Do you really think that Broly is a galaxy buster?

THE FACTS are that he is a galaxy buster. the only problem is that the DBZ haters on here would die before acknowledging that. its amazing how hated DBZ is on this site just for the simple reason that DBZ fans would not back down from saying goku beats superman. its sick disgusting and childish that this hatred for a series has been going on for at least 4 years now and it show how immature some comic readers are. the mods allow all the rules to be broken when it comes to hating on DBZ. and if you say anything about it your called a fanboy. why is it that only DBZ was made to suffer but no comic fans were punished at all when they started most of the problems. when a goku vs thread was made anybody who said goku won was attacked and is he defended himself the entire site would gang up on him. no body would dare admit this of course.

In defense of Akira, I don't think he ever thought people would take things as seriously as they do on CV. Though I do have to question why you thought there wasn't any/a lack of progress?

I thought we weren't allowed to discuss DBZ, or Anime for that matter.

QFT. One does not simply destroy a Galaxy or a Solar System with an Energy blast. A super explosion could do it in a sensible way, so the blast would have to be omnidirectional

eventually he took out a galaxy. by himself. i'll still give credit where credit is due

He isn't a proper galaxy buster. he can't destroy it with one move.

@darthvxder: I highly doubt mr toriyama cares about those who debate this (I know, if I was him, I wouldn't

Anyways yes, they do control their blast radius/damage so they won't destroy the planet (vegeta even states it)

@darthvxder: we aren't creating things, we are confirming them. Character statements, abilities. And explanation clearly shows that cell can bust the solar system. Deal with it

That's like a feat he has, why do people think he isn't?

The ONLY confirmed Galaxy Busters in DB are Bills and Whis (Possibly due to the fact that he is stronger than Bills)

Broly is by no means a Galaxy Buster, he has proven to be a Planet Buster and maybe he is powerful enough to blow up a Solar System. But no more.

That's actually not necessarily contradictory. A galaxy is so large that even if you completely obliterated 99.9999% of it, there could easily be thousands of solar systems left over completely intact.

On panel things are plenty rife with contradictions as well, especially for popular, long running characters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Thor, etc. We all know this on some level. It is even built into the Comicvine lexicon; PIS, CIS, WIS, "bad writing," etc. Those are all brought out for when things happen in a comic that don't "make sense" with other things that happened in other comics.

Basically, strictly using "on panel feats" to the exclusion of all else isn't actually a more logical or correct approach for all forms of fiction. It is a necessary compromise for Comics like DC and Marvel because there is no actual "Word of God" authority. No one writer owns Superman, meaning what John Byrne says Superman can and can't do is irrelevant as soon as Dan Jurgens takes over, and what Jurgens thinks Superman can and can't do becomes completely irrelevant as soon as Geoff Johns takes over, etc ad infinitum.

Conversely, Toriyama [i]is[/i] the word of god for DBZ. He owns Goku and every character Goku interacts with in pretty much every way that matters. If he says Goku or Vegeta or Cell can do something, then there is literally no one on earth qualified to actually tell him otherwise, because it is completely within his right as the owner and creator of Goku to do whatever he wants with the character.

Basically, arguing for using the exact same system of logic for both corporate IPs (things like DC, Marvel, Star Trek, etc, anything with tons of writers who ultimately have no say or ownership of anything in the property beyond what they actually get published) and creator owned IPs (DBZ and various other manga, as well as a huge amount of fiction like Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, Foundation, etc, etc) is a false equivalence, because it ignores inherent differences in the propagation of the stories. I've seen plenty of people argue that DBZ seems "so inconsistent" and point out how various feats seem to break down or contradict the idea of a guy with a power level of 18,000 destroying earth, but when you get down to it, an overwhelming proportion of feats comics fans will simply accept as "true" are also contradicted by many other showings in other issues, and from a purely physical standpoint, most of it is complete nonsense anyway.

We have seen that the most of the galaxy (at least 99%) was destroyed. The only question is whether this happened over the period of many years or instantly

But even if it took him 10 years to destroy more than 99% of the galaxy, he would still have to destroy almost 1000 solar system per a second, without resting, for a 10 years.

So it really boggles me how can any sane person think he destroyed almost entire galaxy by traveling from a planet to planet and destroying them 1 by 1.

