at 100 times faster is insane."

Nobody says:

"Well the Kaoken(i am sure that is spelt wrong) doubled goes abilities. And eventually he used it at like times 10. So he was 10 times stronger then when he was faster and stronger then Raditz already. So if Raditz was moving that fast and Goku's base level was faster and stronger I would assume goku at the very least was moving at 10 times light speed. But that is just doing math. I could be wrong. Oh and the doubling his speed and stuff happened in the second battle in DBZ. And with each battle it seemed as if their powers were doubling."

Was it ever actually said that his speed was doubled or multiplied by a factor of ten? And who said this?

Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Go to about 4 minutes into the video. And there is your proof.http://www.youtube.com/v/6crf2_prhEQ width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">"

so one guy saying that someone is faster then the speed of light makes it so? have you ever seen batman or captain america dodge bullets? does that make them faster then a bullet?"

If he were to just dodge the attack you could assume the attacks they were doing were not that fast. But becuase the writer felt it needed to be said, the attack was going at the speed of light and he was faster than the attack when he was caught off guard. "

That makes no sense, just because somebody says something doesn't make it true. One guy said it big deal. Your thinking that just because they move faster than a blink that makes them faster than light, that doesn't mean squat. A bullet moves too fast for you to see, does that mean it moves faster than light? No it doesn't."

So because the idea of them moving faster then light was brought up once it can be ignored. The reason it was probably brought up once is cause after that anyone moving faster than light didn't seem like a big deal cause everyone was doing it, even the weakest of them. I mean remember this was the first battle of DBZ. If they were moving that fast now, whats the point of bring it up when they are moving 100 times faster? "

wow. who said 100 times faster? if you moved at 1.5 light speed you would be so much faster then the person only moving at light speed that it would be shocking. so even if he was moving at light speed, assuming the others are moving at 100 times faster is insane."

Well the Kaoken(i am sure that is spelt wrong) doubled goes abilities. And eventually he used it at like times 10. So he was 10 times stronger then when he was faster and stronger then Raditz already. So if Raditz was moving that fast and Goku's base level was faster and stronger I would assume goku at the very least was moving at 10 times light speed. But that is just doing math. I could be wrong. Oh and the doubling his speed and stuff happened in the second battle in DBZ. And with each battle it seemed as if their powers were doubling. "

Once again, that's not showing him moving faster than the speed of light. That's just showing his normal speed multiply 10 times. You can say they're moving faster than a bullet, but faster than light has yest to be shown because if they were moving faster than light, I wouldn't be able to see them moving period."

Forever says:

"Nobody says:

"Well the Kaoken(i am sure that is spelt wrong) doubled goes abilities. And eventually he used it at like times 10. So he was 10 times stronger then when he was faster and stronger then Raditz already. So if Raditz was moving that fast and Goku's base level was faster and stronger I would assume goku at the very least was moving at 10 times light speed. But that is just doing math. I could be wrong. Oh and the doubling his speed and stuff happened in the second battle in DBZ. And with each battle it seemed as if their powers were doubling. "

Was it ever actually said that his speed was doubled or multiplied by a factor of ten? And who said this?"

i'd like to know that too.

Forever says:

"Nobody says:

"Well the Kaoken(i am sure that is spelt wrong) doubled goes abilities. And eventually he used it at like times 10. So he was 10 times stronger then when he was faster and stronger then Raditz already. So if Raditz was moving that fast and Goku's base level was faster and stronger I would assume goku at the very least was moving at 10 times light speed. But that is just doing math. I could be wrong. Oh and the doubling his speed and stuff happened in the second battle in DBZ. And with each battle it seemed as if their powers were doubling. "

Was it ever actually said that his speed was doubled or multiplied by a factor of ten? And who said this?"

Donnieman v5.1 says:

"I hate DBZ with a passion"

i'm sure it hates you too ;)

Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Apparition says:

"Nobody says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Nobody says:

"Gottheit says:

"His evidence is that Raditz was explained to be moving at the speed of light. He was the first Saiyan outside of Goku to be seen in the series, and now that the series has gone on, Raditz is seen as the weakest and slowest of the enemies. And he moved at the Speed of Light."

Exactly. Or the fact he moves to otherworld in a split second using instant transmission. Heck, there seemed to me no limit where he could travel in a instant. "

Gee wiz. Once again. What proof? What proof do you have, in black and white, where does it say that raditz moved at light speed? Where does it say that? Instant transmission isn't exactly instant because he has to put his fingers to his head. Within those 1.1 seconds, Sufer could've turned Goku into a steamy pile of cow poo that was picked up by Mike Roe on Dirty Jobs."

Go to about 4 minutes into the video. And there is your proof.http://www.youtube.com/v/6crf2_prhEQ width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">"

so one guy saying that someone is faster then the speed of light makes it so? have you ever seen batman or captain america dodge bullets? does that make them faster then a bullet?"

If he were to just dodge the attack you could assume the attacks they were doing were not that fast. But becuase the writer felt it needed to be said, the attack was going at the speed of light and he was faster than the attack when he was caught off guard. "

That makes no sense, just because somebody says something doesn't make it true. One guy said it big deal. Your thinking that just because they move faster than a blink that makes them faster than light, that doesn't mean squat. A bullet moves too fast for you to see, does that mean it moves faster than light? No it doesn't."

