#1 Posted by Squalleon (4716 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, pretty much the title says it all!

Do you hate when the status quo changes in Comic Books

ex. New 52,MARVEL NOW,Superior Spiderman

And if yes..........why?

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#2 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, unless it suxs

#3 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#4 Posted by Zaleos (22 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure, but the examples you provide aren't really the same thing. I hate "change for the sake of change" that is invalidating previous comics for the sake of selling new ones (New 52, Brand New Day) but a significant change that was built up through a proper story and actually makes sense is great and the entire point of comics (Superior Spider-Man). Who just wants the status quo to remain constant for decades? That's got to be so boring.

#5 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Change that occurs naturally and with clear reason is enjoyable.  
 
"Change" that does not occur organically is something that is to be frowned upon, avoided and demonised; because it is the worst kind of pandering and lazy writing.

#6 Posted by Dernman (15455 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the change.

#7 Edited by ComicMan24 (147115 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zaleos said:

Sure, but the examples you provide aren't really the same thing. I hate "change for the sake of change" that is invalidating previous comics for the sake of selling new ones (New 52, Brand New Day) but a significant change that was built up through a proper story and actually makes sense is great and the entire point of comics (Superior Spider-Man). Who just wants the status quo to remain constant for decades? That's got to be so boring.

@Dernman said:

Depends on the change.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Change that occurs naturally and with clear reason is enjoyable. "Change" that does not occur organically is something that is to be frowned upon, avoided and demonised; because it is the worst kind of pandering and lazy writing.

Pretty much what they said.

#8 Posted by DarkDay (634 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Change that occurs naturally and with clear reason is enjoyable. "Change" that does not occur organically is something that is to be frowned upon, avoided and demonised; because it is the worst kind of pandering and lazy writing.

This. Heck I can even let things slide in the service of a character getting a power upgrade, but change for the sake of change is silly.

#9 Posted by aaunderoath (165 posts) - - Show Bio

The Comicbook industry is hilariously the largest example of "The Grass is always Greener" that I've ever experienced. Constantly we hear this:

"Dammit Age of Ultron has been teased forever now when is it finally going to happen! I can't wait!!!"

then it gets announced and you get

"UGH WHY!!! WHY SO MANY CROSSOVERS STOP THIS SUCKS I'M BOYCOTTING THIS! WHO'S WITH ME???"

and the same thing happens with change. One second you have rage posts over ::insert book name here:: is boring me it needs a change. Then when they change it you hear ::insert book name here:: was SO much better before!!! We want the old book back.

#10 Posted by lightsout (1833 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52, Tim-Drake-was-never-Robin, Captain-Marvel-is-now-Shazam-because-it's-easier-for-stupid-people-to-follow type changes, yes. I hate them. Change that comes from character/story-development is perfectly okay. May take some getting used to, but I get over it.

#11 Posted by The_Tree (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't hate change, I just hate stupid change.

#12 Posted by TerrellV13 (74 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as it doesn't retcon things, or mess up continuity, why not?

#13 Posted by ENGLENTINE (451 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean Paul becoming Batman was not natural and sucked. 
 
Dick Grayson was a natural switch and was better. 
 
 
 Wally West taking over as Flash was a natural progression. 
Barry Allen coming back was not
#14 Posted by Night Thrasher (3705 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate change for the sake of change, but I love progression. To me New 52 and Marvel Now! are more of the former than the latter.

#15 Posted by waezi2 (8303 posts) - - Show Bio

What is Superior Spiderman?

#16 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Changes happen all the time : retcons, reboots, births, deaths, etc. and I got used to them already.

#17 Posted by ENGLENTINE (451 posts) - - Show Bio

 I hate ressurections. If you have the stones to kill a character, then have the stones to keep them dead
#18 Posted by Squalleon (4716 posts) - - Show Bio

@aaunderoath said:

The Comicbook industry is hilariously the largest example of "The Grass is always Greener" that I've ever experienced. Constantly we hear this:

"Dammit Age of Ultron has been teased forever now when is it finally going to happen! I can't wait!!!"

then it gets announced and you get

"UGH WHY!!! WHY SO MANY CROSSOVERS STOP THIS SUCKS I'M BOYCOTTING THIS! WHO'S WITH ME???"

and the same thing happens with change. One second you have rage posts over ::insert book name here:: is boring me it needs a change. Then when they change it you hear ::insert book name here:: was SO much better before!!! We want the old book back.

Ha,ha lol!

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#19 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

Not all the time. Most of the time, I welcome it.

#20 Posted by Sharkbite (293 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved Secret Six, Robin, and Doom Patrol. I pulled all three of those titles for their entire runs (over 100 issues of Robin/Red Robin).

New52 cancelled my three favorite books.

To replace the awesomeness of Secret Six, we got a mediocre Suicide Squad.

To replace the awesomeness of Red Robin, we got... Batwing?

To replace the awesomeness of Doom Patrol, we got... Frankenstein: Agent of SHADE... which has since been cancelled itself.

And with Marvel NOW, we get to cancel my favorite Marvel Title (Avengers Academy) and replace it with the senseless killing of several characters I actually like (Avengers Arena). Oh, and now the Thunderbolts no longer have any villains on the team.