Explanations don't matter, you cannot destroy a solar system or a galaxy with an energy blast in one go. You can only do it with some kind of super-powerful disintegrator bomb, take for example the one in Ben 10, that possible Solar System busting bomb that could have been made by combining Element X and Iron Ore that was said to have the power to do so, and there is also the Annihilaarg, which can literally destroy a universe, but not by an energy blast, no. Oh, and character statements in Ben 10 are much more credible than those of DBZ, given that they usually come from people who know what they're talking about, such as Azmuth, Paradox, Etc. Even a series like Ben 10 has more credibility in the area of character statements than DBZ does.

@mortein said:

We have seen that the most of the galaxy (at least 99%) was destroyed. The only question is whether this happened over the period of many years or instantly

But even if it took him 10 years to destroy more than 99% of the galaxy, he would still have to destroy almost 1000 solar system per a second, without resting, for a 10 years.

So it really boggles me how can any sane person think he destroyed almost entire galaxy by traveling from a planet to planet and destroying them 1 by 1.

This all means that he isn't a galaxy buster due to the fact that there's no way he could have destroyed it in one go. Some kind of Ultra-Powerful bomb is needed.

Yes, but it's movies...very few DBZ-movies, actually make sense.

@iamoptimusprime: what? No. We know for a fact that Goku > Ben. I never saw anything blowing up in the series of that scale. I mean. We haven't exactly either. But Goku knows what he is talking about when he fills someone's power. Add the guidebooks in from the AUTHOR and we have a confirmation

No, Alien X>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku. Oh, and Alien X survived a legit Universe-Busting device when it was destroying Ben's Universe (putting Celestialsapiens at universe+ Level Dura) then proceeded to recreate said universe. Problem?

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People Goku travels to a planet in the Galaxy and we see a ton of stars still in tact. Not to mention the majority of the movie takes place on New Vegeta which is in the South Galaxy. The Japanese version also has Kaio say that the Galaxy is being... This would imply it's under attack, not being outright destroyed. Come on people,

@dbzk1999: you're missing a link in that argument. Based on what showed in the first minute, he destroyed that much, there are still thousands of stars and planets left. Saying he didn't destroy the galaxy because of a few thousand stars and planets (few dozen showed actually) is like saying clark pulled the earth but his own weight wasn't involved in it, so he can't pull the earth. The amount you're fixating on is literally negligible compared to actual volume of the feat.

@princearagorn1: except it's consistently shown he's only capable of destroying planets

King kai asks goku to check it out to see if it's been destroyed, goku goes to a planet that's physically still there(but ruined) and confirms king Kai's suspicions

Those aliens state that they were "attacked" by the legendary super saiyan, yet their planet was still there (until midway through the movie that is)

If anything, broly destroyed some of the habitable planets and just wrecked the surface/civilization of others,

@dbzk1999: so.. that's about 2-3 planets not destroyed? how does that imply he didn't blow up most of the galaxy?

@princearagorn1: I don't know, maybe the fact that Paragus doesn't WANT to destroy most of the galaxy ? He still has broly under his control right now

And you're missing the point, kaio tells goku he suspects somebody was basically wrecking the galaxy, goku teleports to a planet that is STILL there and confirms (from seeing that planet) that broly has "destroyed" the galaxy. The planet itself wasn't destroyed, all that was there was a ruined city with no life on it

@dbzk1999: ...why not, exactly? I don't remember when paragus was implied a pacifist. And paragus's control isn't full proof to begin with.

@princearagorn1: I don't know, maybe the fact that Paragus wants to conquer the universe right now? Last I checked, destroying the 1/4 of the universe isn't conquering it. Paragus control isn't full proof? It's implied he's had broly under his control with no problems up until kakarot arrived

@dbzk1999: Revenge was his motivation, and there's literally nothing saying he doesn't want to destroy it.

Actually, goku detected some of his unrestricted ki in the galaxy.

@princearagorn1: besides this

The North Galaxy, and of course the Eastern and Western Galaxies, would be undivided under our rule, and an empire belonging to me and Broli would stand for eternity!

@dbzk1999: lol. That implies he didn't want to destroy the south galaxy how?

Also, in dragonball galaxy refers to quadrants of the universe. Not just the celestial objects (?)

ruling the universe doesn't mean you have to be careful with every small fraction..

@princearagorn1: I

Answer this, if broly did "destroy most of the galaxy" then are you saying that goku, with half dead allies' energy, is capable of doing that also?

@dbzk1999: abc logic?

