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#51 Posted by New_World_Order (13290 posts) - - Show Bio

@boostergold321: Next time use a spoiler block please. It makes it too hard to scroll down the way you did it. Also most of those are Classic feats. Thor's speed feats are not on that level currently.

#52 Posted by SC (13237 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@boostergold321: Next time use a spoiler block please. It makes it too hard to scroll down the way you did it. Also most of those are Classic feats. Thor's speed feats are not on that level currently.

Eh there is really no difference between classic Thor and modern Thor except in the eyes of a few posters on internet battle forums who neglect to understand the nature of comics. You ask Marvel, you ask any Marvel writer, or any Thor writer or any fan who considers the creative process of writing comics and most of not all will tell you that current Thor is the same Thor that always has been. Thor's speed is not defined by speed feats because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and we actually do have evidence that Thor's speed is inconsistent and benefits him when it needs to benefit him and story and doesn't benefit when it benefits him and the story.

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#53 Posted by Pyrogram (40934 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@boostergold321: Next time use a spoiler block please. It makes it too hard to scroll down the way you did it. Also most of those are Classic feats. Thor's speed feats are not on that level currently.

Eh there is really no difference between classic Thor and modern Thor except in the eyes of a few posters on internet battle forums who neglect to understand the nature of comics. You ask Marvel, you ask any Marvel writer, or any Thor writer or any fan who considers the creative process of writing comics and most of not all will tell you that current Thor is the same Thor that always has been.

Well said.

#54 Posted by boostergold321 (301 posts) - - Show Bio

Exactly!

Marvel just launches new titles but they don't erase character history.

#55 Posted by New_World_Order (13290 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@SC said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@boostergold321: Next time use a spoiler block please. It makes it too hard to scroll down the way you did it. Also most of those are Classic feats. Thor's speed feats are not on that level currently.

Eh there is really no difference between classic Thor and modern Thor except in the eyes of a few posters on internet battle forums who neglect to understand the nature of comics. You ask Marvel, you ask any Marvel writer, or any Thor writer or any fan who considers the creative process of writing comics and most of not all will tell you that current Thor is the same Thor that always has been.

Well said.

@boostergold321 said:

Exactly!

Marvel just launches new titles but they don't erase character history.

Yeah. well said. I agree lol

#56 Posted by termiteone4ever (7709 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@termiteone4ever said:

YEs he always win . No matter what all the Thor fan comes with and excuses. HIs strength is way over thors . HIs speed combat wise is surpasses Thor by a large margin again i have preached this for years . I know it hurt the Thor and silver surfer fans but combat speed thor and surfer is useless Flying speeds in a straight line they are fast basically travel speeds with assistance from their weapons. Recently ocean master lighten happen to knock out superman and wonder woman i knew dc needed a away to take down the heavy hitters but lightening from ocean master must have been packing some serious power to take down those two. In all fact every moment the writers does mess up the character giving them some low end feats . I could easily remind you of how a wolverine almost killed thor plenty damage also some surfer low end feats . Surfer has done some impressive things but what most people think or cross their finger on is the surfer awareness which is random. Superman is no stranger to cosmic beings on higher level than surfer.

Although I agree Superman beats Thor due to speed. I believe your underestimating Thor, and especially Silver Surfer greatly.

@dondave said:

AVery Well Done Unbiased Assesment

Thank you !

@boostergold321 said:

How does Superman have a speed advantage? Can someone answer that honestly? Besides magic, what advantage or disadvantages are there really???

Both characters have been shown with microsecond and nanosecond reaction time!!

Both characters can move at supersonic speeds.

Both characters, on rare occassion, move at the speed of light and beyond!

Both characters have shown arstronomical feats of power!

Anyone who tries to puts one over the other when it comes to personal abilities is just bein biased, wanting to favor one characters over another despite that the facts tell them the opposite!

Both characters depend on the circumstance of story. These guys have people from the real world pulling their strings. They're called WRITERS!!

Both have missed the mark against things that have been shown within their ability to handle!

Superman looks like Stupid-man every so often against the lame villains of DC!

Thor gets made to look like the god of blunder instead of thunder from time to time as well!

It's called jobbing. The Job is doing less than what your expected to do when it comes to your superpowers. Thor and Superman's power have to take a dive sometimes for the sake of the story!

