#1 Posted by noj (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

So while looking on YouTube I found the video below. In it Max Landis of (Chronicle and the Death and Return of Superman short film fame) states that in Early 2013 DC Comics approached him about doing a weekly year long series about the Death and Return of Superman in the New 52 along with Greg Pak. Due to scheduling conflicts and other internal decisions at DC the series never came to fruition. In the video he gives his pitch for the story he wouldve told.

Having watched his pitch in my opinion its pretty great. It obviously wouldnt completely fly with the current continuity but with a little editing and smoothing out some story elements this series wouldve done WONDERS for DC. It would've filled in a lot of the gaps in the current continuity and just seems like a great story in general.

#2 Edited by deaditegonzo (3329 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, the destruction he described sure does make him sound like a hypocrite for his stance on Man of Steel. I dont really like this guy, but he seemingly makes good points from to time.

Watched further, foot inserted in mouth. NVM.

#3 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29330 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, the destruction he described sure does make him sound like a hypocrite for his stance on Man of Steel.

No it doesn't. Death of Superman is the one Superman story where collateral damage is not only expected, but necessary.

#4 Posted by deaditegonzo (3329 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo said:

Wow, the destruction he described sure does make him sound like a hypocrite for his stance on Man of Steel.

No it doesn't. Death of Superman is the one Superman story where collateral damage is not only expected, but necessary.

This I disagree with. Zod in the movie was every bit as much a threat as Doomsday in the DoS story. He was probably more of a threat, as he had a life eliminating weapon on hand.

#5 Posted by noj (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: Totally agree is stance on Man of Steel really bugged me but I did enjoy his short film on the Death and Return of Superman and this pitch. He also wrote the Action Comic Annual from last year which I enjoyed.

#6 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (27261 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike Max Landis a GREAT deal but I'd probably read this

#7 Posted by danhimself (21898 posts) - - Show Bio

I"m about 20 mins in but it seems like this is more than just a Death of Superman story and like a Death of the Justice League story

#8 Posted by danhimself (21898 posts) - - Show Bio

also lots of gore porn

#9 Posted by noj (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: If I remember correctly didn't the Justice League try and fail to stop Doomsday in the original Death of Superman as well? Doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

#10 Edited by danhimself (21898 posts) - - Show Bio

@noj said:

@danhimself: If I remember correctly didn't the Justice League try and fail to stop Doomsday in the original Death of Superman as well? Doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

yes but he's talking about Doomsday gouging out Aquaman's eyes, breaking Wonder Woman's arms, and breaking Flash's back

#11 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27261 posts) - - Show Bio

@noj said:

@danhimself: If I remember correctly didn't the Justice League try and fail to stop Doomsday in the original Death of Superman as well? Doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

yes but he's talking about Doomsday gouging out Aquaman's eyes, breaking Wonder Woman's arms, and breaking Flash's back

Also eviscerating Hal Jordan, feels like DC's version of Ultimatum

#12 Posted by warlock360 (26898 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by Squalleon (2988 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike Max Landis a GREAT deal but I'd probably read this

Me too!

Wow, the destruction he described sure does make him sound like a hypocrite for his stance on Man of Steel.

He is a Hypocrite.
i can't believe that in one moment he hates everything "Superman" and the other he loves every part of him.The "death of Superman" gave him publicity and know he tries to milk this cow as much as he can.

#14 Posted by noj (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@noj said:

@danhimself: If I remember correctly didn't the Justice League try and fail to stop Doomsday in the original Death of Superman as well? Doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

yes but he's talking about Doomsday gouging out Aquaman's eyes, breaking Wonder Woman's arms, and breaking Flash's back

Also eviscerating Hal Jordan, feels like DC's version of Ultimatum

Ah I see I do agree its a bit much, but he never actually "killed" any of the heroes just left them ridiculously incapacitated. If I were the editor on this book the first thing I wouldve done is tone down the violence towards the Justice League a bit. Stuff like getting punt into the Atlantic and getting their bones broken is fine for the heroes since they can come back from that but doing things like eviscerating Green Lantern and gouging Aquaman's eyes out is a bit much.

#15 Posted by frogdog (2984 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@noj said:

@danhimself: If I remember correctly didn't the Justice League try and fail to stop Doomsday in the original Death of Superman as well? Doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

yes but he's talking about Doomsday gouging out Aquaman's eyes, breaking Wonder Woman's arms, and breaking Flash's back

Also eviscerating Hal Jordan, feels like DC's version of Ultimatum

I doubt DC would keep these guys dead...

#16 Posted by Stormbox (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogdog said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@danhimself said:

@noj said:

@danhimself: If I remember correctly didn't the Justice League try and fail to stop Doomsday in the original Death of Superman as well? Doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

yes but he's talking about Doomsday gouging out Aquaman's eyes, breaking Wonder Woman's arms, and breaking Flash's back

Also eviscerating Hal Jordan, feels like DC's version of Ultimatum

I doubt DC would keep these guys dead...

