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#1 Edited by KomicKev (79 posts) - - Show Bio

In response to the other recent thread in comparing similarities between Marvel and DC characters, I thought an interesting counterpoint would be to come up with lists of characters or groups that seem more unique to each of the big two. I can think of a couple of teams right off the top of my head: Marvel's Alpha Flight and DC's Metal Men. Granted, there are some members of Alpha Flight that may have a counterpart in the DC universe, but the actual team dynamic, I can't think of any right now. What about Wolverine? Hulk (the original green guy)? Martian Manhunter? Surely there must be several more (and of course, feel free to negate anyone who I or someone else deems as "unique"!).

#2 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@KomicKev: Wolverine is not unique, he was a copy of Timber Wolf
#3 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Adnan said:
I know he's technically Wildstorm, but Jack Hawksmoor has one of the coolest and most unique powersets I've ever seen.
Well he's DC now and I agree
#4 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. The Question
  2. Spider-man
  3. Loki
  4. Dr Octopus
  5. Cloak and Dagger

I can't think in any other.

#5 Posted by sinestro_GL (3008 posts) - - Show Bio

THE FOURTH WORLD...nothing like it!

#6 Posted by Billy Batson (56933 posts) - - Show Bio

The rogues.
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#7 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool: I wouldn't say Loki is considering what he's based from
#8 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: no, he is unique with some very few similarities to timber wolf. its like saying gouda and gorgonzola are the same because they are cheeses. and by your logic, the copy should be lamer than the original which he isnt. timber wolf has appeared less in comics than jason todd. i'm guessing you're basing your original-copy theory on the fact that they had similar hair-dos, not really a point since a lot of characters share them, the 80-90s a lot of characters had wolverine's do and nobody said they were ripping of him, and the fact they have similar powers. maybe but marvel makes them more refined and adds a lot on them. in my opinnion they are both unique but wolverine is better. if it were like "we made this character with these powers now nobody can use these powers because we were the first so first served thing" there would not be a lot of characters out there.

#9 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@KainScion: None of what you just said is relevant and most of it is just your opinion that Wolverine is better.
#10 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

I wouldn't say Loki is considering what he's based from

Even when Loki is based in the mylological character with the same name, both characters are different, and he has not an equivalent in DC.

#11 Posted by cattlebattle (12275 posts) - - Show Bio
@spiderbat87 said:
@KomicKev: Wolverine is not unique, he was a copy of Timber Wolf
Common Misconception
 
Timber Wolf of the Legion of Super-Heroes and Wolverine have always been an interesting pair.

Timber Wolf, though created well before Wolverine, started to take on very Wolverine qualities in the early 80s as the X-man's popularity increased. He even got the same silly pointed haircut that Wolverine sports.

Then Wolverine for a few brief issues even adopted a Timber Wolf inspired costume. An outfit he removed from Marvel's analog of the Legion, the Imperial Gaurd's Fang - a Timber Wolf homage. Sharing the same artist, Cockrum, didn't help to seperate the two of them any either.

Then of course, Timber Wolf 'mutated' in to a feral state with claws, self-healing power, hightened senses and a feral nature. This was before Wolverine 'mutated' for a short time into a more animalistic state as well. Though it's doubtful that transformation was directly inspired on an editorial level by the changes in the longtime Legion member.

Rip-offs? No. But two characters that have had an interest influence on each other.
#12 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

@spiderbat87 said:

I wouldn't say Loki is considering what he's based from

Even when Loki is based in the mylological character with the same name, both characters are different, and he has not an equivalent in DC.

They may have differences but they are still very smiler, sex changes, magic, side swaps and has a character directly copied from another source material he's not unique at all. 
#13 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say Swamp Thing.

#14 Posted by Billy Batson (56933 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare said:

I would say Swamp Thing.

Well there's Man Thing but Swamp Thing did evolve beyond that.
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#15 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

@sethysquare said:

I would say Swamp Thing.

Well there's Man Thing but Swamp Thing did evolve beyond that.
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Touche

#16 Posted by Adnan (1037 posts) - - Show Bio
@Billy Batson said:

@sethysquare said:

I would say Swamp Thing.

Well there's Man Thing but Swamp Thing did evolve beyond that.
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They were both based off The Heap though, right?
#17 Posted by TheCannon (16077 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

  1. The Question
  2. Spider-man
  3. Loki
  4. Dr Octopus
  5. Cloak and Dagger

I can't think in any other.

I've always liked the Question.

#18 Edited by Monarch_Chronicle (873 posts) - - Show Bio

1. The Question

2. Ragman

3. Spider-Man

4. Daredevil

5. Mr. Freeze

6. Plastic Man

7. Batman

8. Mar-Vell

9. Fantomex

10. Ozymandias

#19 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7622 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

@KomicKev: Wolverine is not unique, he was a copy of Timber Wolf

two different characters

And he's unique considering most heroes half these cool powers, All Wolverine has is some claws.

