@Bane_of_sith: Just a quick question about your post. If DC stayed completely loyal to the comics than wouldn't the movie be just as predictable as you denouncing Dark Knight Rises for being? Isn't doing their own interpretation a better way to avoid predictability than blind following? Take Watchmen for example. 100% loyal to the comic and the flow of the story. So we everyone that had read it there was absolutely no reason to go to the film because we already knew everything that was going to occur. I'm not saying that Dark Knight Rises was in any way some type of mystery to the viewer and couldn't be figured out. But then again who cares? What exactly should Nolan have tried to let the viewer figure out. The best part of comic book movies is not about them being unpredictable, but in how the writers, producer, and director mold all the various aspects of a character into a new vision.
Take Bane for example. Sure there was no venom but Bane hasn't used venom (in the comics) in over a decade, maybe going on 15 years, until the new 52 redid everything. Its only been in the animated series and games that venom was still attached to his character (again until the new 52). He was venom free and still kicking ass for quite a while. During that time (venom free Bane) he was also considered an heir candidate for Ra's Al Ghul (and thus received training from him) for breaking Bruce up until Bruce beat him in a second fight. All of that was rolled into Nolan's Bane.
Then you've got John Blake, who while an original character is actually the combination of the first three Robins. He's an orphan (Dick Grayson specifically but actually all of them are now), he talks about the anger that dwells inside him (Jason Todd), he's a cop (Dick Grayson was on the Bludhaven police force for awhile), and he's very intelligent as shown by him figuring out Batman's identity and seeing patterns in Bane's movements (both defining attributes of Tim Drake). So even without his first name actually being Robin, you can see all the elements of the comics rolled into this one character.
I will agree with you I didn't like the fact they switched Bane and Talia's origins a bit, but I would have been more disappointed if Nolan had made Bane the child of Ra's as well as Talia. Though the age of the two characters could have made them be brother and sister I think it would have been a bit too much of a departure for the character. But are you honestly going to tell me that while we all guessed Miranda Tate was actually Talia that you knew the entire film she was the child that got out of the pit? I'm going to find that very hard to believe given the age and look of the child giving no indication of sex. So there is a surprise right there.
As for how could Talia have gotten out of the pit as a child but Bruce couldn't as an adult......you were actually paying attention to the film right? The rope the prisoners use is not long enough and snaps back as a person tries to make the jump. Its another form of control and the illusion of hope that the prison uses to make them think they can get out but actually prevents them from doing so. Its only without the rope that you can leave the prison (or if the rope from the surface is lowered down as Bruce does when he escapes), which is why Bruce made the jump without the rope just as Talia did. Why does nobody else go up without a rope? Because they are too afraid to. Isn't that an interesting point that Nolan shows us but never delves into? If Bane is so without fear than why didn't he ever try to leave? Simple, because Talia was the first to leave as nobody had ever tried without the rope before. It has nothing to do with her being fearless and Bane not, but the fact that she was never given the rope in the first place and simply tossed up to the wall by Bane to escape the other prisoners. Bane couldn't follow because of his injuries and nobody else is brave enough to try without the rope (and most likely the majority of the prisoners from the time aren't alive anymore).
So rather than just make a blanket statement about how terrible the film was maybe you should try analyzing it and looking at what Nolan was trying to show and accomplish. Was TDKR a perfect film, absolutely not. It also wasn't a popcorn movie like the Avengers (and if you're really complaining that TDKR was too predictable than you obviously have some blinders on if you're gonna tell me Avengers wasn't and that the film didn't deviate from the source material either as it created its own origin story for the team using a combination of the original Avengers, where Loki tricks them into fighting Hulk, and Ultimate Avengers, where they fight the Chitari..........oh wait, you mean Josh Whedon combined various aspects of the story and charactesr to create something new???? That sounds exactly like what Nolan did. Imagine that.) but that doesn't mean it wasn't a superhero movie. Would you say that the Sandman series from Vertigo Comics isn't really a comic book because its not exactly like a Superman title?
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