In response to the other recent thread in comparing similarities between Marvel and DC characters, I thought an interesting counterpoint would be to come up with lists of characters or groups that seem more unique to each of the big two. I can think of a couple of teams right off the top of my head: Marvel's Alpha Flight and DC's Metal Men. Granted, there are some members of Alpha Flight that may have a counterpart in the DC universe, but the actual team dynamic, I can't think of any right now. What about Wolverine? Hulk (the original green guy)? Martian Manhunter? Surely there must be several more (and of course, feel free to negate anyone who I or someone else deems as "unique"!).
@spiderbat87: no, he is unique with some very few similarities to timber wolf. its like saying gouda and gorgonzola are the same because they are cheeses. and by your logic, the copy should be lamer than the original which he isnt. timber wolf has appeared less in comics than jason todd. i'm guessing you're basing your original-copy theory on the fact that they had similar hair-dos, not really a point since a lot of characters share them, the 80-90s a lot of characters had wolverine's do and nobody said they were ripping of him, and the fact they have similar powers. maybe but marvel makes them more refined and adds a lot on them. in my opinnion they are both unique but wolverine is better. if it were like "we made this character with these powers now nobody can use these powers because we were the first so first served thing" there would not be a lot of characters out there.
@KomicKev: Wolverine is not unique, he was a copy of Timber Wolf
Common Misconception
Timber Wolf of the Legion of Super-Heroes and Wolverine have always been an interesting pair.
Timber Wolf, though created well before Wolverine, started to take on very Wolverine qualities in the early 80s as the X-man's popularity increased. He even got the same silly pointed haircut that Wolverine sports.
Then Wolverine for a few brief issues even adopted a Timber Wolf inspired costume. An outfit he removed from Marvel's analog of the Legion, the Imperial Gaurd's Fang - a Timber Wolf homage. Sharing the same artist, Cockrum, didn't help to seperate the two of them any either.
Then of course, Timber Wolf 'mutated' in to a feral state with claws, self-healing power, hightened senses and a feral nature. This was before Wolverine 'mutated' for a short time into a more animalistic state as well. Though it's doubtful that transformation was directly inspired on an editorial level by the changes in the longtime Legion member.
Rip-offs? No. But two characters that have had an interest influence on each other.
I wouldn't say Loki is considering what he's based from
Even when Loki is based in the mylological character with the same name, both characters are different, and he has not an equivalent in DC.
They may have differences but they are still very smiler, sex changes, magic, side swaps and has a character directly copied from another source material he's not unique at all.
They may have differences but they are still very smiler, sex changes, magic, side swaps and has a character directly copied from another source material he's not unique at all.
I never said that he was unique, I said that DC doesn't have an equivalent, and Marvel just took the name of the character, mylological Loki was just a shapeshifter that loves mischief, Marvel's Loki is not that "two-dimensional"...
They may have differences but they are still very smiler, sex changes, magic, side swaps and has a character directly copied from another source material he's not unique at all.
I never said that he was unique, I said that DC doesn't have an equivalent, and Marvel just took the name of the character, mylological Loki was just a shapeshifter that loves mischief, Marvel's Loki is not that "two-dimensional"...
This whole thread is about naming unique characters. Myth Loki wasn't just that ether, he was Thors brother and a turncoat, he was the father of Fenrir and the cause of Ragnarok
This whole thread is about naming unique characters.
I thought that this thread was about characters that one company own that the other doesn't have.
Myth Loki wasn't just that ether, he was Thors brother and a turncoat, he was the father of Fenrir and the cause of Ragnarok
Well, that is not true, in the Myths he was Odin's friend, his relation with other gods in unknown and he is not Thor's brother (but almost everybody in the mythology are Odin's sons and dauther), he is in the Myths the Anti-Odin, the one that would start the Ragnarok with his sons Fenrir, Jörmungand the midgard Serpent and his daughter Hela the mistress of Hel that he had with Angrboda, Loki with his family and the orther 8 kingdoms would attack the Aestir/The Gods in Asgard with Valhala's army.
This whole thread is about naming unique characters.
I thought that this thread was about characters that one company own that the other doesn't have.
Myth Loki wasn't just that ether, he was Thors brother and a turncoat, he was the father of Fenrir and the cause of Ragnarok
Well, that is not true, in the Myths he was Odin's friend, his relation with other gods in unknown and he is not Thor's brother (but almost everybody in the mythology are Odin's sons and dauther), he is in the Myths the Anti-Odin, the one that would start the Ragnarok with his sons Fenrir, Jörmungand the midgard Serpent and his daughter Hela the mistress of Hel that he had with Angrboda, Loki with his family and the orther 8 kingdoms would attack the Aestir/The Gods in Asgard with Valhala's army.
