Did IM3 keep MOS from being a success?

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#1  Edited By meaTman

MOS was not that bad. Why its critically panned and lost its sequel i'll never know. I cant help but think if not for Marvel Studios success MOS would have been a sure fire hit.

Did IM3 cause this? After its release critics were saying cbms have reached dramatic maturity. It was well recived by critics, GA and fans(not all) becoming the highest grossing solo cbm of all time. IM3 had it all. It was funny, dark, well written and creative. Than their was MOS. I think after IM the GA saw it as boring, cliché, flat, poorly written, origin story about a bland boy scout.

Marvel killed MOS. Just like GotG killed TMNT. DC better up their game or come 2016 AoU and CA:CW is gonna do the same to BvS.

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I think MoS's mediocrity is what kept it from being a success.

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@thecannon:

True. Snyder has never been he best the best story teller.

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#4 rogueshadow  Moderator

Iron Man 3 really wasn't that well received critically, it did alright. Superhero films were seen to reach dramatic maturity by many critics thanks to Iron Man and TDK both being released within a few months of one another. However many still see them as juvenile, partly because when all is said and done a good deal of them still are, there's just an inherent ridiculousness to superheroes that a lot of people can't get over, especially the older generation.

I don't think Comic book movies are seen as immature though.

BvS' financial success is secured regardless of how good or bad it is, but if it's bad, the DCCU may collapse.

How can anybody see IM3 as mature?

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The mandarin twist was f*cking stupid.

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Guardians beat TMNT cause it didn't make you want to rip your own eyes out.

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#7 rogueshadow  Moderator

The mandarin twist was f*cking stupid.

Waste of a potentially great villain.

Somewhere under all the bullsh*t in IM3 was a really great film.

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@ultragreenboy said:

The mandarin twist was f*cking stupid.

Waste of a potentially great villain.

Somewhere under all the bullsh*t in IM3 was a really great film.

I walked out of the theater when I saw that he was just an actor.

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#11 rogueshadow  Moderator
@rogueshadow said:
@ultragreenboy said:

The mandarin twist was f*cking stupid.

Waste of a potentially great villain.

Somewhere under all the bullsh*t in IM3 was a really great film.

I walked out of the theater when I saw that he was just an actor.

I don't blame you.

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What?

  • IM3 wasn't critically acclaimed nor did it have any effect on WB.
  • How did MoS lost it squeal when they never mentioned giving it one in the first place?
  • How is IM3 responsible for CBM movies reaching dramatic maturity, not even the Nolan movies could take that claim even though lots of people says so when there was the Blade & X-men movies long before it.
  • You really think IM3 was more dark and mature than MoS?
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#13  Edited By Benk111

mos was a success it made a ton of money and killed in the dvd/vod sales and warranted a sequel. also it has a 76% audience rating on rotten tomato (counting non comicbook fans) which means most people liked it. lastly they man of steel was number one in the box office for multiple weeks after its release and people are getting excited about the sequel, if they made a sequel to the green lantern involving batman and announced Ben Afflack as the actor I don't think as many people would care.

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@rogueshadow: @ultragreenboy: The twist never bothered me because I knew from the start Marvel would fix it and the movie was just too d*** good. Before RDJ leaves MS he's gonna get an IM movie featuring true Mandarin.

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@ultragreenboy said:
@rogueshadow said:
@ultragreenboy said:

The mandarin twist was f*cking stupid.

Waste of a potentially great villain.

Somewhere under all the bullsh*t in IM3 was a really great film.

I walked out of the theater when I saw that he was just an actor.

I don't blame you.

me neither. IM3 sucked for me because of that and because of the suits getting torn apart so easily.

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#17 rogueshadow  Moderator

@sodamyat: The logic was that post Avengers he's been sat in his lab just obsessing and throwing together suits, he's seen what's out there, things that are completely beyond his comprehension, so he's building suits for every possible scenario he can think of. However by making so many with specialised functions, the trade off is that they aren't very good. Many of them weren't for combat, one was for outer space, one specifically for lifting etc.

It also acts as a precedent for the robots we'll see the Avengers make use of in AoU.

