@bullpr said:
@husk said:
@bullpr:
what do kids have to do with it, its rated PG13, I would never allow my kid to see it until I saw it first, when they grow up and in high school, sure no worries, im sure they can grasp everything thats going on. but certainly never my 11 year old. (until I watch and approve the movie first)
its the best Superman movie we have, finally we get to see superman as the superman we see in the comics, or at least the superman I grew up on. (I'll attack the biggest argument I usually see.) Superman kills people, all the time, its good to see him actually do it the way Superman does it, WHen I see Batman kill someone, I expect it to be a mistake, I expect batman to accidentlally make a mistake and fail to save someone. When I see Superman kill someone, I expect him to kill like he does in the comics, because he has no other choice. plus He killed Zod in 1988 so its nice to see them draw from a specific incident. Its that awful Lois and Clark tv show that pushed the no-kill code, and then that horrible Smallville show forced them to retcon everything that didn't adhere to the Smallville plotline. I see MOS finally undoing the damage.
plus it does exactly what a superman movie should do, inspire. he mkes you want to fly, as well he inspires you to try and be a better person. sure when he is still clark Kent, loner, finding himself, he doesn't exactly inspire yet. though they setup early that he is willing to put himself at risk for being a labrat, and is unwilling to watch people die. but he isn't supposed to inspire anyone as a kid. he's a kid, an awkward teenager (or young adult) who is still working out how the world works, working out how much can he help people without it being too much.
Having a possible planetwide apocalyspe occur with a villain that can readily hold there own against someone as powerful as superman, and the Hero managing to save everylife on the planet, and undo the damage that was inflicted. Set Suspension of disbelief to max, and it will still be so disbelivable enough to pull me right out of the movie. might as well have Superman fly backwards around the planet to rewind time and start from the beginning again... ;)
Best Superman Movie ever
plus. my number two CBM (cap2 overtook)
You are confusing PG-13 and Rated R.
For the rest of your post, almost none of it is addressing the points I raised. However, because I read it now, just a small comment: you wrote: "(the movie) does exactly what a superman movie should do, inspire"
Seriously?
Well for my part I was disgusted.
(And I'm not speaking about the saving the world part. Everybody wants to save the world. No, look again at the more realistic part of the movie, a "superman" movie (I know, strange combination of words, but I guess you will see what I mean):
-Reaction in front of a Drunk Guy (hey, let's destroy its day job behind its back)
-Do I save or not a bus school full of children? (I guess not, it's much better to push my self interest above that trying to protect my secret identity)
Do I save my father? (I guess not, it's much better etc...)
Etc...
For the part of Superman killing Zod, well it's associated with its own internal debate.)
Anyway, you were inspired by this version of Superman. Good for you.
You are definitely confusing PG-13 with G. PG 13 can be a pretty tame movie that I wouldn't bat an eye letting children see, or it can be outright inappropriate, According to the rating system PG13 can contain nudity sexual themes strong language Drug use, and moderate to extreme violence (while too much violent screentime or tooo intense violence would push it to R)
so PG13 is for teenagers (thus thirTEEN) not necessarily appropriate for children, like my ten year old Neice.
here are examples of PG13 movies that I would never let her see, Barabrella is one very long Sex rump. It is PG13. There is an outright ORgy in Barry Lyndon. The Women in Red has full frontal nudity. The Lone Ranger (just came out not long ago) as a very vivid graphic mutilation scene where the guy carves out anothers heart (yeah my 12 year old better not be watching this scene). The Dark Knight is merely PG13, the themes of the film are much to Dark and Graphic...Id probably let them watch it at 11 or 12, maybe. certainly not 8 or 9. others include World War Z, The Grudge and a Sleugh of movies dealing with inappropriate topics like Cannibalism and Rape . yeah most PG13 movies are fine for my kids. but Movies like Man of Steel, Airplane, or The Grudge mean I watch the PG13 movie before letting children with ice cream watch it.
my major issue with the postwas the complaint that a movie seems inappropriate for an age group that it clearly says on every poster, it is not necessarily appropriate for.
my other major issue is that it was suggested that it is not a good Superman movie, This I devled into very thouroughly and even answered most of your bullet points, if you can't be bothered to read my rebuttal, don't respond to it.
-destroying a sexual deviant and all around jerks replacable truck...yeah first, I state that he isn't yet Superman, his symbolism isn't yet established, and just like the Golden Age Superman comics, as well as New52 opening arc, Superman starts out as a 20 something hot head, brash and bumbling. unsure of his own path, quick to resolve a situation, even if its the wrong way. the only times this ISN"T superman is the era between the Lois and Clark tv show, and the Smallville TV show.. thank god that whole abomination has been retconned.
-letting a bus of children die, and letting my father die... really the same argument, I only barely referenced. first, HE ISN"T SUPERMAN YET. He's little Clark Kent. this is actually the secondary plot of the ENTIRE MOVIE. one can't legitimately say they watched a movie without understanding such a ubiquitous plot as this. This is the Internal Conflict that Clark has throughout his time as a loner, and the very beginning of him as Superman. He is arguing with his dad, it was the RIGHT thing to do to save that bus of children, but it wasn't the perfect answer, If he ends up on a Lab Slab at 12, all the amazing things he is capable of doing in his life, wouldn't happen... BUT (as he internalizes) it doesn't change the fact that it WAS the right thing to do, he can take the hits other people can't. He deals with this when his father dies, he has "father knows best" psychosis. but if I don't He will die, his father knows he will die, and is willing to DIE just to protect his son. (his father even states there will be a time that Clark can come out of the Superhero phonebooth, WHEN he is ready) so the rest of the film he is finding himself, he is trying to reconcile the two halves, the half that knows he was right to save those kids, he was right to put himself in danger (as he continues to do) and the half that knows his father was right, that if he is caught now, the world of good he can do later, won't happen. this internal Struggle is Textbook Filmography, you can learn about it in Film 101 in college.
and finally HE ISN"T SUPERMAN YET. despite the fact that this would be perfectly exceptable plot for a golden age film they make it very finite in the movie, He has two personnas and Superman is the personna he dons when he finds his outfit. until then, he is either the man with no name, or Clark Kent.
and Zod...again I reiterate, superman kills a lot, and killed Zod in 1988. this is nothing new.
re watch russel crowes "better Way" speach.
if you don't actually read my post this time, don't respond.
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