Yes unique, DC has a Loki as well. So ether way he wasn't two dimensional
But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.
Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.
Yes unique, DC has a Loki as well. So ether way he wasn't two dimensional
But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.
Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.
But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.
Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.
Still doesn't make then unique
Yes they are, you are unique not because your name, you are unique because your relations with other people, those people have no replacemets for you.
They are portrayed different in both universes, both characters have differenr feats and different realations with the other characters.
But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.
Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.
Still doesn't make then unique
Yes they are, you are unique not because your name, you are unique because your relations with other people, those people have no replacemets for you.
They are portrayed different in both universes, both characters have differenr feats and different realations with the other characters.
That makes every single character from both publishers unique and totally defeats the purpose of this thread
That makes every single character from both publishers unique and totally defeats the purpose of this thread
...That would deepend, which character has the same "spot" in both universes, Marvel's equivalent to DC's Trinity are the Avengers prime, both are the mosr popular characters of both companies, but each character is also unique, DC's equivalent to the Captain America is Deathstroke, but Slade is a villain... Maybe I am overthinking this time... ignore this part.
But he is not his "equivalent", he has not the same importance in DC the Marvel's Loki.
Like DC's Ares and Marvel's Ares, both have the same name but both are different characters, they don't share any other characteristic and both are not equivalent in their universes.
Still doesn't make then unique
Yes they are, you are unique not because your name, you are unique because your relations with other people, those people have no replacemets for you.
They are portrayed different in both universes, both characters have differenr feats and different realations with the other characters.
I dont know if i agree, mostly with the last part ( i am in mutual with the name thing)
to me DIfferent does not = Unique
just because they have differnet relations (than their counter part) does not mean the have Unique ones
I dont know if i agree, mostly with the last part ( i am in mutual with the name thing)
to me DIfferent does not = Unique
just because they have differnet relations (than their counter part) does not mean the have Unique ones
...Well, in my opinion those relations are part of the character, for example: Why is Loki a villain and what has done in the Marvel Universe?
Loki wants to prove that he is better than Thor, he wants to stand in the highest point of all the creation just because that, but he doesn't want to kill Thor, because his love to his "brother", his actions created the Avengers and more relevant events in the Marvel Universe, so that makes him unique, and what do you think?
I dont know if i agree, mostly with the last part ( i am in mutual with the name thing)
to me DIfferent does not = Unique
just because they have differnet relations (than their counter part) does not mean the have Unique ones
...Well, in my opinion those relations are part of the character, for example: Why is Loki a villain and what has done in the Marvel Universe?
Loki wants to prove that he is better than Thor, he wants to stand in the highest point of all the creation just because that, but he doesn't want to kill Thor, because his love to his "brother", his actions created the Avengers and more relevant events in the Marvel Universe, so that makes him unique, and what do you think?
I agree with the first bit about relations being apart of the character but again having different relations( than your counter part) does not equal Unique ones
What about a brother/ father complex is unique in comics? i would say loki is actually pretty generic but i guess that comes down to how each person defines being Unique.
For Example( not sure if you say my of the top of my head 10 unique characters list already but i will chose #2 Ragman)
Ragman is an unique character because he literally rehiblitates the souls he saves as apart of his power, not many other heroes can boost that. He breaks the common comic book circle of Crime>Battle>arrest>jail>escape by actually helping to reform the bad guys.
I agree with the first bit about relations being apart of the character but again having different relations( than your counter part) does not equal Unique ones
...I see.
What about a brother/ father complex is unique in comics? i would say loki is actually pretty generic but i guess that comes down to how each person defines being Unique.
Well, Loki is a character that can be a good guy and a bad guy, a gray character.
For Example( not sure if you say my of the top of my head 10 unique characters list already but i will chose #2 Ragman) Ragman is an unique character because he literally rehiblitates the souls he saves as apart of his power, not many other heroes can boost that. He breaks the common comic book circle of Crime>Battle>arrest>jail>escape by actually helping to reform the bad guys.
I agree with the first bit about relations being apart of the character but again having different relations( than your counter part) does not equal Unique ones
...I see.
What about a brother/ father complex is unique in comics? i would say loki is actually pretty generic but i guess that comes down to how each person defines being Unique.
Well, Loki is a character that can be a good guy and a bad guy, a gray character.
For Example( not sure if you say my of the top of my head 10 unique characters list already but i will chose #2 Ragman) Ragman is an unique character because he literally rehiblitates the souls he saves as apart of his power, not many other heroes can boost that. He breaks the common comic book circle of Crime>Battle>arrest>jail>escape by actually helping to reform the bad guys.
That is indeed unique.
I guess i just dont define being a "gray" character as unique in comics mostly cause i can name about ten who just had as they put it "one bad day"
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