@iamoptimusprime: Yes there is a problem ! Show me a universe blowing up. Goku would snatch that watch off ben. Ben is awesome. But come on!

Watch this episode:

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/ben-10-omniverse-episode-7-so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-smoothies

'Nuff said.

@iamoptimusprime: well he will be killed before he knows it. Ben is a human without a watch.

Now do you accept the Universe-Buster or not? Besides, I told you goku doesn't attack people who can't fight back, he's not that low. And besides, CIS for goku. 'Nuff said.

@iamoptimusprime: he probably won't. But Ben won't even have a chance to use his aliens. Goku will know if Ben plans to attack. It probably won't come to a battle because they are both good. But if they were to fight, Goku would stomp.

Ben is always allowed to Transform in any battle he's in no matter what, because if not then it is unfair for him. So Goku would not stomp so easily if Ben uses Alien X. Oh, and did you watch the episode? Did you see the Universe-Busting device they used?

@iamoptimusprime: no he is not. Not Ina morals off battle

I'm a fan too, but there is a hole in this that has been repeatedly pointed out (Goku going to said Galaxy with IT), and also there is really no logical way to destroy a galaxy with an Energy blast unless you're TTGL, Demonbane, or Getter Emperor, all of which are far larger than Galaxies. Now for someone like Broly to do this, he would need to have let out some Galaxy-Wide explosive Wave from a center, otherwise an energy attack just won't work.

Too many people overestimating DBZ is why it gets so much hate from people. Especially on forums such as the MVC where this is done to unbelievable levels, such as thinking DBZ can beat Unicron or saying that Broly can solo Ben 10. Both of which are factually untrue.

@justthatkid: No he is a galaxy destroyer this is a fact infact in the film it is so

How much time did he spend to destroy each planets? The film says clear and if he doesn't destroy a galaxy in one shot why does kaioh let him to destroy the galaxy?

Planet Buster.

@darthvxder: LOOOOL...oh you were being serious...ok let me enlighten you my friend...nowhere in the whole entire manga does it say they destabilize the core...it was only done on namek and that was because frieza said he held back too much...hell master roshi blew up the moon and it has no core...funnily enough the core is the hardest part to destroy otherwise planets would just be huge rocks with no gravity or mantle or anything that acc makes it a planet...as for broly he did destroy the galaxy...funnily enough both subs and dubs say broly destroyed the galaxy...you would know this if u acc watched any version of the film at all...he wasnt even in legendary so hes more than a galaxy buster...and buu is a multi galaxy buster and so is bills even when hes surpressed heavily...stop reaching please and keep an open mind...bias isnt cool

Either he one shoted a galaxy or hes mftl and a multi star buster

@freefa11: This person gets it

Aside from having been described as a universe buster by very competent individuals multiple times, Broly was also seen destroying a galaxy in a matter of seconds, evidenced by King Kai's immediate reaction to the destruction of said galaxy -- the Southern Galaxy. It's not hard to imagine that an individual (Broly, fyi) with limitless energy capable of destroying a galaxy in seconds is also capable of replicating that feat and destroying a universe in about an hour or two.

And once again: This is something that was stated multiple times by very competent individuals. I can't think of any valid or credible manner of denying what was so obviously stated about the character in the movie. Broly is a universe buster.

In regard to the haters saying, "Goku went to the South Galaxy. DEBUNKED!": He went to the remnants of the South Galaxy, as evidenced by the devastated planets he visited. To think that there wouldn't be remains of the galaxy, like there were of planet Namek, is asinine and retarded.

... Not to mention that he casually obliterated the South Galaxy while restricted -- something the Broly haters seem to be forgetting...

In conclusion: Either Broly is a galaxy buster or he's the fastest character in the entire franchise. Pick.

No

No

@heinrich7: @emperor777:

@waltz: I don't think you realize the amount of times I've seen that scene and my answer hasn't changed.

@emperor777: So, are you saying you're deaf?

@darthvxder:

Dude I've seen a lot of people downplaying DBZ but holy crap you take the 1st spot, Nuclear level cell lol, I guess cell is weaker than Piccolo who vaporized the moon.

@mike_fowler:

Well if you knew about DBZ you wouldn't have come to that conclusion, South galaxy is a quadrant of galaxies , that's why people used to think that their were only 4 galaxies , but each sector has countless galaxies. That's why we see a galaxy getting erased but king kai says that its still getting attacked