Does that make them chumps all of sudden? Should we ignore the level of Super-ness that they are known for? No! We should simply realize that writers don't let the characters perform to the best of their abilities 1000 percent of the time because if they did, then there would be no story interesting enough to read.

Superman has nano second, Thor had microsecond(s). That's really what I thought was the problem though.

Not at all underestimating anyone. We have seen superman fight beings on all levels with energies and powers above Silver surfer . I have read Marvel and Dc for years and always compared the heroes. In all facts we dont even know if surfer energies would hurt superman( we dont even know if he would shoot red sun radiation at superman or kryptonite ). They are both batteries some of sort surfer which is more energy based. I have seen the comic with surfer creating the black hole on a basically dead person not moving . We all know surfer is a straight line fighter he is not close hand to hand combat blitz-er . Similar to thor. U always wonder why Thor and surfer fights always a stale mate or unresolved and surfer always having the hardest time.. This cosmic awareness is like the lotto of surfer powers only works at random times. Again i have read and seen may feats of surfer and thor and yes superman. So yes i stand correct on what i say. Others believe different but i stick to my opinion until i read something that can convince me all these years i am not convinced . Lets not talk about who is smarter among the three

#57 Posted by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

They both have extreme advantages imo. Thor brings the magic which Supes is vulnerable to. Superman brings the speed + strength combo that Thor has a disadvantage in. An argument can be made for either character to win in my eyes....But a fight between the two is more than likely always going to be a slugfest and it's pretty much up to the writer at that point.

agreed

#58 Posted by Teerack (7078 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Superman would win and I'm a Thor fan that kind of dislikes Superman.

#59 Posted by New_World_Order (13290 posts) - - Show Bio

@termiteone4ever said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@termiteone4ever said:

YEs he always win . No matter what all the Thor fan comes with and excuses. HIs strength is way over thors . HIs speed combat wise is surpasses Thor by a large margin again i have preached this for years . I know it hurt the Thor and silver surfer fans but combat speed thor and surfer is useless Flying speeds in a straight line they are fast basically travel speeds with assistance from their weapons. Recently ocean master lighten happen to knock out superman and wonder woman i knew dc needed a away to take down the heavy hitters but lightening from ocean master must have been packing some serious power to take down those two. In all fact every moment the writers does mess up the character giving them some low end feats . I could easily remind you of how a wolverine almost killed thor plenty damage also some surfer low end feats . Surfer has done some impressive things but what most people think or cross their finger on is the surfer awareness which is random. Superman is no stranger to cosmic beings on higher level than surfer.

Although I agree Superman beats Thor due to speed. I believe your underestimating Thor, and especially Silver Surfer greatly.

@dondave said:

AVery Well Done Unbiased Assesment

Thank you !

@boostergold321 said:

How does Superman have a speed advantage? Can someone answer that honestly? Besides magic, what advantage or disadvantages are there really???

Both characters have been shown with microsecond and nanosecond reaction time!!

Both characters can move at supersonic speeds.

Both characters, on rare occassion, move at the speed of light and beyond!

Both characters have shown arstronomical feats of power!

Anyone who tries to puts one over the other when it comes to personal abilities is just bein biased, wanting to favor one characters over another despite that the facts tell them the opposite!

Both characters depend on the circumstance of story. These guys have people from the real world pulling their strings. They're called WRITERS!!

Both have missed the mark against things that have been shown within their ability to handle!

Superman looks like Stupid-man every so often against the lame villains of DC!

Thor gets made to look like the god of blunder instead of thunder from time to time as well!

It's called jobbing. The Job is doing less than what your expected to do when it comes to your superpowers. Thor and Superman's power have to take a dive sometimes for the sake of the story!

Does that make them chumps all of sudden? Should we ignore the level of Super-ness that they are known for? No! We should simply realize that writers don't let the characters perform to the best of their abilities 1000 percent of the time because if they did, then there would be no story interesting enough to read.

Superman has nano second, Thor had microsecond(s). That's really what I thought was the problem though.