Yeah, I generally find I hate the large-scale changes. When they do the blanket reboot, it seems like the gut every title I'm pulling and I end up buying less. Thank Zod for IDW and Boom Comics, otherwise my pull list would have basically cut in half over the past 2 years.

#21 Posted by sagejonathan (2013 posts) - - Show Bio

I love change; it makes thing more dynamic and fresh. I only hate it if its absolutely stupid or poorly done.

#22 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7954 posts) - - Show Bio

Really does depend of the change and what it entails.

#23 Posted by AssertingValor (5410 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate how characters strength levels fluctuate to much

#24 Posted by longbowhunter (7511 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm always open to change depending on the creative forces at work. Without change we'd still be reading the same tired Silver Age stuff from 50 years ago.

#25 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2016 posts) - - Show Bio

guys look at invincible , robert kirckman is always changing the status que all the time but always a fantastic change
 
but its his own comic he can do what he whats though
@Sharkbite
yeah why marvel  why? avengers academy was great

#26 Posted by chalkshark (1195 posts) - - Show Bio

Arbitrary change is seldom justifiable. Any time things are altered to suit the vanity of the current "creative" team, I consider suspect. New ideas are necessary to keep things fresh, but those concepts should not just be patched in over top of the work of previous creators... especially if said work was generally considered to be superior. DC's "new" 52 initiative is the absolute worst example I've ever seen of change for the sake of change, and hubris in the editorial department. On the other hand, some of the Marvel Now books are fairly decent extensions of ideas that have existed in the Marvel Universe for decades, yet never been fully explored. Fusing the Avengers with the X-Men has always seemed a logical progression for Xavier's dream, yet other than the Beast's long term membership in the Avengers, the idea of humans and mutants working in unison toward a common goal hasn't been played with to a large degree. It's a natural, and rather long overdue, change that I'm interested in following.

#27 Posted by sinestro_GL (3284 posts) - - Show Bio

I keep an open mind and try to remember that the writers are comic fans with the job of their dreams...so I'm pretty open to change, unless it's something dumb...

#28 Posted by Prodigy P (159 posts) - - Show Bio

Change is good; it helps characters grow, and unusual situations make for good stories to be told. I only get upset when changes are unnecessary, forced, excessive or temporary.

#29 Posted by TheCannon (19219 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the change. Mostly, I like it. Stuff like New 52 Superman, Aquaman, Catwoman, Supergirl, etc. has been amazing.

However, then we have the stupidest changes ever made in comics. Such as Terry McGinnis and Stephanie Brown erased from the continuity. Or even the worst move in comic history: Removing Martian Manhunter as a League founder.

#30 Posted by turoksonofstone (13200 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate unnecessary "creative" change. An existing character is rarely improved by anyone other than it's original creator.

#31 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman said:

Depends on the change.

this, I hate the majority of what they did with supes in the new 52

#32 Posted by Chronus (1115 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zaleos said:

Sure, but the examples you provide aren't really the same thing. I hate "change for the sake of change" that is invalidating previous comics for the sake of selling new ones (New 52, Brand New Day) but a significant change that was built up through a proper story and actually makes sense is great and the entire point of comics (Superior Spider-Man). Who just wants the status quo to remain constant for decades? That's got to be so boring.

Agreed.

#33 Edited by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

Change is good and is in fact necessary to keep the narrative interesting. When change is natural and makes sense then it is good. When change is done suddenly, or for shock value, or because the editor just doesn't know what to do with a certain character and therefor forces an arbitrary change to make it easier on himself, then it is a bad change.

For example, Spider-Man marrying Mary Jane was a good change, and felt like a natural progression of the character. Spider-Man making a deal with the devil to undo his marriage in a desperate attempt to save the life of his geriatric aunt who had literally been on her death-bed since Amazing Spider-Man #1 was a character assassination and an example of a bad change done to satisfy the whim of a bad editor.

#34 Posted by judasnixon (6960 posts) - - Show Bio

An example when change is a bad thing.

When this
turns into that!
#35 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (6020 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally enjoy having changes in comics, as long as it is done naturally and it puts the character in a positive direction. However, whenever the change is forced out, then the stories are not so enjoyable because you're wondering to yourself about how this change happened in the first place.

#36 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13623 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Change that occurs naturally and with clear reason is enjoyable. "Change" that does not occur organically is something that is to be frowned upon, avoided and demonised; because it is the worst kind of pandering and lazy writing.

@The_Tree said:

I don't hate change, I just hate stupid change.

#37 Posted by BlackArmor (6149 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate change, but I love development

#38 Posted by War Killer (20375 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on what kind of change we're talking about. Most of the time change is a good thing as it opens new doors and allows new stories to begin; bringing with it a freshness to certain characters and stories. So for the most part I like change as it can take something and make it new again by changing the status quo of a character or bringing in new faces, keeping the amazing history of the characters, yet making things feel fresh and new as well.

#39 Posted by roboadmiral (548 posts) - - Show Bio

I won't say I inherently hate change, but good change walks a very fine line. Character development is a necessary part of good story telling. If we start and end in the same place, what was the point of the story? At the same time, there's a problem when you start changing the core aspects of a character so that they cease to be the character that people have become attached to.

#40 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Changes are done probably to find new customers to try to make more money. Looking forward to the new take on Green Arrow.

#41 Posted by TDK_1997 (15084 posts) - - Show Bio

If it sucks of course.