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@meatman: MOS and Iron Man 3 are both terrible movies but the first is worse, because is also boring as hell and a lame parody of Nolan's Dark knight trilogy. The relationship between Clark and Lois is totally random and non sense, the death of Jonathan Kent is ridiculous and the final fight is terrible. Do you want to make a good cinecomic? see MOS and do just the opposite. Iron Man 3 is bad and stupid (the mandarin..........) however RDJ is always funny and the action scenes are awesome. Iron Man 3 isn't a good movie, but at least is funny, like Bad Boys 2 or The expendables movies.

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#19  Edited By meaTman

@the_kidd:

1. IM3 did great with critics and won a s**t ton of awards. It easly dominated 2013.

2. Remember all the talk of getting Superman's house in order first before moving to other parts of the DCCU. I specifically remember Zack saying "of coarse MOS would get a sequel".

3. I'm not saying it was the only film responsible. But I do remember some crtics saying it.

4. I never said IM3 was more dark or mature than MOS.

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Well MOS did fairly well in the box office.

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#22  Edited By kfabz-23

@meatman: snyder didn't write the script

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MoS us better than IM3

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@kfabz-23:

Snyder still doesn't have the best track record with his films. He just got blew way out of proportion by a small group of fans after he took over the DCCU.

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I'm probably going to get a warning, flagged or worse, but I just can't controll mysellf anymore....OP, kill yourself.

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I'm probably going to get a warning, flagged or worse, but I just can't controll mysellf anymore....OP, kill yourself.

he's had 3 accounts that constantly post bait threads like this.

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#29  Edited By meaTman

@fuzzylittlerodent: And I don't care what you say. I'm not as sensitive as a lot of users on the Vine.

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#30  Edited By -daydream-

Something that sold a lot, made money a lot, became popular a lot, doesnt mean it has quality or it is good material...in the end there is someone called Justin Bieber, Paris Hilton etc....so IM3 killing MOS doesnt mean IM3 is better than MOS, i would include MOS in my top 5 comic book related movies...IM3 ? not even in top 15...but thats only my opinion of course

And i really laugh at these people who think IM3 or MOS or The Dark Knight is dark, mature or blablabla...as if these people are only 10 year old kids...u want dark,mature movies? go watch old movies...today producers or directors are so concerned to get their movies 'R Rated, PG-13 rated', no movie is dark or mature...comparing these so called 'dark' movies with the movies of old days, they look so pinky and child friendly

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@-daydream-:

So u do think IM3 at least partly played a part in the death of MOS?

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@meatman: I personally think he makes good movies, that's the problem with most people these days. People are too insecure to make their own opinions so they base them off what critics say or how much a movie made in BO.

Give him a good script and he'll deliver. Man of steel, 300 & Watchmen are all good movies and MOS & 300 script does have flaws.

With BvS he has Chris Terrio writing the script and Has Zimmer composing the music so I expect him to deliver on that as well.

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@meatman: Warner Bros is still making a sequel to Man Of Steel. To be honest this is basically giving Clark two films.

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#34  Edited By Dextersinister

I think MoS's mediocrity is what kept it from being a success.

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#35  Edited By -daydream-

@meatman said:

@-daydream-:

So u do think IM3 at least partly played a part in the death of MOS?

its possible, but even if it did its a tiny little bit death cause there is not a rule like 'someone who watched and liked IM3 cannot watch or like MOS'...It can kill the MOS on economic levels, but forget about killing it cant even punch MOS on the level of story or being interesting

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Nah, DC did it to themselves.

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#39 the_stegman  Moderator

It was a success. It made over $600 million. It's just not an Avengers, billion dollar success.

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@sodamyat said:

@yaboi is that you

I thought I was the only one thinking the same thing. lol

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I haven't checked the numbers myself, but I was under the impression that Man of Steel was a commercial success. Iron Man wasn't that well received by critics either and it still made loads of money.

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The mandarin twist was f*cking stupid.

somebody should ban the idiot for suggesting that twist; mandarin practically got neutered with that.

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Man of Steel made money. It wasn't a failure at all.

Also, I'm pretty sure what killed TMNT was having Michael Bay attached to it.

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@kyrees said:

@ultragreenboy said:

The mandarin twist was f*cking stupid.

somebody should ban the idiot for suggesting that twist; mandarin practically got neutered with that.

An eye for an eye. They should neuter him.