Not at all underestimating anyone. We have seen superman fight beings on all levels with energies and powers above Silver surfer . I have read Marvel and Dc for years and always compared the heroes. In all facts we dont even know if surfer energies would hurt superman( we dont even know if he would shoot red sun radiation at superman or kryptonite ). They are both batteries some of sort surfer which is more energy based. I have seen the comic with surfer creating the black hole on a basically dead person not moving . We all know surfer is a straight line fighter he is not close hand to hand combat blitz-er . Similar to thor. U always wonder why Thor and surfer fights always a stale mate or unresolved and surfer always having the hardest time.. This cosmic awareness is like the lotto of surfer powers only works at random times. Again i have read and seen may feats of surfer and thor and yes superman. So yes i stand correct on what i say. Others believe different but i stick to my opinion until i read something that can convince me all these years i am not convinced . Lets not talk about who is smarter among the three

I see.

#60 Posted by dum529001 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

@boostergold321:

You forgot some other feats Thor has done that require great speed!

Here, When Thor swings Mjolnir fast enough, faster than the speed of sound, he can cause whirlwinds of greater than hurricane force in Journey Into Mystery #84:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...lwindJIM084.jpg

In terms of power, he's used those whirlwinds to blow away famous buildings like the Taj Mahal and the Eiffel Tower in

Journey Into Mystery #94:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...4-Whirlwind.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...5-Whirlwind.jpgAnd easily snuff out the full-power flames of the original Human Torch, from Invaders #33:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...dInvaders33.jpg

Same with the Human Torch of the Fantastic Four, Johnny Storm, from Marvel Two-In-One #9:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...-Whirlwinds.jpg

It's even affected immensely powerful foes like Surtur, the Fire Giant, from Thor #177:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...hirlwind177.jpg

They even work against other thunder gods, like Leir of the Celtic Gods, from Thor #386:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...hirlwind386.jpg

And while it's highly arguable that Thor doesn't have superbreath anymore, he can simply use Mjolnir to create freezing whirlwinds, which are cold enough to harden molten metal in seconds, from Avengers #283:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...indAvengers.jpg

Or the whirlwinds can be used to protect people from the intense freezing winds of the Casket of Winters, from Thor #349:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...2-Vortex349.jpg

Masterson Thor has used Mjolnir's whirlwinds to create vortexes and redirect a gamma bomb's radiation into outer space in Infinity War #3:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...a-VortexIW3.jpg

Here, Thor uses Mjolnir's whirlwind vortexes to contain and redirect an explosion, from Avengers #397:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Avengers397.jpg

He does the same to save everyone from the biological weapon the Skrulls made Wasp into in Secret Invasion #8:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...4-VortexSI8.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...rMjolnir205.jpg

By whirling Mjolnir around fast enough, Thor can shield himself from attacks like lasers, from Thor #218:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...3-Shield218.jpg

As long as it keeps whirling, it can even perpetually block a constant barrage of laser vision from Count Nefaria, from Avengers #166:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Avengers166.jpg

Mjolnir's also repelled a blast from Odin's spear, Gungnir, in Thor #291:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...01-Field291.jpg

He could also make swirling force-fields powerful enough that even the Savage Hulk couldn't get past in Journey Into Mystery #112:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...-Forcefield.jpg

He uses it again in a fight with Absorbing man in Journey Into Mystery #114-15:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAbsorbingMan01JIM114.jpg

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAbsorbingMan02.jpg.html

These swirling force-fields can even prevent energies from penetrating it, from Thor #186:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...rcefield186.jpg

The swirling force-fields can even negate all magic within it, including Juggernaut's invincibility, from Thor #429:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Negation429.jpg

How strong can these swirling force-fields be? Strong enough to contain a Life Bomb that would have destroyed one-fifth of the universe, from Avengers Annual #16:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...dAvengersAn.jpg

#61 Posted by TheHeat (452 posts) - - Show Bio

Kneel before Thor!

#62 Posted by MyronLee26 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

What about the Thor strength feat where he flung the Midgard Serpent that coiled itself around Earth multiple times, or when he arm-wrestled Hercules causing the planet to shift out of orbit, or when he pushed the World Engine to reverse the World Tree Yggrasil, or how when he got the upperhand against Captain America when he was depowered to a mortal state...........?

#63 Posted by Dreadpool10 (1552 posts) - - Show Bio

What about the Thor strength feat where he flung the Midgard Serpent that coiled itself around Earth multiple times, or when he arm-wrestled Hercules causing the planet to shift out of orbit, or when he pushed the World Engine to reverse the World Tree Yggrasil, or how when he got the upperhand against Captain America when he was depowered to a mortal state...........?

That's exactly what I was thinking.

#64 Posted by New_World_Order (13290 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, I should get back to this.

