@wolverine08: Magnet.
Does Batman always win? Batman vs Wolverine
@omnicrono: Eh, not to sound rude, but the magnet argument is one od the most used arguments with Batman vs Wolverine that people don't think through.Considering that they are in melee range, you think Bruce will figure out about the skeleton before Wolverine does something as simple as close the short distance and stab him? And what surface can Bruce stick James to that Wolverine simply can't cut out of with his claws? I'd also add that Wolverine had managed to slightly resist Magneto's pull before so Bruce's magnet is going to have to be pretty damn strong to put it lightly.
Wolverine takes 10/10 in first encounter.
Batman takes 6/10 in second encounter.
Let me start by saying I love Bats, but Wolverine is Bruce's worst nightmare. Even worse than Bane, Ras Al Ghoul, and Joker. One of Batman's most used tricks is the art of suprise, which he can not do here. Logan's animal sense will prevent Bats from sneaking up on him. Also I think many of you are underestimating Logan's h 2 h fighting ability. So many of you are quick to say Bats is the superior fighter, but I disagree. While I do think it is close, I feel Wolverine has the upper hand. He is FAR older than Bruce, he was studying martial arts while Bruce was crying at his parents funeral. He literally spent a lifetime living in Japan training with masters. I know Bruce did the same, but for not nearly as long. I don't dispute that Bruce is also a master, but he has to depend on his skills in order to win a fight. That's the difference between the two, Logan can also rely on his skills when he needs to, but he can also go into bezurker mode and let his animal instincts take over. Basically he has a higher gear of fighting that he can go to when needed. Plus people forget that Logan actually enjoys and excells in fights. That is a huge difference between the two characters. Bats is a skilled and more than capable fighter, but fighting is more of a last resort for him. On the other hand Wolverine would rather fight first and talk later, that makes him a lot more dangerous. Batman struggles with the Joker due to his unpredictable nature, Wolverine has a lot of the same qualities.
But the whole Batman prep arguement can not be denied. If Batman can escape with his life (which will not be easy against Logan), he will learn from his mistakes. The second fight will not be a cake walk for Bats either (despite what somke posters think), but I do think he will have the odds in his favor second time around.
@superguy1591: you hate Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns"?!? It's like...the best graphic novel ever made! Well, as for me obviously. The second one to it is Watchmen.
In a random encounter, Wolverine wins 10 out of 10, NO QUESTION. If he somehow managed to escape alive and had another go at Logan (or if Batman were briefed about Wolverine's abilities in the FIRST place before a battle) than the odds would shift enough to Batman that I would say, 50/50.
In a random encounter, Wolverine wins 10 out of 10, NO QUESTION. If he somehow managed to escape alive and had another go at Logan (or if Batman were briefed about Wolverine's abilities in the FIRST place before a battle) than the odds would shift enough to Batman that I would say, 50/50.
This.
@superguy1591: you hate Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns"?!? It's like...the best graphic novel ever made! Well, as for me obviously. The second one to it is Watchmen.
No it's not. Superman fans hate the way Superman was portrayed because Frank Miller can be... let's just say.. he portrayed Superman like a douchebag. Besides, it's only an opinion. I think Claremont's Wolverine 1982 is the best Graphic Novel ever made but it's only my opinion.
Now, what i 'm going to say might be a little controversial...but i really think Batman could take out Wolverine even if it was a Radom encounter...
No. There really isn't anyway what so ever Bats can win this. I think the arguments made by Super_SoldierXII on pages 3-5 are beyond conclusive. Wolverine has superhuman speed and was so fast he made Spiderman think he was faster than him (One of the fastest speedsters in Marvel). When he and Sabertooth fought, they were so fast that Psylocke could barely even perceive them. His strength is so strong he was able to hold an elevator by the cable with people in it with one hand and was able to hold 6 people over his shoulder with one hand. This is a random encounter, Bats has no one sided prep. He has no idea that Wolverine is one of the best fighters in his universe. He is no idea that Wolverine has seen countless theaters of war and has been fighting for over 100 years. He has no idea that how good his pain threshold is. He has no idea that he's tanked hits by the Hulk, and the Phoenix flames, eats bullets on a daily basis, got hit by a full speed stealth bomber.. got up immediately and started fighting. I mean what in hell makes people think Batman has any chance in hell without prep??
Neither, they are so evenly matched that the laws of physics recognizes their prowess apart and decides to do what the major companies did back in 1995 and make this a reality...
But alright, if you want an answer, I think there MIGHT be a possibility that Logan has the edge in this matchup considering that he's lived a longer life than Bruce and thus can bring more experience to the table. I give the match to Wolvie, but it is a Pyrrhic victory for him in the end.
Tell me how exactly will it be a pyrric victory for Wolverine. I need to hear this!
I bet if batman was prepared for the fight, he would most likely win but if wolverine attacked unexpectantly, he would kill bruce.
Wolverine would win, I don't think he'd kill Batman as I think he'd escape but hes definitely going to win this.