So because the idea of them moving faster then light was brought up once it can be ignored. The reason it was probably brought up once is cause after that anyone moving faster than light didn't seem like a big deal cause everyone was doing it, even the weakest of them. I mean remember this was the first battle of DBZ. If they were moving that fast now, whats the point of bring it up when they are moving 100 times faster? "

wow. who said 100 times faster? if you moved at 1.5 light speed you would be so much faster then the person only moving at light speed that it would be shocking. so even if he was moving at light speed, assuming the others are moving at 100 times faster is insane."

Well the Kaoken(i am sure that is spelt wrong) doubled goes abilities. And eventually he used it at like times 10. So he was 10 times stronger then when he was faster and stronger then Raditz already. So if Raditz was moving that fast and Goku's base level was faster and stronger I would assume goku at the very least was moving at 10 times light speed. But that is just doing math. I could be wrong. Oh and the doubling his speed and stuff happened in the second battle in DBZ. And with each battle it seemed as if their powers were doubling. "

Once again, that's not showing him moving faster than the speed of light. That's just showing his normal speed multiply 10 times. You can say they're moving faster than a bullet, but faster than light has yest to be shown because if they were moving faster than light, I wouldn't be able to see them moving period."

Thats dumb. Sorry but it is. What would the show be if we couldn't see what they were doing. Of course it doesn't appear to us that they are moving that fast. But according the the first battle they are. And they only get faster. And as I have stated but for some reason it doesn't count if Raditz was light speed and Goku's base level was faster then him. Then him multiplying it by 2 or 3 would make him at least 2 or 3 times light speed. And I found a video where his base level was once again higher then before and he use it at 20x so he would be at at least 20 times light speed. If math is followed properly. "

No, that doesn't matter. Just because somebody says a character is moving at light speed doesn't mean they are. The character's aren't moving at light speed. Period."

Forever says:

"Nobody says:

"It didn't it was just by the level that he used it. Kaioken x3 would be his power multiplied by 3. x10 would be by 10, etc. I am trying to find the video that explains it. I think it was the first time he used it King Kai talks about it. Its harder to find then him just using it. But laster on he uses it x20. "

I would like to see what it says because otherwise youre just working off of assumptions. If I say that Hulk's power is increased exponentially by his rage, then that could mean that he eventually would end up as fast as the flash, but we know that isn't the case. We know for certain that Silver Surfer can move at least three times the speed of light."

Nobody says:

"It didn't it was just by the level that he used it. Kaioken x3 would be his power multiplied by 3. x10 would be by 10, etc. I am trying to find the video that explains it. I think it was the first time he used it King Kai talks about it. Its harder to find then him just using it. But laster on he uses it x20."

I would like to see what it says because otherwise youre just working off of assumptions. If I say that Hulk's power is increased exponentially by his rage, then that could mean that he eventually would end up as fast as the flash, but we know that isn't the case. We know for certain that Silver Surfer can move at least three times the speed of light.

Donnieman v5.1 says:

"Apparition says:

"Donnieman v5.1 says:

"I hate DBZ with a passion"

i'm sure it hates you too ;)"

It's so dumb, it has nothing on other comics and manga. It's garbage"

The art could have been better, the plot lines are very weak, too much of it is recycled from series to series and they had way too many filler episodes, but other than that...

Forever says:

"Nobody says:

"It didn't it was just by the level that he used it. Kaioken x3 would be his power multiplied by 3. x10 would be by 10, etc. I am trying to find the video that explains it. I think it was the first time he used it King Kai talks about it. Its harder to find then him just using it. But laster on he uses it x20. "

I would like to see what it says because otherwise youre just working off of assumptions. If I say that Hulk's power is increased exponentially by his rage, then that could mean that he eventually would end up as fast as the flash, but we know that isn't the case. We know for certain that Silver Surfer can move at least three times the speed of light."

Donnieman v5.1 says:

"Forever says:

"Donnieman v5.1 says:

"Apparition says:

"Donnieman v5.1 says:

"I hate DBZ with a passion"

i'm sure it hates you too ;)"

It's so dumb, it has nothing on other comics and manga. It's garbage"

The art could have been better, the plot lines are very weak, too much of it is recycled from series to series and they had way too many filler episodes, but other than that..."

It's a crock of @#$% (no disrespect to all the fans out there)"

lol. Of course no disrespect meant...

Donnieman v5.1 says:

"Forever says:

"Donnieman v5.1 says:

"Apparition says:

"Donnieman v5.1 says:

"I hate DBZ with a passion"

i'm sure it hates you too ;)"

It's so dumb, it has nothing on other comics and manga. It's garbage"

The art could have been better, the plot lines are very weak, too much of it is recycled from series to series and they had way too many filler episodes, but other than that..."

It's a crock of @#$% (no disrespect to all the fans out there)"

lol

Peter Parker: "I always though that Black Bolt was the most powerful person in the Universe....."

He then goes on to state that Sentry is the most powerful.

Does it make it true?

Sparda says:

"Peter Parker: "I always though that Black Bolt was the most powerful person in the Universe....." He then goes on to *state* that Sentry is the most powerful. Does it make it true?"