#20 Posted by Nighthunter (28561 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

I've always liked the Question.

He is great

#22 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

They may have differences but they are still very smiler, sex changes, magic, side swaps and has a character directly copied from another source material he's not unique at all.

I never said that he was unique, I said that DC doesn't have an equivalent, and Marvel just took the name of the character, mylological Loki was just a shapeshifter that loves mischief, Marvel's Loki is not that "two-dimensional"...

#23 Posted by TheCannon (16077 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@TheCannon said:

I've always liked the Question.

He is great

I wish we could see more of him. The only thing I remember seeing him besides the comics in was Justice League Unlimited.

#24 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

@spiderbat87 said:

They may have differences but they are still very smiler, sex changes, magic, side swaps and has a character directly copied from another source material he's not unique at all.

I never said that he was unique, I said that DC doesn't have an equivalent, and Marvel just took the name of the character, mylological Loki was just a shapeshifter that loves mischief, Marvel's Loki is not that "two-dimensional"...

This whole thread is about naming unique characters. Myth Loki wasn't just that ether, he was Thors brother and a turncoat, he was the father of Fenrir and the cause of Ragnarok 
#25 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

I wish we could see more of him. The only thing I remember seeing him besides the comics in was Justice League Unlimited.

He also appears in Batman: Brave and the Bolt, but that is all.

He is a pretty unknown character.

#26 Posted by TheCannon (16077 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@TheCannon said:

I wish we could see more of him. The only thing I remember seeing him besides the comics in was Justice League Unlimited.

He also appears in Batman: Brave and the Bolt, but that is all.

He is a pretty unknown character.

I don't really watch the brave and the bold. Only when I'm bored. Is the episode with him any good?

#27 Posted by mervotron (257 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't think of too many characters like Storm...

#28 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

This whole thread is about naming unique characters.

I thought that this thread was about characters that one company own that the other doesn't have.

Myth Loki wasn't just that ether, he was Thors brother and a turncoat, he was the father of Fenrir and the cause of Ragnarok

Well, that is not true, in the Myths he was Odin's friend, his relation with other gods in unknown and he is not Thor's brother (but almost everybody in the mythology are Odin's sons and dauther), he is in the Myths the Anti-Odin, the one that would start the Ragnarok with his sons Fenrir, Jörmungand the midgard Serpent and his daughter Hela the mistress of Hel that he had with Angrboda, Loki with his family and the orther 8 kingdoms would attack the Aestir/The Gods in Asgard with Valhala's army.

#29 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

I don't really watch the brave and the bold. Only when I'm bored. Is the episode with him any good?

I don't watch it either, I know that because his article in Comic Vine mentions that fact.

#30 Posted by TheCannon (16077 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@TheCannon said:

I don't really watch the brave and the bold. Only when I'm bored. Is the episode with him any good?

I don't watch it either, I know that because his article in Comic Vine mentions that fact.

Okay. If I get some spare time, I'll watch it.

#31 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

@spiderbat87 said:

This whole thread is about naming unique characters.

I thought that this thread was about characters that one company own that the other doesn't have.

Myth Loki wasn't just that ether, he was Thors brother and a turncoat, he was the father of Fenrir and the cause of Ragnarok

Well, that is not true, in the Myths he was Odin's friend, his relation with other gods in unknown and he is not Thor's brother (but almost everybody in the mythology are Odin's sons and dauther), he is in the Myths the Anti-Odin, the one that would start the Ragnarok with his sons Fenrir, Jörmungand the midgard Serpent and his daughter Hela the mistress of Hel that he had with Angrboda, Loki with his family and the orther 8 kingdoms would attack the Aestir/The Gods in Asgard with Valhala's army.

Yes unique, DC has a Loki as well.  
 
So ether way he wasn't two dimensional   
#32 Posted by The Stegman (20766 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man, to me, is the most unique character in comics.

#33 Posted by joshmightbe (24101 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman was relatively unique when he first came out

#34 Posted by CODYSF (2047 posts) - - Show Bio
John Constantine to me is unique
#35 Posted by mervotron (257 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Rogue is pretty unique as well...

#36 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

Yes unique, DC has a Loki as well. So ether way he wasn't two dimensional

But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.

Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.

#37 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

@spiderbat87 said:

Yes unique, DC has a Loki as well. So ether way he wasn't two dimensional

But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.

Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.

Still doesn't make then unique 
#38 Posted by mervotron (257 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Poison Ivy is pretty unique as well...

#39 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

@Deadcool said:

But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.

Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.

Still doesn't make then unique

Yes they are, you are unique not because your name, you are unique because your relations with other people, those people have no replacemets for you.

They are portrayed different in both universes, both characters have differenr feats and different realations with the other characters.

#40 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27379 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

@spiderbat87 said:

@Deadcool said:

But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.

Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.

Still doesn't make then unique

Yes they are, you are unique not because your name, you are unique because your relations with other people, those people have no replacemets for you.