They probably meant ultimatum as in lots of unnecessary gratuitous violence, something i agree with

I know doomsday is supposed to be a force of nature but this is too much and it definitely feels like gore porn to me, blood for the sake of it

#17 Posted by danhimself (21898 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormbox said:

@frogdog said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@danhimself said:

@noj said:

@danhimself: If I remember correctly didn't the Justice League try and fail to stop Doomsday in the original Death of Superman as well? Doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

yes but he's talking about Doomsday gouging out Aquaman's eyes, breaking Wonder Woman's arms, and breaking Flash's back

Also eviscerating Hal Jordan, feels like DC's version of Ultimatum

I doubt DC would keep these guys dead...

They probably meant ultimatum as in lots of unnecessary gratuitous violence, something i agree with

I know doomsday is supposed to be a force of nature but this is too much and it definitely feels like gore porn to me, blood for the sake of it

yes exactly I wouldn't have been surprised if they would have had Doomsday bite off the Atom's head

#18 Posted by ImagineMan16 (466 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually like Max Landis quite a lot, and this seems like a decent enough concept, I just don't think its something we need to happen.

#19 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27261 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually like Max Landis quite a lot, and this seems like a decent enough concept, I just don't think its something we need to happen.

Nothing "needs" to happen in comics

#20 Posted by ImagineMan16 (466 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Okay then, allow me to rephrase. I don't think its something that should happen in the current state of the DC universe for the overall benefit of the company at large.

Is that a satisfactory response?

#21 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (4477 posts) - - Show Bio

Max never hated Superman. He hated that every character and their mothers, has been given his powerset. And that, instead of coming up with better stories, they have him killed by Grey-World-Breaker-Hulk.

Also this version of DOS, was intended as an Elseworld, maybe another Earth maybe?

#22 Posted by GeoKnowsBest (34 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike Max Landis a GREAT deal but I'd probably read this

Same here.

#23 Posted by noj (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardiandevil83: No way the way he talks about it in the intro DC had approached him to tell it in the New 52. Theres no way DC wouldve wasted the time and money to launch a weekly series not related to anything. The way hes describing it in the video though would be his ideal version of the story where continuity was a non issue, thus why Superman didnt know anything about Braniac. Even then though the way he pitched it couldve worked in the New 52 continuity with only a few changes.

#24 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (4477 posts) - - Show Bio

@noj: Yea I see what you mean. It would probably be a good idea not to seriously maim their biggest selling chracters then. lol

#25 Edited by batmannflash (6109 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never really liked this guy. He's kinda weird and it always seems like he loves his ideas a little too much, to the point of arrogance. But, the story sounds good, aside from a few minor issues which could easily be fixed.

I would like to point out that this story is way too gory to the point of being unnecessary. Hal Jordan's intestines falling out?? Wally's back breaking? What?!? Gauging out Aquaman's eyes?

I also want to point out that I love how Batman isn't actually "fighting" Doomsday. He's in the Bat Cave coordinating the plans for the heroes and even adapting and changing into new plans. This is Batman. He's my favorite character but a lot of times they have him in combat against those that would break him in two, no matter what kind of tech he has. Against a foe like Doomsday, Batman would be doing more good as a tactician behind the scenes. (Well he does get on the field in this story but you know what I mean).

The reveal about Mon-El at the end made me wild. That part was awesome

EDIT: 20:50 is really funny haha

#26 Edited by SandMan_ (4526 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, the destruction he described sure does make him sound like a hypocrite for his stance on Man of Steel. I dont really like this guy, but he seemingly makes good points from to time.

Watched further, foot inserted in mouth. NVM.

Wow, really? Damn. I haven't seen the vid, but it seems to be very gory.

#27 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (4477 posts) - - Show Bio

What I liked is that the only reason so much death occurs, is because everyone is a new jack. These are not earth's greatest Hero's yet. And also, Superman is not there to restore order.

#28 Posted by TheFirstLantern (1371 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd read this as an else world story. A lot of gore but it sounds good. Maybe tone down the gore.

#29 Posted by The_Tree (6397 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd read the s### out of this story. It obviously needs some polishing, but it's a pitch, so that's understandable.

#30 Posted by entropy_aegis (13552 posts) - - Show Bio

No thank you,we dont need another Death of Superman with the exact same villain and premise. Be original or GTFO.

#31 Posted by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio

I laugh at all the people here thinking this would have been gore porn.

You have clearly never read The Walking Dead.

#32 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27261 posts) - - Show Bio

It annoys me when pepole keep saying "this would be good as an else world" so are just not aloud any change in continuity any more?

No thank you,we dont need another Death of Superman with the exact same villain and premise. Be original or GTFO.

Did you even watch the video? This is nothing like the original DoS.

#33 Posted by entropy_aegis (13552 posts) - - Show Bio

It annoys me when pepole keep saying "this would be good as an else world" so are just not aloud any change in continuity any more?

@entropy_aegis said:

No thank you,we dont need another Death of Superman with the exact same villain and premise. Be original or GTFO.

Did you even watch the video? This is nothing like the original DoS.

No I did not,I want my stories to be original. I'm not gonna pay for the same story every decade over and over again. Not this guy's fault to be fair but all the New-52 has been doing is taking classic stories from the freezer and reheating them.

#34 Posted by adhd_assassin (524 posts) - - Show Bio

figured dc'd do it at some point...