@kdub_inc_: Bane needed prep to beat Bruce
@darthaznable: true true a momentary lapse lol I stand corrected.they were a pretty good match(not counting the movie) I just hate that they never showed in the film banes mental prowess.he turned out to be a pawn and was a huge disservice to his origins I think
@clarkjosephkent1938dc: dude, you do know Wolverine's speed, strength, and reflexes are all above Batman. Plus, his healing factor also ramps up his stamina and endurance, so Batman isn't going to outlast him. And then factor how every punch from Wolverine is basically a punch from Iron Man or Winter Soldier's robot arm, and the fact that Batman wouldn't be able to get away from Logan as his super smell would allow him to track Batman and prevent him from getting any gear. And this is ignoring the part where Logan just whips out his claws and rams them though Batman before he can react, since Bruce is weaker and slower than Wolverine
On a random encounter Bats is in trouble. But don't under-estimate Batman. If you read a book like Enemy of the State, you will see Wolverine struggle in an encounter with Daredevil, who is not super strong and Elektra, who again is just a skilled martial artist. Batman arguably trumps both those two for fighting ability and has an array of gadgets to give him a chance in even a random encounter. I think the author of this article got it about right.
This is way off the mark. There are 2 confrontations. First one, Batman is caught off guard by Logan's resistance to pressure points and brute force. He catches claws to his ribs and absconds back to Alfred and the Cave.
In their next confrontation, Batman parries Logan's punches and strikes, just enough to get close to his face and sprays his aerosolized Bat-Mantium. Based on optical readings through his cowl, and trace amounts of adamantium in his wound, he has developed a metabolically delivered agent that instantly breaks adamantium's structure down molecularly into mica which breaks horribly with each blow Batman delivers. Wolvie's guts are a mess as Batman - hey where'd he go!
World's Greatest Detective! Batman always wins! Boom- drops the mike......
I feel obligated to post this:
Don't believe youtube please for the love of God. This is Comic Vine. I say Batman wins 6/10 times.
There is literally nothing Batman can do in a random encounter to keep Wolverine down. What's he gonna do? Blow him up? Electrocute him? Kick him?
That's cute.
One thing I never understood about these fights with Batman and this whole random encounter, blood lusted, prep and all the non sense.
There is like literally no way to calculate exactly what equipment Batman would have since his equipment is literally different in every story, and he is such a plot heavy based character like he is usually as prepped as he needs to be even if it is inadvertently. That's why I wouldn't even waste my time debating him since all his fights are literally up to the writer and depend on what equipment he is given.
Still magnets.
Logan is in trouble as soon as The World's Greatest Detective sees the giant metal claws coming out of the guy's hands... which, knowing Wolverine, would be sooner rather than later.
I do not agree and I think they have always short changed the claw using mad man. Everyone looks at the idea of him with laced bones that cannot be broken, but what they do not look at is his ability to do damage with just a strike or a kick or a single finger poke. Why bring out the claws at all when you have so much potential in a simple block or close line. Years of training with ninja and many wars and you have a very good killing machine. How often does he not hold back and you have seen it time and time again. They short change Wolverine and they continue to short change him. The claws are nice but no way near his only weapon when it comes to fighting. He clearly does not need them and it is over used hype to make one think he does. Without using them I would imagine he could defeat most foes, just a simple palm forward and most would have crushed ribs to say the least. Years of training in the danger room added to years of real life wars and this guys is unbeatable. Batman may be good but he is not that good he has nothing on Logan nothing at all.
or use a giant magnet.. wolf stuck... but without prep, wolverine wins though.. I always wanted to imagine what if batman has the healing power like wolverine.. :D
Wolverine wins. Batman can try all his tricks, but Logan will just keep on coming until he puts his prey down.
Batman wins with prep however.
Well it depends on the type of fight. I can see Wolverine winning the head to head fight to death battle. Why? His healing factor would make him impossible to hurt or even kill not that Batman would kill him if he knew how. Wolverine wouldn't tire out or have permant injuries done to him. And his unbreakable claws would be a major threat to Batman.
However in terms of hit and run, prep time, planning Batman does take the victory. Its been well know as this threat mentioned Batman does have a genius IQ. And while I said Wolverine wins the head to head fight in order for that to happen Wolverine would need to back Batman into a corner where this type of fight would happen and Batman being the smarter of the two isn't likely going to play Wolverines game for very long. So this fight is likely the classic brains vs brawn.
Now while both men could get prep time for this fight I cant honestly see Wolverine having a easy time with the prep time against Batman as he dosnt know Batman's true identity. He wouldn't know that Batman isn't a mutant either. Batman however is more known to the prep time concept as he has done his best work with prep time beating more powerful and dangerous heros and villians that are beyond Wolverines abilities.
But for Batman to get any prep time in against Wolverine this could take months if not years to find out Wolverines weaknesses. Its not impossible but it could take a long time.
So if this fight was just head to head fight to the death no prep time Wolverine wins. But smarts, prep time, planning, Batman wins.
@superguy1591: you hate Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns"?!? It's like...the best graphic novel ever made! Well, as for me obviously. The second one to it is Watchmen.
Seriously? You need to read comics from other publishers, or maybe check out some European comics. The only notable thing about TDKR and Watchmen is their influence on the American comic book industry.
@sprior93: i'm totaly serious
I read a lot of European comics. I have more European comics than american ones. People like Bilal, Jodorovsky, Gimenez, Mœbius or Rosiński. I love them all.
Metabarons, Blueberry, The Nikopol Trilogy or Incal are all truly great.
But the comics that Please me the most when i read them is certainly TDKR and Watchmen. Both Miller and Moore are amazing writers and Miller's art is simply astounding.
@drfate: fair enough
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