#65 Posted by reaverlation (16435 posts) - - Show Bio

So Superman wins?I agree

#66 Posted by sayid_zanafi (84 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: why thor loses this fight.i am not enjoying this.after what happen in thor god of thunder series,how can you say superman wins.

#67 Edited by sayid_zanafi (84 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: ya you should.after reading thor god of thunder series,i realy dont think superman can win against thor.

#68 Edited by KorusDestroyus (193 posts) - - Show Bio

This is not a debate, Superman is written to win anything... Hell, he became the second most powerful in DC with hes Superman Prime One Million form... He possibly out does The Beyonder and Living Tribunal in that form.

#69 Posted by hart7668 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio

Well written

#70 Posted by Whowatchesthewatchmen (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@Malevolent1: You should give this a read and see if it doesn't set the record straight

Anyway excellent analysis @ThunderGodsWrath: I liked how deeply you analysed the categories and the logic you followed in reaching your conclusion.

I agree about how I will be looking forward to more articles.

#71 Edited by thevarioty436 (122 posts) - - Show Bio

nice unbiased post, although i believe the strength gap is wider than you think, thor's best strength feat barely puts his strength on supermans averagely high end strength feats, i do agree thor hit harder with his hammer though

#72 Edited by Redskull490 (448 posts) - - Show Bio

no superman does not always win. Go to my blog.

#73 Posted by Nate-Grey (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay, it's decent analysis. But it ignores more than a few of Thor's strength feats, including his planet smashing antics against Beta Ray Bill and the God Butcher, lifting the World Serpent, breaking open a Celestial's armour, hurling Mjolnir straight through Glory, a God/Demon that embodies an entire dimension and comfortably hurls planets, hurting it for the first time ever.

It also ignores the fact that he's tanked the full power of the Phoenix Force, to the face, smashed it across space, actually managing to slow it down. Surviving it speaks well for his durability. He's taken a supernova to the face and kept standing, and absorbed, via two Mjolnirs, the power of the Godbomb, a bomb designed to slay every God in all of history, at once. This includes innumerable Skyfathers and Elder Gods. He barely survived it, but survive it he did. He was tortured for seventeen days by the God Butcher, and still had the strength to stand and practically chop him in half with his axe.

He's also got thousands of years of combat skill behind him. He likes running in and smashing things, but he can and will utterly trounce Superman in terms of skill once he gets serious.

Then there's the magic advantage.

The only clear cut advantage that Superman has is speed, and that's very rarely his first resort, nor is running or flight speed a measure of combat speed. If it was, well, Thor comfortably exceeds the speed of light. He certainly never used it against Thor. Not only that, but Thor has experience of fighting FTL speedsters, including Siege era Quicksilver (under Dan Slott's pen, he was basically the Flash, comfortably outrunning radio waves) and Hermes (who he tagged, twice). He's got microsecond reaction speed at the very least and has been stated to be as fast as the lightning he commands. Even then, he can have Mjolnir chase down Superman like a guided missile (he can quite comfortably control it with his mind), or use his enormously powerful Geokinesis (he's sealed a planet that was cracking in half with it), inherited from his mother, Gaea, to shake the ground under Superman's feat and make him lose his balance.

I'd give it to Thor 7/10.

#74 Posted by Thundergod999 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@soa: Agreed and just to put this out superman's freeze breath and heat vision won't do anything to Thor since he is immune to it and what I mean by that is he fights frost giants and surtur for a living.

just for people who don't know frost giants and surtur, frost giants are humongous beings that controls the element of ice and lives in the ice realm aka jotunheim and surtur is basically the satan of the marvel universe and is the king of the fire beasts.

#75 Posted by DBVSE7 (3914 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor only beats Supes under certain conditions.. it's like Batman fighting Cap.

Batman would not beat Cap a straight up fight without his prep condition. They may be similar is skill but Caps physicals will always give him an edge over Batman as much as fanboys like to disagree.

#76 Posted by ariesxmasters (487 posts) - - Show Bio

In a fight Thor would win. Superman is very susceptible to anything related to magic, and someone with sufficient "Super Strength" and "Durability" can beat him a head on fight. Superman is the strong by earths standards, but by universal standards he is not all that strong, there are plenty of brings who can beat him.

#77 Posted by Comicuser (1264 posts) - - Show Bio

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