#1 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1493 posts) - - Show Bio

I noticed in a lot of threads that involve Dr Manhattan they always sat he wins. I don't get why though. They pit him against characters with MANY years of feats against a guy with a small handful of feats. They also say that he wins because he is described to have immense power but that is just speculated power where there are characters who have PROVEN their power. Overall I feel Dr Manhattan is over rated on the vine. I mean people think he can beat Silver Surfer. I mean I don't understand how a guy who just blows up a few thugs is considered all powerful. Someone even said he beats Pre Retcon Beyonder.

Do you think he's over rated.

State any opinion.

NOTE: I'm not clear on his seeing the future ability. Can someone describe that.

#2 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1493 posts) - - Show Bio

No Opinions?

#3 Posted by JediXMan (29296 posts) - - Show Bio

He's overrated. Most (reputable) people know that.

#4 Posted by PurpleCandy (773 posts) - - Show Bio

IMO he can beat anyone who has no reality or matter manipulating powers (i.e. Captain America, Hawkeye, Beast Boy) other than that it's debatable, and assuming he can't beat them there's no way they can hurt him really. I wouldnt say he's overrated much, but overused

#5 Posted by JediXMan (29296 posts) - - Show Bio

@PurpleCandy:

Any telepath can beat him, because there's no evidence that he's immune to telepathy - there's more evidence to suggest he would be vulnerable (the man has a brain).

#6 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Cleavage, cleavage can defeat Dr. Manhattan, I thought this was already established?

#7 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1493 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

Cleavage, cleavage can defeat Dr. Manhattan, I thought this was already established?

THIS.

#8 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

you remind me to put him on the worst teammate list. remeber even though he has the power he known inefficient for it during missions. a smooth talker can easily manipulate him since he does not have much motivation.

#9 Posted by roboadmiral (537 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think even a telepath would work. He sees all of time simultaneously, so he'd see your telepath coming years off and make their brain explode or something. He's definitely an absurdly overpowered character, but that's sort of the point of him.

#10 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1493 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan:

I don't think even a telepath would work. He sees all of time simultaneously, so he'd see your telepath coming years off and make their brain explode or something. He's definitely an absurdly overpowered character, but that's sort of the point of him.

What do you think about this statement?

#11 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

He perceives time completely different than we do. He has too much power of time, and it made gave him a different point of view because of this.

I honestly don't get the hate for him.

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#12 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1493 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One: He's overused. They put him against people like Galactus, Silver Surfer, Pre Retcon Beyonder, Pre Retcon Molecule Man, Spectre, Classic Dr Strange and Fate, etc. If he wasn't over used then I wouldn't dislike him as much.

#13 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@RoyHarperBLOW: It kind of makes sense to me for people wanting or feeling like it's okay to do that. He can teleport anywhere, and the way he talks in the movie...

"I don't believe there is a God, and if there is... I am nothing like him"

"If only you could perceive time; like I do."

"You're about to convince me to save Earth... we already had this conversation."

plus speculations like

"You could've turned the Glass into water or something, but you didn't"

I honestly think he could be DC's Molecule man, but maybe he isn't I don't know

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#14 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1493 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yung ANcient One said:

@RoyHarperBLOW: It kind of makes sense to me for people wanting or feeling like it's okay to do that. He can teleport anywhere, and the way he talks in the movie...

"I don't believe there is a God, and if there is... I am nothing like him"

"If only you could perceive time; like I do."

"You're about to convince me to save Earth... we already had this conversation."

plus speculations like

"You could've turned the Glass into water or something, but you didn't"

I honestly think he could be DC's Molecule man, but maybe he isn't I don't know

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Sorry but this is my opinion on your last statement. :)

#15 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (15909 posts) - - Show Bio

@RoyHarperBLOW: Years of feats don't make a guy beat someone stronger..Take hulk, for example. It doesn't matter how angry he gets. He is not punching something intangiable! Hits feats don't mean anything, because they are mostly strength related.. but I agree that he is a bit overused.

#16 Edited by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

Although I agree that Dr. Manhattan is overrated, most the battle threads (on this site) that I've seen involving him, people seem to understand that. For example, I think it's just a small (but vocal) group of Dr. Manhattan fanboys that think he can beat Silver Surfer.

I think there's basically 2 problems with him, both of which are really more problems with Watchmen itself.

1) Manhattan comes from a universe in which he is pretty much the only character above street-level, and therefore his accomplishments seem more impressive in comparison.

and

2) I've actually met a lot of people that scoff at me for reading comics, but claim to love Watchmen. Basically people who think comics are for kids, but went ahead and read Watchmen because Time Magazine listed it as one of the "100 greatest novels of the 20th centuries." As a result a lot of his fans have literally no knowledge of comics outside of Watchmen.

#17 Posted by mpierce2690 (316 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry, but everything about Watchmen is overrated. Except Rorschach. He's bad ass.

#18 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

the logic behind the Watchmen story is different from the logic of main stream comics. It doesn't really matter how many feats prove that Dr Manhattan is an extremely powerful character: we are being told that he is almost god-like and that on its own represents a problem that humanity can not handle, especially since there are no other super powered beings in the Watchmen universe. It is far better to read the original comic than to watch the movie or read a review, you need to get immersed in their universe to fully understand what he represents.

#19 Posted by EdBlank (492 posts) - - Show Bio

He's one of those "do anything" characters that pulls new abilities out of his @$$ at random. YAWN. In the context of Watchmen, him being some kind of commentary on that type of character, I guess it works. Manhattan does not work as a character who is supposed to get out and brawl with others. Only the most powerful cosmic entities even have a prayer. Even then, what does the fight look like? Whoever can get the drop on the other just snaps his fingers and wipes the other out of existence. Boring.

#20 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5048 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan

He's overrated. Most (reputable) people know that.

QFT
#21 Posted by Grishnakh (20 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not overrated, some people just need to understand that in modern times, comics are sometimes meant to be kept to their own universe and it's not always about everyone fighting everyone else. Dr. Manhattan was created for a specific universe and that's where his story works and it all makes sense, there are other characters like this that get pulled into battle threads a lot. Personally, I don't see why it matters who's more powerful, I would think the battles forum would be about creating scenarios where a fight would take place (basically like fan-fic but focusing on fights).