They are portrayed different in both universes, both characters have differenr feats and different realations with the other characters.

That makes every single character from both publishers unique and totally defeats the purpose of this thread
#41 Posted by PowerHerc (78172 posts) - - Show Bio

Though he looks slightly similar to Kallark, OMAC (Jack Kirby's original version) was quite unique and has no reasonable Marvel counterpart.

#42 Posted by RedOwl_1 (1664 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil (How many blind lawyers superheroes there are in comics?)

#43 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

That makes every single character from both publishers unique and totally defeats the purpose of this thread

...That would deepend, which character has the same "spot" in both universes, Marvel's equivalent to DC's Trinity are the Avengers prime, both are the mosr popular characters of both companies, but each character is also unique, DC's equivalent to the Captain America is Deathstroke, but Slade is a villain... Maybe I am overthinking this time... ignore this part.

#44 Posted by Monarch_Chronicle (873 posts) - - Show Bio

@CODYSF said:

John Constantine to me is unique

Is he DC now?

#45 Posted by Monarch_Chronicle (873 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@spiderbat87 said:

@Deadcool said:

But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.

Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.

Still doesn't make then unique

Yes they are, you are unique not because your name, you are unique because your relations with other people, those people have no replacemets for you.

They are portrayed different in both universes, both characters have differenr feats and different realations with the other characters.

I dont know if i agree, mostly with the last part ( i am in mutual with the name thing)

to me DIfferent does not = Unique

just because they have differnet relations (than their counter part) does not mean the have Unique ones

#46 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@Monarch_Chronicle said:

I dont know if i agree, mostly with the last part ( i am in mutual with the name thing)

to me DIfferent does not = Unique

just because they have differnet relations (than their counter part) does not mean the have Unique ones

...Well, in my opinion those relations are part of the character, for example: Why is Loki a villain and what has done in the Marvel Universe?

Loki wants to prove that he is better than Thor, he wants to stand in the highest point of all the creation just because that, but he doesn't want to kill Thor, because his love to his "brother", his actions created the Avengers and more relevant events in the Marvel Universe, so that makes him unique, and what do you think?

#47 Posted by Monarch_Chronicle (873 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@Monarch_Chronicle said:

I dont know if i agree, mostly with the last part ( i am in mutual with the name thing)

to me DIfferent does not = Unique

just because they have differnet relations (than their counter part) does not mean the have Unique ones

...Well, in my opinion those relations are part of the character, for example: Why is Loki a villain and what has done in the Marvel Universe?

Loki wants to prove that he is better than Thor, he wants to stand in the highest point of all the creation just because that, but he doesn't want to kill Thor, because his love to his "brother", his actions created the Avengers and more relevant events in the Marvel Universe, so that makes him unique, and what do you think?

I agree with the first bit about relations being apart of the character but again having different relations( than your counter part) does not equal Unique ones

What about a brother/ father complex is unique in comics? i would say loki is actually pretty generic but i guess that comes down to how each person defines being Unique.

For Example( not sure if you say my of the top of my head 10 unique characters list already but i will chose #2 Ragman)

Ragman is an unique character because he literally rehiblitates the souls he saves as apart of his power, not many other heroes can boost that. He breaks the common comic book circle of Crime>Battle>arrest>jail>escape by actually helping to reform the bad guys.

#48 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@Monarch_Chronicle said:

I agree with the first bit about relations being apart of the character but again having different relations( than your counter part) does not equal Unique ones

...I see.

What about a brother/ father complex is unique in comics? i would say loki is actually pretty generic but i guess that comes down to how each person defines being Unique.

Well, Loki is a character that can be a good guy and a bad guy, a gray character.

For Example( not sure if you say my of the top of my head 10 unique characters list already but i will chose #2 Ragman) Ragman is an unique character because he literally rehiblitates the souls he saves as apart of his power, not many other heroes can boost that. He breaks the common comic book circle of Crime>Battle>arrest>jail>escape by actually helping to reform the bad guys.

That is indeed unique.

#49 Edited by Monarch_Chronicle (873 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@Monarch_Chronicle said:

I agree with the first bit about relations being apart of the character but again having different relations( than your counter part) does not equal Unique ones

...I see.

What about a brother/ father complex is unique in comics? i would say loki is actually pretty generic but i guess that comes down to how each person defines being Unique.

Well, Loki is a character that can be a good guy and a bad guy, a gray character.

For Example( not sure if you say my of the top of my head 10 unique characters list already but i will chose #2 Ragman) Ragman is an unique character because he literally rehiblitates the souls he saves as apart of his power, not many other heroes can boost that. He breaks the common comic book circle of Crime>Battle>arrest>jail>escape by actually helping to reform the bad guys.

That is indeed unique.

I guess i just dont define being a "gray" character as unique in comics mostly cause i can name about ten who just had as they put it "one bad day"

#50 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Though he looks slightly similar to Kallark, OMAC (Jack Kirby's original version) was quite unique and has no reasonable Marvel counterpart.